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Re: Intuition is NOT truth. [Re: EternalCowabunga]
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EternalCowabunga said:
I agree with you that most Christians are like that, and most people in general. I do believe however there are people who are on a genuinely mystical path, and who are always growing in their hearts and minds. These people are in alignment with some kind of Truth, I would imagine.


Sure, I believe as you here. Those folk tell you their story but don't insist that you take it as truth or that your truth is not as valid. Those Gnostic Christians are fine folk and I don't have a problem with it. In fact I believe our core values are the same.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Intuition is NOT truth. [Re: Icelander]
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Buddhism has no concept of sin, but acknowledges that you are the owner of your actions.

EternalCowabunga: There are many perceptions of truth, which are all true relative to the perceiver. Because perception is subject to change, these truths, too, are subject to change and prone to affliction. However, there is such a thing as an ultimate truth. For example, all things are transient. That is true in all moments, and in all things. It is also true to understand that when we resist that fact (all is changing) we create a desire to hold on to something. Whether it be desire to hold on to our youth, hair, food, wealth, intelligence, resources, etc.... This is what is called craving. Craving leads to clinging. As there is nothing to actually hold on to, when whatever we have clung to disappears, dissatisfaction arises.

These truths can be seen here and now, and pervade in all moments.


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As the life of a candle,
my wick will burn out.
But, the fire of my mind
shall beam into infinite.

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Re: Intuition is NOT truth. [Re: psyka]
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Good post, I agree


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Re: Intuition is NOT truth. [Re: psyka]
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The truth is uncompromising.
The truth will not bend.
The truth will endure.

It will never fall away, and I can guarantee that if you don't cling to it with everything you have you will be swept away.

Just wandering and wondering without the knowledge of God's purpose.

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Re: Intuition is NOT truth. [Re: palmersc]
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This should like a such shitty threat. That's exactly why people become Christians in the first place, because they're afraid of having their little world shattered and then they fuck up with other people's minds.
Comments like these have NOTHING to do with philosophy! :sad:


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Intuition is NOT truth. [Re: MushroomTrip]
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It's very difficult to know if we are really understanding each other when we make these posts. In my most awake times of life, it seemed like I was learning so many truths and then they'd become irrelevant by the end of the week and then I would realize the truths of the next week, or the next day, and it would just keep unfolding like that and it got to be very intense.

However, all the while this was happening I was aware of some kind of grounding which I was receiving these things from.. maybe it was intuition, maybe my mind was just very open, but it seemed like there was a source I was connected to which I now lack that connection. Now I mostly get by with my intellect and my reason but things are less psychedelic.. that's alright though, I guess things are "easier" this way.


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Re: Intuition is NOT truth. [Re: EternalCowabunga]
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It's not really that difficult.
We all communicate on many layers in the same time and how much we understand is dependent on how aware we are at the given moment.
However, Icelander said here something interesting about being able to being able where this Christian mentality comes from.
It's not that hard. We all experienced moments when we behaved in a certain way and when we see it others and resembling so much to what we've been through, we are able to detect where these people are coming from. Which is fear.

Regarding intuition, I am not really sure that it holds any valid truth. This can easily explain why my intuition, with your intuition and someone else's intuition, when compared, never resemble and confusion, fights and wars arise. :lol:


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Intuition is NOT truth. [Re: MushroomTrip]
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I always thought wars and confusion came from NOT being connected to your intuition. Am I mistaken?

I'd like to point out that intuition does not mean relying on your personal beliefs - the definition of intuition: direct perception of truth, fact, etc., independent of any reasoning process; immediate apprehension.

edit: explain to me what the Christian mentality is - there are many kinds of Christianity and none of the Christians i know hold any fundamentalist beliefs. i live in a very secular part of canada though so that could explain it :smile:


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Edited by EternalCowabunga (10/19/07 05:34 PM)

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Re: Intuition is NOT truth. [Re: EternalCowabunga]
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Yes I understood what you meant. But in my opinion we can't live without reasoning. Intuition turns into ambiguity and new age crap when we try to make it something commonly used. Maybe it's because it's something unique which doesn't serve a social purpose or maybe it's only because it's just an illusion. People who feel a momentarily connection and then lose it but they don't want to admit. And then they try to hold on to that feeling which is highly addictive and pass it to many others up to the point where nobody knows what they are saying.


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Intuition is NOT truth. [Re: EternalCowabunga]
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Yeah man, I can relate to the intensity of the unfolding of truth. Ask me a 6 months ago what I would think about Jesus and you would find me in agreeance with most here. My old posts scare me now.

I'm not the type who is interested in a comfortable numb existence. People I know closely are very alienated by my change of heart.

I'll say that the unfolding does lead somewhere. God is not going to leave us stranded in confusion unless we like it that way. You will know once you find the truth, and maybe I'm here to steer somebody in the right direction. There were some people along my path which served as messengers. And I met many people who were coming to grips with the same things as me along the way.

I hear I don't have much tact.

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Re: Intuition is NOT truth. [Re: MushroomTrip]
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MushroomTrip said:
Yes I understood what you meant. But in my opinion we can't live without reasoning. Intuition turns into ambiguity and new age crap when we try to make it something commonly used. Maybe it's because it's something unique which doesn't serve a social purpose or maybe it's only because it's just an illusion. People who feel a momentarily connection and then lose it but they don't want to admit. And then they try to hold on to that feeling which is highly addictive and pass it to many others up to the point where nobody knows what they are saying.


True enough. This is a good description of the messianic complex, which I guess is very well represented in the Christian fundamentalist mindset, from what I've heard. It's very disturbing to think that a whole subset of people are afflicted with this mindset in the U.S.

Would you be able to tell if someone was sharing their connected feeling out of love rather than fear though? Or are you of the belief that those who know don't speak. I guess what I mean is, can someone ever be justified in having a messianic mindset?


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Re: Intuition is NOT truth. [Re: palmersc]
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Then leave us alone please with your truth  :shitstorm:


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Intuition is NOT truth. [Re: EternalCowabunga]
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EternalCowabunga said:
True enough. This is a good description of the messianic complex, which I guess is very well represented in the Christian fundamentalist mindset, from what I've heard. It's very disturbing to think that a whole subset of people are afflicted with this mindset in the U.S.

Would you be able to tell if someone was sharing their connected feeling out of love rather than fear though? Or are you of the belief that those who know don't speak.


I think I would be able to tell, but with the distinction of realizing that it would only be from my own perspective. While it could work perfectly fine for me and show all the signs of being valid, I would take to consideration that for somebody else it could be entirely different and still true...
Of course, these are cases where one can logically explain where one is coming from, and this has nothing to do with intuition.


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Intuition is NOT truth. [Re: MushroomTrip]
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Ya, I see what you mean.

When people come on this board and talk about connection and loving everyone, it doesn't come across very well because that supposed connection has to be interpreted through the ego, unless one chose to feel the truth of those words and accepted it. As you said, it would come from your own perspective.

You could also look at the logical reason behind WHY they are saying that and simply come to an intellectual conclusion.


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Re: Intuition is NOT truth. [Re: EternalCowabunga]
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I was on the ego dissolving bandwagon at one time. Trying to get rid of it or transcend it.

Trying to get rid of "me" to see the truth more clearly. What happened was I lost all sense of identity and became very confused.

I could not trust anybody. My family, my friends. "The CIA was after me." I was isolated and didn't know who I was anymore.

Then I realized I had to just be the man God created me to be. I didn't have to make up my place in existence. I had already been given a unique one.

This sums up where I am coming from:

1Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God—this is your spiritual[a] act of worship. 2Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.

3For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the measure of faith God has given you. 4Just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, 5so in Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others. 6We have different gifts, according to the grace given us. If a man's gift is prophesying, let him use it in proportion to hisfaith. 7If it is serving, let him serve; if it is teaching, let him teach; 8if it is encouraging, let him encourage; if it is contributing to the needs of others, let him give generously; if it is leadership, let him govern diligently; if it is showing mercy, let him do it cheerfully.

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Re: Intuition is NOT truth. [Re: EternalCowabunga]
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EternalCowabunga said:
When people come on this board and talk about connection and loving everyone, it doesn't come across very well because that supposed connection has to be interpreted through the ego, unless one chose to feel the truth of those words and accepted it. As you said, it would come from your own perspective.


Love and connection cannot be evidenced in words, even though words can be a (limited) conduit for love and connection. Being that is shared cannot be substantiated, but it is known when it is experienced. :smile:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Intuition is NOT truth. [Re: EternalCowabunga]
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I see the reason behind this, and this is exactly what we are commenting upon. What's the cause of all this, what effects it has on how we think and the decisions we make and what can be done to avoid confusion and improve our communication skills.


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Intuition is NOT truth. [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Some here are claiming that their intuition tells them what the truth is and so they do not need fact or proof for their beliefs to be true.


I (for myself) consider intuition" as a "probationary truth"....
Make a mental note when it happens, and investigate for soundness when I can....


Icelander said:
Trust yourself, believe whatever you want, and remember that it's just your personal belief and has nothing to do with "truth" for anyone but you. (as far as you know or can prove) This is honesty and humility. Wonderful and rare traits in humanity. IMO it's good to cultivate them.


This is pretty much how I try to live with my truths....
No one gets shut out or cut off, and no one's toes get stepped on, and I don't allow mine to be stepped on....

It all has to do with how the "truth" is presented....
There is aggressiveness, and posh-ness....

Also it is a good reminder that this forum is to discuss those personal truths with other people....
If you are posh here, you get no responses.... 
If you are aggressive, your ideas will be met with passionate opposition....
It seems to be the general nature of this board....  (no, I am not complaining - just noticing)

I didn't read thru this thread yet, so someone prolly~ already said all of this....!  :tongue:


>^;;^<


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I'll be your midnight French Fry....  :naughty:

"The most important things in life that are often ignored, are the things that one cannot see...."
>^;;^<

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Re: Intuition is NOT truth. [Re: palmersc]
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and maybe I'm here to steer somebody in the right direction.

How completely arrogant. Just like a politician who "knows" what's good for everybody else.

I cannot convey in adequate words how repulsive I find this kind of attitude.:thumbdown: It is the very thing that brings humanity down and creates conflict and war.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Intuition is NOT truth. [Re: Icelander]
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Quote:
I cannot convey in adequate words how repulsive I find this kind of attitude.


Would you like some help? I could give you the correct words to say.


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