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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Do Molecules Have Feelings? [Re: Ravus]
    #4234709 - 05/29/05 11:38 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Feelings are the chemical reactions?

like the sun is not the vitamins, but makes us make vitamins?


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Re: Do Molecules Have Feelings? [Re: Ravus]
    #4234715 - 05/29/05 11:42 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

The evidence is the same as the evidence that a man who is walking and talking is alive. The brain is an organ made of fat and other tissues. The mind is the collective sum of your nervous system and the brain as they work together to form consciousness.

Honestly, what is a brain? I think you're giving it far, far too much praise, but that's natural as it appears your brain has convinced itself that it is super important. It's little more than a linking organ- without your body, your brain is just some blob. Without input, it is worthless. Is the engine in a car more important than the wheels? Yes, engines are nifty, but they serve one purpose- turning the wheels.


You're trying to systematically describe the Universe as it pertains to human existence- I suspect you're trying to bridge the gap between subjective and objective. However, for something to be a system, it has to have a flaw. Look to reality for your answer, not synthetic conceptual abstractions.

What is the purpose of your questions? Molecules are just a way to describe reality. I stress the "a." Molecules describe mass- can you completely describe a brain in terms of its physical state? You say yes; I say no. Why? Because I see such a description as impossible- akin to drawing a tree by drawing all of its cells. Reality is not close friends with theory.


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Re: Do Molecules Have Feelings? [Re: vampirism]
    #4234744 - 05/29/05 11:53 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

without your body, your brain is just some blob.

Now you have done it! You hurt my brain's feelings and it scampered under the bed. I must try to coax it out. And don't get me started on the cleaning! Oh, the cleaning! Ever try to get dust off a gelatinous ovoid of fat without doing damage?

Now, my whole night is shot.


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Re: Do Molecules Have Feelings? [Re: Swami]
    #4234763 - 05/30/05 12:01 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

In arguing one should meet serious pleading with humor, and humor with serious pleading.
-Gorgias


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Re: Do Molecules Have Feelings? [Re: Ravus]
    #4235412 - 05/30/05 03:45 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I hurt the molecules feelings :frown:


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Re: Do Molecules Have Feelings? [Re: Shroomism]
    #4235779 - 05/30/05 06:04 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Molecules have feelings in the sense that they feel "happier" in certain configurations.
No, seriously though I think about this thought of how consciousness is formed through a complex network of non-conscious molecules. Such an odd coincidence that us humans have consciousness to the point of self-awareness and the ability to realize who we are and what role we play in the universe. I whole idea that a complex structure of molecules can posses self-awareness is the strangest thing I can think of.


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Re: Do Molecules Have Feelings? [Re: nitroguy]
    #4270710 - 06/08/05 05:38 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Do you believe the human mind is absolute? We are relying completely upon the neural pathways in our brains to tell us what's real and what's not, so how can you assume that simply because something exists in our neural pathways it's real?

After all, humans don't know it's a dream when they're sleeping. When you're dreaming, you believe it's real until you wake up. But how do you know that the dream isn't real while you're dreaming?





I dont see the point of trying to distinguish reality from fantasy when you yourself should be plenty able to do that. Maybe you shroomed one time too many I dont know, I think it will be funny once we finish the human brain simulating super computer in a decade thats gonna sit around and wonder what reality is and thinks it has some special "conciousness" or "soul" or whatever rediculas terms like that you like to use.

And your comment about dreaming, dont press your response to dreams and assume everyone is the same. Personally, a little over half the dreams I remember have been lucid dreams, that while dreaming, I realize im in a dream, and simply because YOU dont have the ability to distinguish fantasy from reality, doesnt mean EVERYONE cant, and therefor even though you may be in some sort of rediculas confusion of what is real and what is not, theres those of us that are not.

Now stop telling me what im thinking and how I react and what I do (when I dream for example). You dont have any "special knowledge" that the rest of us (or if it is "special", some of us still) have, though you may be lacking alot of necessary information about REALITY to determine what reality really is.


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