Hindsight said:

Some pic updates:


Mystery SA still slowly coming along. Definitely not as vigorous as all the other pans I've grown. It will be interesting to see what my HWFP-supplemented, non-cased tray does. It is in the tent now at 100% colonization. Pics to follow:


The accidental bispo tray progress (coir-only). Top half looking like maybe 1-2 more days to maturity. This was the tray I was testing two different casing recipes with. There is a clear preference for one recipe.

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Baba Yaga said:

The aerial mycelium on the mystery tray is looking like "micro antlers" . That's wild.

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I have noticed something interesting with aerial mycelium and casing overlay. In tub grows, people often say aerial mycelium means you need more FAE. Obviously tents provide more FAE than any mushroom could ever need - like mine is completely replacing the air in the tent twice every 14 minutes. So FAE is maxed out. Yet I have noticed conclusively that if my conditions in the tent are extremely damp, I will always get aerial mycelium. If they are too dry, I will have issues fruiting due to substrate/casing drying out and/or fruits burning. So it seems it isn't lack of FAE that causes aerial mycelium, but is actually very high humidity. It makes sense if you think about it - the mycelium probably thinks it is still underground because it's so damp.

What I can't say for sure is how good or bad all this aerial mycelium is. It can't be harmful for the mycelium - it's getting all the FAE it needs and all the moisture it needs, but I do wonder if it inhibits fruiting. Maybe it doesn't matter. My gut tells me it is best to avoid it - to dial in the cycles so you might see just a touch of it but not covering the entire surface like these two trays of BVI I put into the tent a couple days ago under very damp cycles:



I adjusted my tent cycles to be a lot more damp than normal in order to try to make both my pans and my Zaps happy, but it doesn't seem like that's going to be possible so I'm moving my Zaps out into another contraption and drying up my tent back to normal cycles.

Seeker604 said:

Good evening friends,

I've decided to branch out beyond cubensis this year, and I'll be doing Natal Super Strain (Psilocybe Natalensis), Goliath (Pan. Cambo.), and Natal Blue Meanie (Pan. Cyanescens).

For the two Panaeolus varieties, I'm looking for guidance on how to prepare the substrate. I've read through Baba Yaga's "Pans in Monotubs" tutorial, and while I see he has ratios for his substrates, I was curious how I could implement pre-pasteurized horse manure into my current CVG recipe that I use for my monotubs of cubensis. (I will also be using BY's prescribed/recommended casing mix for the Pans grows.)

Since 2018, I've been using the following for either 1 54qt or 2 32qt tubs for cubes:

• 650g coco coir brick
  
• 8 cups vermiculite (2 quarts)
  
• 1 cup gypsum
  
• 18 cups water (4.5 quarts)
  

I was planning on using my 32qt monotubs (all my tubs are unmodified per Bod's tek) to grow out the Pans.

Any advice on how much pre-pasteurized horse manure I should add to the above recipe to make the pans happy? Should I leave the amount of water per bucket where I have it, or add more or less? Again, volume above for cubes is either 1 54qt tub or 2 32qt tubs.

Thanks in advance for any guidance from my Panaeolus peers!

Peace & Light,

Seeker604

PS - If anyone has tips for a successful P. Natalensis grow, I'm all ears as well. Initial research here on the site seems like there's really not much difference from growing cubes on coir...but I'm open to new teks if anyone knows of specific process for Natal Super Strain. 

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old_fart_out_west said:

What’s the smallest container someone’s grown pan cyans in?

Do you think bigger (wider, taller) or smaller (thinner, shorter) containers effect yield? Sorry if this is a dumb question!

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I think hunting down a good strain is the main thing. Once you got good genetic material you can throw anything at it and it will fruit regardless.

Baba Yaga said:

Are you pasteurizing the manure yourself or is this bought stuff. Is it field aged?

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20% manure will make for a good enough substrate for pans. You can go higher if the consistency of the manure is not messing up the texture of your substrate. It's not a set in stone formula, stop adding manure when it starts to become muddy. Vermiculite and straw does a good job to aerate a sloppy substrate so adding it will help to fluff things up but if you are careful then manure and coir alone will work as well.

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Thank you so much! I'm honored you responded to my post! 

I'll be adding these three grows to my LAGM 2023 journal.

Peace & Light,

Seeker604

Baba Yaga said:

I actually have no experience with dried pre-pasteurized horse manure. Are there any instructions coming with it?
Honestly, I don't know this product so you will have to go with your feeling in this case and keep it fluffy.

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ruawakeyet said:

Just to clear up some potential confusion: Blue Meanies is really just a common name / basically slang. It is used for both Pan Cyans and Cubensis mushrooms. I think there is a variety of Cubes being called Blue Meanies.

I don't think "Natal Blue Meanies" would indicate Pan Cyans, it might be it's own thing or just made up or a mistake.

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ruawakeyet said:

I don't think "Natal Blue Meanies" would indicate Pan Cyans, it might be it's own thing or just made up or a mistake.

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Seeker604 said:

ruawakeyet said:

I don't think "Natal Blue Meanies" would indicate Pan Cyans, it might be it's own thing or just made up or a mistake.

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The vendor is in South Africa - it is labeled Panaeolus Cyanescens with the nickname in parentheses. It's the pan. cyanescens first described in Natal.

And yes, there is a cube variety called Blue Meanies as well. I bought both my Pans from the same vendor; I did not buy cube spores from them.

Peace & Light,

Seeker604

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Adrenognome said:

Seeker604 said:

ruawakeyet said:

I don't think "Natal Blue Meanies" would indicate Pan Cyans, it might be it's own thing or just made up or a mistake.

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The vendor is in South Africa - it is labeled Panaeolus Cyanescens with the nickname in parentheses. It's the pan. cyanescens first described in Natal.

And yes, there is a cube variety called Blue Meanies as well. I bought both my Pans from the same vendor; I did not buy cube spores from them.

Peace & Light,

Seeker604

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Could just be ps. Natalensis? Any pics?

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Baba Yaga said:

Once you got good genetic material you can throw anything at it and it will fruit regardless.

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Except maybe fungal parasites/disease like possible Verticillium fungicola(my guess) or Pseudomonas(Adas' suggestion)