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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: THE MYCOSMITH] * 8
    #28190570 - 02/16/23 06:01 PM (11 months, 5 days ago)



Pan bispo in rye and coir bottles, at the request of the fine Mr. Hindsight.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SirPsycho]
    #28190587 - 02/16/23 06:11 PM (11 months, 5 days ago)

Nice. What's the spawn ratio there?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] * 6
    #28190731 - 02/16/23 08:25 PM (11 months, 5 days ago)

haven't seen that before


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: stagger] * 1
    #28190736 - 02/16/23 08:30 PM (11 months, 5 days ago)

This is super cute :loveeyes:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] * 10
    #28190852 - 02/16/23 10:44 PM (11 months, 5 days ago)

Well what I didn't mention is that I have a DIY humidistat that uses a heated humidity sensor that doesn't collect condensation, and that I have waterproofed everything on the sensor except for the sensing chip itself which needs to be exposed to the air.  It's been working flawlessly, here are the results I got from my first attempt growing pan cambo Goliath in this tent using trays:




My casing layer was just wet vermiculite, I wonder if I could get denser canopies with a different casing


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mikeybox]
    #28190863 - 02/16/23 10:50 PM (11 months, 5 days ago)

Outstanding!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet] * 1
    #28190993 - 02/17/23 04:46 AM (11 months, 5 days ago)

Jesus fuck mate a kilo of Pans! What a beast of a setup you're running! :rockon: That's what I call results!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] * 1
    #28191009 - 02/17/23 05:16 AM (11 months, 5 days ago)

Good job man. I'm really surprised that the dry weight is 10%, that's dense.

How much spawn have you used per tray?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] * 8
    #28191024 - 02/17/23 05:41 AM (11 months, 5 days ago)

yesterday a few, 7.5g wet


this morning's look at the tub and another 7.5g grabbed off it


she is still doing her thing, I am making slight adjustments as we go and trying to get her more of what she wants :shrug: let's see where this goes

very excited to sample some, hope they are as mighty as advertised

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SingularFusion] * 1
    #28191035 - 02/17/23 05:58 AM (11 months, 5 days ago)

Awesome work brother!

They look great! I hope you will have an enlightened trip :3


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Shrimps] * 3
    #28191091 - 02/17/23 07:19 AM (11 months, 5 days ago)

Nef are they bisporus? They look great!

Baba, thanks, they are pretty cute, strong af too.  Well at least the strongest I've gardened thus far.  15g fresh was a 5-6 hour ride and am looking forward to future spins.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mikeybox] * 1
    #28191104 - 02/17/23 07:30 AM (11 months, 5 days ago)

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Well what I didn't mention is that I have a DIY humidistat that uses a heated humidity sensor that doesn't collect condensation, and that I have waterproofed everything on the sensor except for the sensing chip itself which needs to be exposed to the air.  It's been working flawlessly, here are the results I got from my first attempt growing pan cambo Goliath in this tent using trays:




My casing layer was just wet vermiculite, I wonder if I could get denser canopies with a different casing




Looks like you don't need any help :fingerpistol:

Very nice looking grows.

To directly answer your question from a few weeks ago, I honestly don't know that anyone has figured out exactly what humidity levels Pans like during evap/fogging cycles, from an exact RH number standpoint. Very few people that I have seen are using hygrometers for cycles because the ones you can buy affordably off the shelf don't provide the feature that your DIY one does - they just don't update fast enough and they get saturated.

I have seen Asura post RH numbers but it was a long time ago and IIRC his RH numbers and approach were more constant than cycling. For example, he had one RH value he aimed for when initiating pinning, and another RH value he aimed for when fruiting. Within each of these phases, his RH target was constant (I think). If memory serves me correctly, I think he said something like 85% RH for pin initiation and >= 95% for fruiting. If you do a search for him and his pan tek, you can check on these numbers.

I have personally measured RH in my tent periodically just to see about what I'm hitting during the end of a rest cycle and during a fogging cycle. Fogging is obviously going to be past 100% RH, and I find I hit around 85% RH at the end of the rest cycle. So Asura's numbers make sense to me.... high evaporation rate for pin initiation then heavy humidity to protect fruits and keep them happy once they appear. I and others have just personally found that cycling humidity doesn't negatively impact fruit growth - or rather, if someone has found that, I haven't seen them mention it. The other factor is that even if fruits may prefer a constant 95% RH, pins don't always form perfectly evenly at the same time. In many of my grows, even with clones, I will sometimes have half the tub start pinning, then the other half start pinning 4-8 days later. I generally wait to harvest until the younger fruits are full grown, or close, so long as the older fruits aren't well past prime. My concern would be that if I set a constant RH after pins form, I might lose out on the second wave of pins that come during the first flush. My tent is also small enough that it's hard to hold a really steady RH level with my setup, even if I wanted to.

Growing pans is still obscure enough that there are a lot of parameters that have yet to be defined as THE perfect way of doing it, for maximum yield, potency, and BE, and that's part of the allure of growing them.... still so much to learn, discover, and contribute!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: stagger] * 3
    #28191173 - 02/17/23 08:18 AM (11 months, 5 days ago)

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Nef are they bisporus?...




Thanks Stagger... They are indeed, my first try at Bisporus or Pans in general. Hopefully many more in my future


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SingularFusion] * 1
    #28191259 - 02/17/23 09:16 AM (11 months, 5 days ago)

Cute tub, Nef. Looking healthy. Can't wait for your trip report!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] * 1
    #28191368 - 02/17/23 10:14 AM (11 months, 5 days ago)

Congrats Nef!!  Hope you enjoy
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: THE MYCOSMITH]
    #28191421 - 02/17/23 10:52 AM (11 months, 5 days ago)

What causes pan cyan caps and stems to turn dark? Is it usually from excessive watering?



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] * 3
    #28191628 - 02/17/23 01:01 PM (11 months, 5 days ago)

Each tray contains 1 full quart of oats (not myco quart, a full quart)

My spawn to sub ratio is 1:4

What I did was make 6 all-in-one bags.  Each bags at the bottom had 1.5 quarts "deodorized" composted steer manure (hydrated), 1.5 quart hydrated coir, and 1 quart boiled oats, for a total of 4 quarts per bag, with the oats on top.  Then I sterilized them in the PC, and dropped colonized agar wedges into each bag using my SAB, and sealed the bags up.  Then I just let them colonize until a lot of the oats had mycelium on them, then broke up and mixed the bags, then let them finish colonizing.  So the entire substrate fully colonizes while the bag is still sealed, meaning I don't have to pasteurize the manure.

Then I broke up and spawned each bag into an aluminum foil tray, cased it with a thin layer of verm, sprayed the verm to wet it, and left them in the tent.  It took 8 days from spawning until pins appeared.

After pins appeared I think it took around a week for the fruits to mature.  I harvested the first flush and there's a bunch of 2nd flush pins coming up now.

As for the density, I noticed the fruits felt dense, are pan cambos usually dense?  Do you think it has more to do with the species, genetics, or the growing conditions?

Also another thing that is kind of funny, the culture I used to grow these pan cambos came from some colonized agar plates that sat in the refrigerator for about a year...  The agar was starting to get kind of dry.  Fortunately I was able to take transfers from them.  I just thought it was cool that they lasted so long in the fridge and went on to produce good fruits.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mikeybox] * 1
    #28191816 - 02/17/23 03:22 PM (11 months, 5 days ago)

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Also another thing that is kind of funny, the culture I used to grow these pan cambos came from some colonized agar plates that sat in the refrigerator for about a year...  The agar was starting to get kind of dry.  Fortunately I was able to take transfers from them.  I just thought it was cool that they lasted so long in the fridge and went on to produce good fruits.




Kind of funny? Bruh, this is the most fascinating thing about your entire grow :ohwow: Pretty nuts if you ask me!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] * 3
    #28191839 - 02/17/23 03:38 PM (11 months, 5 days ago)

Yeah man!  This is an old-ass culture!

That's not all, I also had a pan cyan Jamaica culture that sat in the fridge for TWO YEARS, and the agar was getting leathery and dry... some parts of the agar near the edges of the plate were hard and brittle, but I found some agar near the middle that was still a little flexible, and took transfers from there... and it bounced back!  I have 4 colonized plates now of that pan cyan Jamaica that came from that 2 year old plate in the fridge.

Pan cyan Jamaica kind of has sentimental value to me, because it was the first panaeolus I ever managed to grow, and my first trip ever with pans, and the trip was VERY good.  1g of dry pan cyan Jamaica had me seeing lots of open-eye visuals.

Having said that, even though I revived it, I probably won't send the pan cyan Jamaica to grain though, because, well, I had a hard time with pan cyan Jamaica in the past... I managed to get it to fruit once, but I got a small yield, the fruits were tiny, and I had a lot of trouble with overlay.  I tried to grow it a 2nd time by fruiting in jars, and couldn't even get the jars to pin, meanwhile the pan cambo Goliath did fruit in the same jars and same conditions.

So what I want to try next is pan cyan BVI.  I just applied spores from a print to agar last night.  I've heard some good things about BVI, like that it is a fast aggressive colonizer, and I talked to a guy who inoculated spawn bags, and the BVI actually started pinning in the spawn bag...  so I have a feeling BVI might not be as difficult to fruit as Jamaica. 

The fact that BVI won the 2022 Cultivar Cup for most potent is also motivating me to want to grow some.

I hope it is worth it, I know BVI fruits tend to be tiny!  It'll be interesting to see if they perform any differently in my setup.  I know I'm doing things differently than most people so who knows.

If for whatever reason I'm not happy with the BVI I might give Jamaica another try.  We'll see.  Meanwhile it can stay in the fridge :grin:  We already know it can last a long time there.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mikeybox]
    #28191939 - 02/17/23 04:38 PM (11 months, 5 days ago)

Has anybody successfully cloned pans?  Seems a lot harder due to the stems being so much smaller vs. cubes...

If you have successfully cloned pans, can you give me advice how you did it?


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