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Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? 1
#23983158 - 01/05/17 06:01 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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We are natural story tellers.
Are you aware how when you eg daydream your mind is naturally creating stories. These can be swift drama full stories/dramas, often in the sace of less than a minute. And of course there is dreaming when we sleep where 'you' pain the whole scene and are all the characters and events.
This morning I woke up, and not wanting to get up straight away, I rolled over for a snuggly more 10 mins, and when I did I kinda half awake dreamed that I was seeing a little brother being swept away in this raging river whereupon I dived in, and was praying to all the spirit of nature to help me save him. I got to him and managed to get us over to the bank of the river and grabbed a root, and interspersed with this dramatic scene was me cuddling my little brother when he was really small, and it was all really moving. Then back to the drama, I push him up and I follow both soaking wet and freezing, and next thing is to get help, and then I got up outta bed.
Now a while ago I heard that we have this natural brain/mind propensity to find pleasure in eating fruits. IE on an MRI scan areas of the brain will light up if say we eat an apple, grapes. And that this propensity is a good thing for health, and other species share it.
HOWEVER, this natural attraction to natural sweet fruits etc has been exploited by Big Food which will push saturated sugar products, and add food to the most unsuspecting food and drink stuffs, and also exploit the natural attraction for sweets by using chemicals. This has caused in a big part to the epidemic of obesity.
So there is an example of an exploitation of a natural physilogical need isn't it, and spiritual.
So isn't this the same for the exploitation of our natural storytelling/listening potential?
That knowing that we naturally are story tellers and listyeners secret groups have created stories set to control us via their narrative? isn't this what religious and political propaganda is. Demanding there really is characters like 'Satan/Devil' and 'The Terrorist'/Bogeyman?
Thoughts on this?
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: zzripz]
#23983163 - 01/05/17 06:09 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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good slumber work!
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: redgreenvines]
#23985315 - 01/05/17 09:57 PM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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Yes, I think this is correct.
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: Peyote Road]
#23986001 - 01/06/17 08:37 AM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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pathetic response and lack of to this inquiry IMO
I cannot force interest, but am just freely offering my critique of lack on interest in a VERY interesting question!
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: zzripz]
#23986200 - 01/06/17 10:28 AM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: redgreenvines]
#23986213 - 01/06/17 10:34 AM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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Of course they do look at the fabric of our society! Lies now encompass mores people's reality than factual truths do
The media has become so consolidated that they have all gotten on board and fed us a fake version of reality to manage us easier
Here a story that can draw similarities by a reality where slavery was never abolished just reworked and relabeled
“If you wish to keep slaves, you must have all kinds of guards. The cheapest way to have guards is to have the slaves pay taxes to finance their own guards. To fool the slaves, you tell them that they are not slaves and that they have Freedom. You tell them they need Law and Order to protect them against bad slaves. Then you tell them to elect a Government. Give them Freedom to vote and they will vote for their own guards and pay their salary. They will then believe they are Free persons. Then give them money to earn, count and spend and they will be too busy to notice the slavery they are in.”
-------------------- Enlils true purpose is to get us off topic and to cast enough logical doubts so that outsiders viewing this would be more likely to side with his fake opinions rather than our or sometimes controlled opppsotions opinions. You see if you are too skilled at not falling for their traps and stating logically sound debunks then other accounts who purposefully agree with 90% of the truth join in and get the entire topic off the main points. It's their 1960s version of damage control and diversion but man it's painfully obvious in 2017
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: Psychonott]
#23988563 - 01/07/17 05:09 AM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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Yes that is a great quote. A big part of TOXIC stories (stories deliberately set out to control people for a ruling elite) is to do exactly that, make the believer so fearful/shuddering that they will do anything to -they think-save themselves at the expensce of others. That is why the story of the 'Devil' and 'Hell' worked so well to control people. I mean who wants to go to Hell for everlasting fiery torture and punishment...? I REALLY admire the people of eg the Middle Ages who rebelled against all this evil crap. They had great courage because the toxic story was all-pervasive.
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: zzripz]
#23989773 - 01/07/17 03:00 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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Now that part dream I had, as I described above, where I saw my 'brother' being swept away in a river and I jumped in to save him. I was immersed in that drama.
Likewise the toxic story-tellers want us immersed in their stories. And this immersion can go very deep.
Recently saw the title of a video 'He went into Hell and talked to the Devil', all about someone who had an NDE. We have also heard people who have 'come back' from these experiences and claim there is a real Hell, and the Devil and God are real, and they become vicars etc. I have heard atheists claim they are now Christians because they experienced dramas that have been written of in the Bible.
So looking at this critically, it would seem that these stories can even influence these deeper states when heart has stopped etc. But people take the experiences literally so no amount of trying to question them would be accepted, because they have become even more entrenched!
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: zzripz]
#23991640 - 01/08/17 05:20 AM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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It must have been horrendous to have been brought up to believe the STORY that this life offers you only one chance of redemption, and if you sin against 'God' you will burn in Hell everlastingly tormented by the Devil and his demons! And artists were commissioned by the Church to create paintings depicting Hell and the Devil torturing 'sinners', reinforcing these images into the psyche~~~
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: zzripz]
#23991736 - 01/08/17 07:41 AM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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chicken and egg: this complex issue has more than one interpretation: when intoxicated on mushrooms, or some other brain state modification (including dreaming/meditation/yoga/prayer etc.), a person may have a vision - a highly detailed tableau in which figures writhe and cavort fiendishly - temptingly - exquisitely - horribly.
mind can produce such experiences/visions without direct prompting from any dominating figure(s) or forces.
Moreover, paintings like the temptation of saint anthony, or buddha facing mara, provide a portrayal of the human mind struggling to be consistent in the face of extreme distraction.
I think you are off base with these examples, although manipulation is and has been afoot in many areas to greater and lesser degrees. To achieve the level of manipulation you describe a KGB would have had to exist that was 100 times as powerful than it is today.
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: redgreenvines]
#23992087 - 01/08/17 10:45 AM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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I already said that we are natural storytellers, and this would also mean we naturally have natural imageination where all that you relate has the potential to be experiences.
But then I am arguing that because of this, there are groups that know this and exploit/manipulate this natural state towards their own ends. IE to maintain an authoritarian hold over the one that now becomes immersed in their story and/or interpretation of a story. Hence the indoctrination of the 'Devil' and 'Hell'.
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Moreover, paintings like the temptation of saint anthony, or buddha facing mara, provide a portrayal of the human mind struggling to be consistent in the face of extreme distraction.


And what I am asking is , but isn't that too a story that one is immersed in by authoritarian indoctrination? The idea that you must resist 'temptation' and sit in 'contemplation' or else 'Hell' for ever and ever, or 'Karma' for many lifetimes.
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I think you are off base with these examples, although manipulation is and has been afoot in many areas to greater and lesser degrees. To achieve the level of manipulation you describe a KGB would have had to exist that was 100 times as powerful than it is today.
Well a central point is that a KGB is not needed, to force social control, because if you can control a person's story, immersing them in it, you control them, because the victim fundamentally believes it through and through and will not question it.
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: zzripz]
#23992126 - 01/08/17 11:01 AM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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left to one's own devices, we are all our own worst KGB's, and have to be our own St. Anthony too.
transforming everything into conspiracies is just more MARA
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: redgreenvines]
#23992866 - 01/08/17 04:00 PM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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redgreenvines said: left to one's own devices, we are all our own worst KGB's, and have to be our own St. Anthony too.
transforming everything into conspiracies is just more MARA
Which is the story I see you immersed in. IE the one who will judge any talk of predatory elites socially engineering via myths/stories 'conspiracy theories'.
I mean what does 'left to one's own devices' even mean?
Your claiming that the person not a victim of the constant propaganda, religious, mass marketing, political, and occult will also be their own worst KGB and St Anthony?
If you do, sorry but that makes no sense to me. How do you know that?
And you put 'MARA' in caps? let me ask you redgreenvines: Does your story include belief in Buddhism?
If not please explain that sentence? What do you mean? I am really interested.
Here's a wiki definition of the word MARA:
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Mara (Sanskrit: māra; Chinese: 天魔; pinyin: Tiānmó; Tibetan Wylie: bdud; Khmer: មារ; Burmese: မာရ်နတ်; Thai: มาร; Sinhalese: මාරයා), in Buddhism, is the demon that tempted Gautama Buddha by trying to seduce him with the vision of beautiful women who, in various legends, are often said to be Mara's daughters.[1] In Buddhist cosmology, Mara is associated with death, rebirth, and desire.[2] Nyanaponika Thera has described Mara as "the personification of the forces antagonistic to enlightenment."[3]
Etymology The word "Māra" comes from the Proto-Indo-European root *mer meaning to die.[4] The Sanskrit form of the verbal root is √mṛ. It takes a present indicative form mṛyate and a causative form mārayati (with strengthening of the root vowel from ṛ to ār). Māra is a verbal noun from the causative root and means 'causing death' or 'killing'.[4] It is related to other words for death from the same root, such as: maraṇa and mṛtyu. The latter is a name for death personified and is sometimes identified with Yama. ff
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: zzripz]
#23993013 - 01/08/17 04:47 PM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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my assumption is that mind can be easily distracted by it's own fabrications (MARA) and that this is fundamental but not fundamentally embarrassing, since both the exalted Buddha and revered St. Anthony are depicted in various cultural lore as enduring their own fabrications.
this I write about completely separately from the overriding issue that we are not in a classless society, never have been, and are not likely to see an end of it even in star trek.
All the same, those that profit from the dust of our bones do not have sufficient attention span to be so involved in controlling our thoughts (they don't even control their own thoughts in general).
Our thoughts are largely not in our own control but are herded to the extent that we do not herd our own selves (i.e. a jumble of thoughts are loosely corralled through the day from morning to night through every step of the day).
so sure, someone is profiting more than us, more than you, but this is not proof of an invasion of lizard people. I'm am just pointing out that working through mental junk is not trivial and blaming one class (or race) or another for your own muddled thoughts is not fair.
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: redgreenvines]
#23994616 - 01/09/17 08:39 AM (7 years, 21 days ago) |
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I do see many assumptions there.
Why should my critical ideas about issues I choose to examine be 'fabrications'? According to whose judgement? How do you know your judgement is not fabrication?
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fabricate (v.) Look up fabricate at Dictionary.com mid-15c., "to fashion, make, build," from Latin fabricatus, past participle of fabricare "to make, construct, fashion, build," from fabrica (see fabric). In bad sense of "tell a lie (etc.)," it is recorded by 1779. Related: Fabricated; fabricating.
Hmmmm
My approach is to question the 'Buddha'. there is no evidence he actually existed, as there aint for 'Jesus of Nazareth' or 'the prophet Muhammad', These are the myths/stories I am talking about. So it is interesting you use that term 'Mara' to warn against questioning stories, like the one presently, the 'war on terror'. if anything was fabrication it was the propaganda of this myth.
You worry that looking into all this can 'distract' the mind. From what? What are you afraid being distracted from?
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All the same, those that profit from the dust of our bones do not have sufficient attention span to be so involved in controlling our thoughts (they don't even control their own thoughts in general).
But, if I might say, that is an ignore-ant conclusion. In that you are ignoreing the available information which contradicts that conclusion. For example in the words of the so-called Master of Propaganda Edward Bernays:
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“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ...We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. ...In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons...who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.” ― Edward L. Bernays, Propaganda
he is spelling it out for you, but of course there is even more deep control going on also. This is what I mean about them wanting you immersed in their story for you 'own good' and the 'good of democracy' which in the Middle Eastern context is being delivered with falling bombs etc etc etc! 'Spreading democracy'.
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Our thoughts are largely not in our own control but are herded to the extent that we do not herd our own selves (i.e. a jumble of thoughts are loosely corralled through the day from morning to night through every step of the day).
so sure, someone is profiting more than us, more than you, but this is not proof of an invasion of lizard people. I'm am just pointing out that working through mental junk is not trivial and blaming one class (or race) or another for your own muddled thoughts is not fair.
Our thoughts are not in our control obviously if there are hidden hands manipulating them. That is the point.
I also no buy the 'lizard people' theories of David Icke. He is pushing a toxic story also, and I try and expose it whenever I can.
You seem to dis-trust thinking?
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#23994622 - 01/09/17 08:44 AM (7 years, 21 days ago) |
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just a little study of anthropology would show that in all times and places humans have come up with crazy ideas, cultures, and religions -- there is no need to postulate one particularly evil master mind force behind the curtain pulling our strings. Folks come up with absurd superstitions more often than they engage in rational thought.
Historically the rise of the consumer society, the invention of credit (aka credit cards and massive personal debt), mass production, television, and giving corporations the rights of individuals, advertising, & the invention of the franchise, are all forces that have combined to erode society and human values. A youtube search for Edward Bernays is one good place to begin research. His books are also available free as pdfs online. He is about as close to an evil genius as one is likely to find, as regards this story, I think. Of course Henry Ford and Thomas Edison were no saints either, but Bernays seems to have been pivotal, especially as regards using unconscious influence.
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#23995456 - 01/09/17 02:51 PM (7 years, 21 days ago) |
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We may be natural story tellers, but we aren't naturally good story tellers. It takes skill to tell a good story with any artistic merit. Your dream story with your brother, e.g., is trite.
Other than that, what is your point? We experience life in a narrative fashion. We speak of life events as narratives. Of course people are going to use false narratives to mislead. This isn't really new information.
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: clock_of_omens]
#23995625 - 01/09/17 04:02 PM (7 years, 21 days ago) |
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clock_of_omens said: We may be natural story tellers, but we aren't naturally good story tellers. It takes skill to tell a good story with any artistic merit. Your dream story with your brother, e.g., is trite.
Other than that, what is your point? We experience life in a narrative fashion. We speak of life events as narratives. Of course people are going to use false narratives to mislead. This isn't really new information.
Before I respond to other stuff. Exactly what have YOU presented here, on these boards, that is spanking new, never been touched before. let me see? Does any subject exist that is even like that?
If you have no interest and think this all old hat why are you here?
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: zzripz]
#23995768 - 01/09/17 04:52 PM (7 years, 21 days ago) |
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Lol way to jump to ridiculous conclusions. Granting for arguments sake that there are no subjects that haven't been touched, the idea is to have novel insights and approaches. What does your claim that humans are natural storytellers reveal about propaganda and other misleading narratives that is novel? What are we supposed to discuss in this topic? Obviously people use false narratives to deceive, and obviously groups of people do as well. I highly doubt there is some top secret group out there pulling the strings of society as a whole with false narratives. It's just many different people and groups of people doing such for their own gains.
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: clock_of_omens]
#23996217 - 01/09/17 06:49 PM (7 years, 21 days ago) |
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OK wise guy. So enlighten me? YOU show me your 'novel insights and approaches'. practice what you preach. Otherwise why are you even in my inquiry?
I await your presentation
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