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OfflineSpecialEd
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Natural/Man Made
    #2552624 - 04/13/04 12:30 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I was thinking today that natural occuring phenomena are so much better than things mankind has contrived.

The ambience of a trumpet defeats the synthesizer

Someone relates an anecdote to you, and you laugh about it for days until you find out it wasn't true. The story loses it's appeal since it isn't true.

We have plastic trees

A musician can hypnotize me with a set of bongo drums, but when I overhear hip hop, I get a headache from the crappy beat.

I would rather spend a day in a forest than in an art gallery.

People grow in vitro.

People pay other people to rake their yards and cut the grass.

Tobacco is made in factories.

Just some random thoughts


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Re: Natural/Man Made [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2552641 - 04/13/04 12:34 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I hate this argument...

Everything is "natural"... directly or indirectly.


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Re: Natural/Man Made [Re: Sclorch]
    #2552659 - 04/13/04 12:38 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I wasn't really making an argument...or was I?

hmmmmmm.

Do you get what I'm trying to say? 

Once, in an engineering course at the University of Kansas, my Professor divulged that he did nuclear weapons work for the government.  This man in a Navy Outfit declared "BEAUTIFUL!" 

What a skeletal wreck of man he is. :shake:


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Re: Natural/Man Made [Re: Sclorch]
    #2552662 - 04/13/04 12:39 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

...hip hop hits right to the soul,
rza beats is outa control, outa control, now here we go...


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Re: Natural/Man Made [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2552682 - 04/13/04 12:45 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I get what you're saying... but your articulation is too broad.

Van Gogh used man-made paints to create your avatar.


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Re: Natural/Man Made [Re: Sclorch]
    #2552696 - 04/13/04 12:49 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I thought that piece of art grew off of a tree?!? Actually, I like that piece because it reminds me of experiencing lsd out at the lake at dusk.

I don't argue with your statement that all things are natural directly or indirectly, I am just stating my preference for "analog" vs "digital" if that makes sense.


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Re: Natural/Man Made [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2552830 - 04/13/04 01:22 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I remember going up to the mountains and seeing snow and saying aloud how beautiful it was.  Then I was informed that the snow was man-made.  It just wasn't as beautiful, any more.  :crazy:


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Re: Natural/Man Made [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2552832 - 04/13/04 01:23 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

nothing man has made can rival the sunrise, the rainfall, the ocean or the forests...

that said, most of your initial examples were contradictory, or just really confusing ...


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Re: Natural/Man Made [Re: PHARMAKOS]
    #2552844 - 04/13/04 01:25 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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nothing man has made can rival the sunrise, the rainfall, the ocean or the forests...




:thumbup: friend.


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Re: Natural/Man Made [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2552872 - 04/13/04 01:32 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

ahhhh...

:tongue:  :heart:

now i feel bad for ragging on your examples...

this thread makes me think of my cabin. every granite rock is  a painting, every tree a masterpiece...

ahhh... summer


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Re: Natural/Man Made [Re: PHARMAKOS]
    #2552920 - 04/13/04 01:42 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

hummans are part of nature, and anything that is a product of nature is natural. Therefore man made objects are natural because man is a part of nature.

But i understand your point. :oogle:


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Re: Natural/Man Made [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2553030 - 04/13/04 02:14 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

The ambience of a trumpet defeats the synthesizer

Special Ed, you just lost 10 man-made points. For your assignment, I want you to travel the world over and find just one trumpet (no, not a datura flower) growing in field or forest.

Both instruments are marvels of technology from different eras. The trumpets timbres are highly limited and polyphony is one note. A modern synthesizer has a polyphony of around 16, nearly unlimited timbres, a much greater dynamic range and can be recorded with the use of an intermediary microphone. Synth: 4; trumpet: 0.


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Re: Natural/Man Made [Re: Swami]
    #2553073 - 04/13/04 02:26 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Way to totally break down his argument in a technicality and crush his wonderful thoughts. ..... Anways, I agree SpecialEd, nothing manmade can mimic nature, because nature is spontaneuos . That being said, there are many things man made that are more useful then thenature counterpart, but let's not get confused on what is the ultimate creation of the universe.


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Re: Natural/Man Made [Re: Swami]
    #2553089 - 04/13/04 02:32 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Special Ed, you just lost 10 man-made points. For your assignment, I want you to travel the world over and find just one trumpet (no, not a datura flower) growing in field or forest.




bzzzzzzzzzzzt! Moderaters, take this man away.

I understand what you mean, but my earthshattering statement breaks up nicely between the binary nomenclature of analog vs digital which is analagous to Man Made vs Natural.

If you have an audiovisual program that plays music and represents the sound waves graphically, you notice that analog instruments, like a trumpet, have gracefully smooth and continuous waves, while a synthesizer looks like the output of a polygraph machine hooked up to GeeDub.


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Re: Natural/Man Made [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2553115 - 04/13/04 02:40 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

How is a trumpet not man-made? Please explain.

Man-made analog vs. man-made digitial is not even close to natural vs. man-made. Doesn't even make sense.

*bull horn* PLEASE PUT DOWN THE DRUGS AND BACK AWAY SLOWLY!.


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Re: Natural/Man Made [Re: 2Experimental]
    #2553123 - 04/13/04 02:42 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Way to totally break down his argument in a technicality

A HUGE factual error is a technicality? So word arrangement and truth have no bearing when communicating?


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Re: Natural/Man Made [Re: Swami]
    #2553128 - 04/13/04 02:44 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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How is a trumpet not man-made? Please explain.





You are right. I will not argue that a trumpet is not man made.

Quote:

Man-made analog vs. man-made digitial is not even close to natural vs. man-made. Doesn't even make sense.





You understand what I am saying, but your skeptic mind is pushing it out.

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PLEASE PUT DOWN THE DRUGS AND BACK AWAY SLOWLY!




But, but, they're man-made analog drugs...the good kind!


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Re: Natural/Man Made [Re: Swami]
    #2553232 - 04/13/04 03:09 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Oh, and as for trumpets that grow in the wild...Certain sea conchs produce a horn sound when blown.


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Re: Natural/Man Made [Re: Sclorch]
    #2553511 - 04/13/04 08:20 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Everything is "natural"... directly or indirectly.




Exactly. To believe otherwise is to somehow place Humans outside of nature.


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Re: Natural/Man Made [Re: 2Experimental]
    #2553702 - 04/13/04 10:27 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

>Anways, I agree SpecialEd, nothing manmade can mimic nature, because nature is spontaneuos
-Are you saying because of the chaos in nature there aren't rules to describe it? We can make computer models that mimic nature, for example.

>the ultimate creation of the universe.
-Just to "carrify"... what IS the ulitmate creation of the universe.

Ed, you said that Tobacco is made in factories (and is therefor bad) but tabacco is a GROWN outdoors and evolved the properties it had through nature. Medicines are produced in factories, so naturally collected herbal remedies should be more effective? My point is you can't just draw a line between two things like that, it's over generalized.


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