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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: flickedbic]
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flickedbic said: We're not being controlled exactly, more diverted, entertained, lied to, infiltrated, manipulated, extorted, herded, propositioned, compromised, fleeced, misdirected, given a puppet show, medicated, inebriated, killed, neuro-linguistically programmed, abused, addicted, divided, etc.
IME it's not the failures of humanity but the duplicitous evil of the banking cabal who claim to be Jews but are the synagogue of Satan, the Sabbatean antichrist inversion cult with its pawns and useful idiots that's the issue
You don't need numerology to see it, even if they do use numerology.
All that sounds like control to me. I just call a spade a spade.
And true you don't need numerology to see it, but IF your gonna look you may as well not only half look but get a good look, and see the tricks they are playing.
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: zzripz]
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people's need to control is a trait that is shared across the board, from each and every individual.
some people see a star and think "Star of David"...some people just see a star.
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: zzripz]
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Still not seeing that explanation for what you see in that video.
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: clock_of_omens]
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clock_of_omens said: Still not seeing that explanation for what you see in that video.
WOW mr impatience? Gone from not even being bothered to gaggin' for it? 
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: zzripz]
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: clock_of_omens]
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President Trump ( ) is the joker/trump card in the Illuminati Tarot pack.
His role is as a false choice. He is supposedly against the 'new world order', the establishment. Our local rag was all about this:
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Donald Trump has pulled up Fortress America’s drawbridge.
The new President had only one audience. Those who voted for him. And he spoke to them in lurid Technicolor, vowing to put America First.
Here are the key extracts from his speech and what they mean for America and the rest of the world:
What he said: “We, the citizens of America, are now joined in a great national effort to rebuild our country... together, we will determine the course of America and the world for years to come.”
What he means: The new President had only one audience. Those who voted for him. And he spoke to them in lurid Technicolor, vowing to put America First, The only part of the speech grounded in truth. The course of America and the world will surely be changed for years to come – if he gets his way. President Donald Trump arrives at the start of his inauguration (Photo: NYTNS/Redux/eyevine)
What he said: “We are transferring power from Washington DC and giving it back to you, the American People.
"For too long, a small group in our nation’s capital has reaped the rewards of government while the people have borne the cost.”
What it means: The arsonist has been handed a box of matches. Trump’s campaign rested on his pitch that he was the outsider taking on the establishment.
Rather than build bridges, he will continue to exploit this “them and us” theme to his advantage. source
If you remember, above I have talked about how advertisers will promote some crappy liquid etc, which is utter crap IF you read the label, but they connect it with some IMAGE, and they use spin, and then people just 'buy' it? Well same here. he talks spin, and the media make out he is a maverick, but when you look closer he is totally behind Zionist Israel, is totally for increasing the phony 'war on drugs' (which will increase the violence even more), talks about totally eradicating 'terrorism' when the 'war on terror' is fabricated BY the Zionists/globalists etc, and is against care for the natural world. The latter being, for me, the most serious problem, because all life depends on the health of nature and other species.
His role is to make people believe/have the IMAGE they have someone who will stand up against the 'new world order' as their leader. And yet Trump is the NWO's trump/joker card in their Tarot pack. As usual they mock us, which they love doing. We are their 'sheep'?
Now to that mattress advert:
Gematria, the practice of assigning numbers to words, is a Jewish practice, and is used extensively in their Kabbalah mysticism. All the people behind Trump are Zionists. He luuurves them. We see at beginning of advert the front of his tower:
Trump international hotel and tower.In gematria that is 148 (English reduction system)
Donald J Trump (his author name) also = 148 (English Ordinal system)
his first book titled ‘The Art of the Deal’ = 148 (English Ordinal system)
In a mainstream article above even there they note how 'coincidental' it is that.
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"11/9 is the new 9/11": Americans liken Trump's win to most devastating day in country's history The similarity in dates hasn't gone unnoticed as US citizens call the election result "America's worst nightmare"
Devastated Americans have likened the US Presidential election result to the most tragic day in the country's history, 9/11.
The date of the announcement that billionaire businessman Donald Trump will be the next President has not gone unnoticed by US citizens.
November 9 is written as 11/9 in the USA - the reverse of September 11 or 9/11.
And many are comparing the two with some calling it "America's worst nightmare" - worse than the death of 3,000 citizens on that day 15 years ago.
Now see in the Trump numbered sheep ad how he ends up in between sheep number 9 and sheep number 11, which can be either 911 or 119. Both the sheep stand on pillars (masonic/towers reference). This is what is called 'predictive programming' which means insiders giving 'clues' knowing that many will not be aware of them and thus they will affect their unconscious deeper. This is what ad people do all the time.
Trump says to sheep number 9: ‘good number 9, looking GOOD!’
Sheep by trumps side then says: ‘where’s your DIGNITY?!’
Is it not true that this '45th' (= 9) president is an uncouth man with no dignity, and there are even media stories of his paying to have prostitutes piss on each other, and grab women's vaginas etc etc?
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: zzripz]
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I don't know why you keep throwing quotes around the word terrorism. Islamists commit plenty of terrorism. Are you really suggesting that it is the Jews who are controlling the Islamic terrorists? If so, that's just plain dumb.
"All the people behind Trump are Zionists."

"Nonsense about gematria."
Ok? What is the significance of 148 in Gematria? How many different systems are there, since I see you used two different ones to come up with 148 related to Trump? Also, what does that have to do with the commercial?
I love that you think the fact that the sheep are numbered is significant enough to underline. You do know that this is a line of commercials all with numbered sheep right? That is it playing on the whole counting sheep to fall asleep idea? Are the rest of the Serta commercials part of the Zionist conspiracy too?
That stuff about a supposed 9/11 11/9 connection is stupid. The election is always on a Tues, it was always going to be on 11/9 last year. What are you trying to suggest? That the Zionists set up 9/11 to happen on that date so that it would be the inverse of the election date fifteen years later? What is the significance of it being Trump specifically? What if Hillary won, or someone else? Would the supposed 9/11 11/9 connection still be significant? Do you think that there is any connection in the world that isn't significant, or is everything part of a global conspiracy?
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: DividedQuantum]
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DividedQuantum said: Yes, and I think people like zz have accrued, for whatever reason, a psychologically perceived lack of control at various points in their lives, which leads them to posit controlling entities in order to compensate. It's relatively common.
...relatively common... apparently
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=manichean+mentality&t=hs&ia=web
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=manichaeism+%2B+conspiracy+theorists&t=hs&ia=web
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: clock_of_omens]
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clock_of_omens said: I don't know why you keep throwing quotes around the word terrorism. Islamists commit plenty of terrorism. Are you really suggesting that it is the Jews who are controlling the Islamic terrorists? If so, that's just plain dumb.
"All the people behind Trump are Zionists."

"Nonsense about gematria."
Ok? What is the significance of 148 in Gematria? How many different systems are there, since I see you used two different ones to come up with 148 related to Trump? Also, what does that have to do with the commercial?
I love that you think the fact that the sheep are numbered is significant enough to underline. You do know that this is a line of commercials all with numbered sheep right? That is it playing on the whole counting sheep to fall asleep idea? Are the rest of the Serta commercials part of the Zionist conspiracy too?
That stuff about a supposed 9/11 11/9 connection is stupid. The election is always on a Tues, it was always going to be on 11/9 last year. What are you trying to suggest? That the Zionists set up 9/11 to happen on that date so that it would be the inverse of the election date fifteen years later? What is the significance of it being Trump specifically? What if Hillary won, or someone else? Would the supposed 9/11 11/9 connection still be significant? Do you think that there is any connection in the world that isn't significant, or is everything part of a global conspiracy?
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Are you really suggesting that it is the Jews who are controlling the Islamic terrorists? If so, that's just plain dumb.
Very quick to judge aren't you? You just keep coming back with just your own words/ unsupported assertions. Show some evidence to support your belief about what you say. or is it me that has to do all the work?
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Ok? What is the significance of 148 in Gematria? How many different systems are there, since I see you used two different ones to come up with 148 related to Trump? Also, what does that have to do with the commercial?
I just spelt out the significance of 148 
Was it not you that went on about how IF this predatory elite are so intelligent, how come 'anyone' can suss their codes? And yet now your nervous they may use more than one system of gematria...?
We are not talking about them using numbered sheep in a series of their commercials but that they focus on placing 'President' Trump in between the NUMBERS 11 and 9! You of course see this as just co-incidence, as usual right? 
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That stuff about a supposed 9/11 11/9 connection is stupid. The election is always on a Tues, it was always going to be on 11/9 last year. What are you trying to suggest? That the Zionists set up 9/11 to happen on that date so that it would be the inverse of the election date fifteen years later? What is the significance of it being Trump specifically? What if Hillary won, or someone else? Would the supposed 9/11 11/9 connection still be significant? Do you think that there is any connection in the world that isn't significant, or is everything part of a global conspiracy?
'dumb', 'stupid'..? wow your running out of put-down term ey?
911 features as important for these people. These numbers can also be seen as subtext of the Stars and Stripes.
As for why whould they want Trump over Hillary? There is a very good documentary called Lifting the Veil which reveals how the whole so-called 'choice' between 'left' and 'right' is phony, because BOTH sides are working for the same elite. However they both have different functions which they [the power behind the puppets] alternate according to their needs:
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'We can have democracy in this country or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of the few, but we can't have both. -Louis D.Brandels
John Stauber (PR Watch): If you look historically at what happens to social change movements in this country, they become politically co-opted, and usually by the democratic party, because the republican party...because the former generally run on agendas of change...Once the politicians, democrat or republican get into office they tend to cater for the people who got them there
SHARON SMITH (Historian) the US ruling class has a wonderful ideal system for itself. THEY HAVE TWO CORPORATE PARTIES. One is the Republican party which is the most brazen about defending corporate interests, and the other one is the democratic party which has the same corporate backers, often the same, and sometimes different corporate backers than the republicans. But when plan A isn't working out they just usher in plan B.
So, in terms of social movements what this means is that the democrats have manged to absorb social movements historically. The 'lesser of two evils'
Lifting the Veil
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I think it's very likely that the Romans, in the case of Christianity, exerted significant influence on "the story" as a direct effort to help unify their empire around a single religion and they helped shape that religion to push submission to authority and that forgiveness and acceptance of a cosmic blessing is all you need to reach afterlife paradise.
The Romans clearly exerted a huge amount of influence through the Council of Nicea in what would be the official story of Jesus and I think they were brilliant in the way they did it from a bonding a religion with a militaristic ideology. Islam took it even one step further with a religion that is blatantly militaristic from end to end. It is astounding to me how few Christians truly understand the influence that the Romans had on what became the Christian bible. If not for the relatively recent finds at Nag Hammadi, I don't think we'd truly understand how different the various narratives were of Christianity before the Romans got ahold of it.
The reason we tell stories is because they're an interesting and entertaining form of communication that captures attention and holds it. We embellish stories to have a stronger effect on the listener. Probably dates back to stories in the cave about the hunt.
It strikes me that the likelihood that somewhere in our past we had a breakaway group of humans that made some quantum leap discoveries and somehow exert a lot of influence on our planet in a relatively hidden way is very high. Whether they do it through secret societies, corporate share ownership, manipulation of credit and lending or through technology we're simply unaware of, who knows.
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: KauaiOrca]
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YES. someone gets it.
you know, in my opinion, it's telling that out of most of the writings from the New Testament, most of them were personal revelations and stories about personal experience with one's personal God.
then the council of Nicea just took what was once individualized stories of God and "his glory" (or Jesus and his glory) and made it into a consolidation, a consolidation that frankly isn't as accurate a representation, when you put it all together, of something finite, something true.
ie, the most they add those works together, the more watered down the message gets from each one.
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akira_akuma said: YES. someone gets it.
you know, in my opinion, it's telling that out of most of the writings from the New Testament, most of them were personal revelations and stories about personal experience with one's personal God.
then the council of Nicea just took what was once individualized stories of God and "his glory" (or Jesus and his glory) and made it into a consolidation, a consolidation that frankly isn't as accurate a representation, when you put it all together, of something finite, something true.
ie, the most they add those works together, the more watered down the message gets from each one.
Disinfo people from the various agencies that specialize in this stuff call this the technique of a shit sandwich. You put something factual in the middle and sandwich it between a narrative that is essentially false. That way, you can always point to the something true to validate the story which is false.
Christianity is like that. There certainly was a remarkable man named Jesus who lived and had remarkable influence. Was a great teacher and speaker and possibly even a healer, of his time. He developed a following around his message of love, forgiveness and charity to the poor.
Then, the Romans hi-jacked it and looked for the writings that deified Jesus so that they could push a narrative of submission to God (Rome) with obedience to laws and civil behavior which is what they wanted and, more importantly, glorious rewards for dying in battle in service of God (Rome) ... It all comes down to that ... enabling the State to sanction war with God's blessing. That was very powerful back then and it still is today. Presidents still end virtually every speech with "God Bless America" and/or "God Bless Our Troops."
Absolute nonsense, but effective in joining the authority of God with the Authority of the State. The Romans really developed this system and we've been using it ever since.
What Jefferson did, which is fascinating, is he stated in the Declaration of Independence that:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with inherent and inalienable rights; that among these, are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness." --Declaration of Independence as originally written by Thomas Jefferson, 1776. ME 1:29, Papers 1:315
Which was a very creative way of doing the same thing. Our rights now come from God and we need government to protect/secure them but giving those with the rights the ability to change the government. It's still a way of joining Government with the authority of God.
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: zzripz]
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zzripz said: Very quick to judge aren't you? You just keep coming back with just your own words/ unsupported assertions. Show some evidence to support your belief about what you say. or is it me that has to do all the work?
You are the one seemingly claiming that a Jewish elite are engineering terrorism. The ones committing terrorism are Muslims. The person making ridiculous claims is the one who has the burden of proof, and this is about as ridiculous a claim as I can think of.
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I just spelt out the significance of 148 
Was it not you that went on about how IF this predatory elite are so intelligent, how come 'anyone' can suss their codes? And yet now your nervous they may use more than one system of gematria...?
Lol no. The mere fact that those three things happen to boil down to 148 in two different systems of gematria is not significant. So now the numbers don't even have their own occult significance? It's enough that different sets of words come to the same number is different systems? 
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We are not talking about them using numbered sheep in a series of their commercials but that they focus on placing 'President' Trump in between the NUMBERS 11 and 9! You of course see this as just co-incidence, as usual right? 
It is a bit strange, but I'm much more inclined to come to the more reasonable conclusion that it is coincidence than the ridiculous conclusion that it is Zionist conspiracists pointlessly mocking people through mattress commercials.
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'dumb', 'stupid'..? wow your running out of put-down term ey?
911 features as important for these people. These numbers can also be seen as subtext of the Stars and Stripes.
As for why whould they want Trump over Hillary? There is a very good documentary called Lifting the Veil which reveals how the whole so-called 'choice' between 'left' and 'right' is phony, because BOTH sides are working for the same elite. However they both have different functions which they [the power behind the puppets] alternate according to their needs:
Nah, I've also got asinine, ridiculous, silly, etc. up my sleeve.
How can 911 be seen as subtext for "stars and stripes" and what exactly does that have to do with anything?
The fact that the Repubs and Dems are basically the same is not evidence for a global conspiracy, Zionist or otherwise.
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You are the one seemingly claiming that a Jewish elite are engineering terrorism. The ones committing terrorism are Muslims. The person making ridiculous claims is the one who has the burden of proof, and this is about as ridiculous a claim as I can think of.
You are obviously not savvy with the available info about all this, so it is like having to keep going backwards. And ALL you do is type a few words with your opinion everything I say is 'dumb, stupid silly etc' BS. Then it is me who is supposed to rund around and try and budge such entrenched bias views. No. I am running out of patience. I will full you in here, but if you don't absorb it then your on your own and I want to move on. For a start the Zionists are notorious for staged terrorism and false flags!
Zionist False Flag Terror and Deceptions
MOTIVE “Greater Israel”: The Zionist Plan for the Middle East
Of course false flags are not committed ONLY by Zionists, but what Zionist false flags--their biggie being 9/11 false flag-- are trying to impress in the psyche is the STORY that terrorism = Islam. I can see they have got to you! 53 Admitted False Flag Attacks
Quote: We are not talking about them using numbered sheep in a series of their commercials but that they focus on placing 'President' Trump in between the NUMBERS 11 and 9! You of course see this as just co-incidence, as usual right? 
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It is a bit strange, but I'm much more inclined to come to the more reasonable conclusion that it is coincidence than the ridiculous conclusion that it is Zionist conspiracists pointlessly mocking people through mattress commercials.
ahaaaa, a bit of a chink there with you at least admitting it is a bit 'strange'!! Yes it very is strange. But then you grab onto your reason rock again. you don't see the 'point'. Do you see the point of the mythical character the 'Devil'?
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Lol no. The mere fact that those three things happen to boil down to 148 in two different systems of gematria is not significant. So now the numbers don't even have their own occult significance? It's enough that different sets of words come to the same number is different systems?
yeah yeah, I hear you already. Your laughin' out loud already? Look, I do not think you are ever gonna get this, because your approach is far too rigid. Of course they will use different systems of gematria, and symbolism and associations.
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How can 911 be seen as subtext for "stars and stripes" and what exactly does that have to do with anything?
The fact that the Repubs and Dems are basically the same is not evidence for a global conspiracy, Zionist or otherwise.
OK first question: the major difference I think between my approach and yours is that I would be fascinated to find that a subtext of the American flag has 9 and 11 in it. But you will dismiss it because you already demand to have a rational explanation. if it don't make sense you don't wanna know. However, as I have observed before you yet do have a curiousity for this subject otherwise you wouldn't get involved. Forst SEE that there is 9 and 11 involved in the subtext of the Stars and Stripes:
in the American Stars and Stripes, the former form rows of columns which give 9 and 11, (9 rows and 11 columns) and the stripes come to 13, and when you add all numbers you get 33. This isn't just haphazard, coincidental, but has been designed to specifications. What has it got to do with anything...? :
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: KauaiOrca]
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KauaiOrca said: I think it's very likely that the Romans, in the case of Christianity, exerted significant influence on "the story" as a direct effort to help unify their empire around a single religion and they helped shape that religion to push submission to authority and that forgiveness and acceptance of a cosmic blessing is all you need to reach afterlife paradise.
The Romans clearly exerted a huge amount of influence through the Council of Nicea in what would be the official story of Jesus and I think they were brilliant in the way they did it from a bonding a religion with a militaristic ideology. Islam took it even one step further with a religion that is blatantly militaristic from end to end. It is astounding to me how few Christians truly understand the influence that the Romans had on what became the Christian bible. If not for the relatively recent finds at Nag Hammadi, I don't think we'd truly understand how different the various narratives were of Christianity before the Romans got ahold of it.
The reason we tell stories is because they're an interesting and entertaining form of communication that captures attention and holds it. We embellish stories to have a stronger effect on the listener. Probably dates back to stories in the cave about the hunt.
It strikes me that the likelihood that somewhere in our past we had a breakaway group of humans that made some quantum leap discoveries and somehow exert a lot of influence on our planet in a relatively hidden way is very high. Whether they do it through secret societies, corporate share ownership, manipulation of credit and lending or through technology we're simply unaware of, who knows.
No I really do think they belong to secret societies. Don't know if you have read the book The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross, by John Allegro. It is great because it reveals how such secret groups could use text etc to hide deeper meanings so that only an initiated insider group would get it. meanwhile the sur-face stories are really just meant for the ones not having access to the technology, and lingo and understanding. I mean the Bible only used to be in Latin and most people could not understand even what the priests were chanting in the rituals. And you have all that stuff in the Bible about numbers etc, usually preceded by 'those those that have understanding'. meaning the inner group. Those that know what the numbers and symbols mean for them. Albert Pike who also wrote about Freemasonry admitted the same, and about how the ones on the lower levels were lied to about the symbols etc and only the higher levels of initiate got to know the 'truth'.
Of course when you say this many skeptics about this subject will say eg 'so how do YOU claim to know? you r not an initiate?'
Well, for one, we are have more access to vast more info than ever before, and there is a goood example with the Church of Scientology which is a very recent cult. people will spend thousands and thousands, and yet not be told the deeper levels (of BS) whereas we that are not even part of that utterly absurd cult founded by a science fiction and fantasy author CAN find out!
Whether or not a 'Jesus' lived is not the point really. There is not actual historical evidence for a 'Jesus of Nazareth', but the main belief is that there was, and he was the only Son of God who died for our sins etc etc etc. That is their story.
If you saw the trump inauguration they were preaching all of this! So it continues.
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: zzripz]
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No I really do think they belong to secret societies. Don't know if you have read the book The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross, by John Allegro. It is great because it reveals how such secret groups could use text etc to hide deeper meanings so that only an initiated insider group would get it. meanwhile the sur-face stories are really just meant for the ones not having access to the technology, and lingo and understanding. I mean the Bible only used to be in Latin and most people could not understand even what the priests were chanting in the rituals. And you have all that stuff in the Bible about numbers etc, usually preceded by 'those those that have understanding'. meaning the inner group. Those that know what the numbers and symbols mean for them. Albert Pike who also wrote about Freemasonry admitted the same, and about how the ones on the lower levels were lied to about the symbols etc and only the higher levels of initiate got to know the 'truth'.
Of course when you say this many skeptics about this subject will say eg 'so how do YOU claim to know? you r not an initiate?'
Well, for one, we are have more access to vast more info than ever before, and there is a goood example with the Church of Scientology which is a very recent cult. people will spend thousands and thousands, and yet not be told the deeper levels (of BS) whereas we that are not even part of that utterly absurd cult founded by a science fiction and fantasy author CAN find out!
Whether or not a 'Jesus' lived is not the point really. There is not actual historical evidence for a 'Jesus of Nazareth', but the main belief is that there was, and he was the only Son of God who died for our sins etc etc etc. That is their story.
If you saw the trump inauguration they were preaching all of this! So it continues.
There are literally thousands and thousands of "secret societies" out there ... literally, every corporation or legal entity (including governments as well) on the planet is a type of secret society where there is a hierarchy of access to the inside secrets and most sensitive facts and knowledge. I have absolutely no doubt at all that every religion including the Freemasonry and others, have all kinds of protective layers to insure only the most loyal of all get the inside scoop. The real question is, how much influence do these groups have. In some cases, no doubt a lot. For instance the Bildenbergers or the Financial Titans that Attend the Davos Conventions or the Central Bank Prezzies that meet with the BIS ... Of course those groups have power and influence.
However, is there some kind of group that has handed down generational power for centuries and been able to attract talented people to keep it going? That's where it gets dicey because they have the same problems, with every new generation, that every group has. Recruiting talented people, keeping a mission together, keeping it from fracturing, in fighting, etc.
My own opinion is that we have a completely new system of control now that has evolved way beyond the RCC > Templar > FreeMason > Secret Societies model that a lot of people get all worked up over. I think it's more chaordic and a lot less organized. Kind of like how the mafia just kind of fell apart with a lot of rival feuding families. I don't sense there is any coordination beyond short term alliances to get while the getting is good and then relatively fast back stabbing to muscle away more power.
Now, if one of these societies has indeed (sex Magik) cracked the code of incarnation and can control that process as in direct the incarnation of souls into families they want, then that would be one helluva powerful offer to make to get cooperation as in ... "Hey, Mr. Obama, we can insure that your family, for eternity, will be part of the planetary ruling class ... all we need from you during your presidency is ... "
Without some kind of offer like that, I doubt there is as much central coordination as one would think. However, I do think the possibility of an ultra advanced race that is way above humans on the IQ scale is behind a lot of the mysteries on this planet is very high. The way they illustrated this in the movie Prometheus was very interesting, I thought and very possible.
Are we a self directed cut off planet evolving from random proteins that just so happened to get in the right order for consciousness to spark ... magically ... or are we more a farm or experiment of an ultra advanced race? I think the latter is far more likely. The idea that dirt has some inherent motivation to create molecular arrangements that create consciousness with a visciously unbending desire to survive and replicate is far fetched ... at least to me.
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: KauaiOrca]
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KauaiOrca said: Are we a self directed cut off planet evolving from random proteins that just so happened to get in the right order for consciousness to spark ... magically ... or are we more a farm or experiment of an ultra advanced race? I think the latter is far more likely. The idea that dirt has some inherent motivation to create molecular arrangements that create consciousness with a visciously unbending desire to survive and replicate is far fetched ... at least to me.
Something more complex is less far fetched.
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: Crazy_Horse]
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KauaiOrca said: Are we a self directed cut off planet evolving from random proteins that just so happened to get in the right order for consciousness to spark ... magically ... or are we more a farm or experiment of an ultra advanced race? I think the latter is far more likely. The idea that dirt has some inherent motivation to create molecular arrangements that create consciousness with a visciously unbending desire to survive and replicate is far fetched ... at least to me.
Something more complex is less far fetched. 
I find it virtually impossible to imagine a more complex theory than somehow DNA is assembled randomly in a way that creates cells that then have an inherent desire to survive, consume and replicate AND EVOLVE into higher and higher beings until eventually, you're building rockets to the stars. Where does this motivation to survive and evolve come from? Where does the incredible intelligence of a simple cell to survive come from? Accidental arrangement of proteins? That's laughable.
It's far more simple to theorize that consciousness has existed long before material form and is far more powerful and durable. That beings of inconceivable conscious awareness exist that have far more knowledge of the laws that govern the multi-verse. That much the way we garden and tend to our pets and projects, ultra evolved beings do something similar.
Consciousness from lifeless chemicals? That's a big stretch.
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: zzripz]
#24032957 - 01/23/17 10:41 AM (7 years, 7 days ago) |
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I'm not even going to spend the time to read all that Zionist stuff. I guess I'll just have to stay in the dark on that one.
As for the flag, are you saying then that the Zionists were planning the supposed 9/11 false flag back in 1960 when we adopted the 50 star version? Did the Zionists engineer the situation where Alaska and Hawaii became states so that there would be 50 stars and they could arrange them in such a way? Why would they do any of this? What does 33 have to do with anything? Did the Zionists make sure that we only had 13 original colonies so that 200 years later when we had 50 states, the rows and columns would add up to 33? What happens if we adopt any more states? Their whole 9/11 deal is going to get screwed up.
I think the Zionists should think about spending a little more time controlling things instead of pointlessly sending messages in our flag and commercials.
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