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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: Crazy_Horse]
    #24022748 - 01/19/17 11:49 AM (7 years, 11 days ago)

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I would like to know why you think this is so important. Lets pretend that you are right. What good is knowing all this stuff. Are you better off than all the people who don't know about it?




Good question!

I find it hard to understand why others, especially those who are familiar with psychedelics aren't passionate about all of this. And yet I have met with a taboo silence amongst the psychedelic community, including big names and their followers, when trying to encourage discussion about it. I have wondered why this would be, and have some ideas which I may go into later.

it is AS important as finding out why it is I am addicted to fast food, and am overweight and prone to disease (which I am not btw. touch wood. I hate the crap and am not fat), or why my kid is (if I had one). I would want to explore all the tricks being pulled to get me and/or my beloved child to eat and drink sht.

Same is so for smoking. I already am aware of how Edward Bernays, after being approached by the Tobacco industry, got more women to smoke, including in public. Through various ways he inculcated an IMAGE/story that smoking cigarettes meant that women doing so were strong liberated women. Think about how sick that is for a moment. Getting them hopelessly addicted to nicotine which will age them, and make them unhealthy and prone to cancer and heart disease, is being made to be liberating!

So my point here is that to thus become aware of what is deliberately being aimed at the unconscious is the actual liberation, because by becoming aware of their tricks you undermine them. They cease having an unconscious power over you. You see through their black magic.

by questioning their stories you are using BOTH your logic and imagination to liberate yourself from their power.

Same is so for any propaganda like the one that tries to make people accept their wars, and send their children to their wars to be physically and mentally and spiritually damaged, and even killed.

Same is so for their occultism which is continuous with all I mention above, but on an even deeper level. because many people will accept that their are tricks the ad people use (but will not go to deep looking into them), and political propaganda, but mention of this occultism will receive disbelief. They think it is crazy talk.

In organized religion they preached about the 'Devil' which many Christians believe in to this day. Instead of questioning all of that they would let the fear of that character make them do all sorts, even torturing their own children because they believed them possessed of evil spirits.

So when you see the danger of these predatory attacks on the dreaming mind, and what can happen as a result, and this includes our alienation from the natural world which threatens other species and the very ecosphere all life depends on, then you realize the urgency of going as deep as you can so as to find out how deep you are being played.

This research shouldn't be done in a paranoid way, but in the spirit of inquiry and love of wisdom. This means questioning all you feel the need to question.


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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: zzripz]
    #24022763 - 01/19/17 11:58 AM (7 years, 11 days ago)

I quit smoking and I lost weight. I am already way ahead of you.


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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: zzripz]
    #24022921 - 01/19/17 01:15 PM (7 years, 11 days ago)

what you don't get is that this is what all human culture is  --- conditioning
always has been
always will be

it's why yogis meditate in caves and ashrams - to get away from the bullshit
and professors hang out in universities

the hippies started some new stuff
you know like long hair
then the main stream adopted it
'culture' and society are sort of like an amorphous creature, blob, or mold

now people play football and it's known to cause brain damage
but they still think it's great
no story is causing this
the facts are in all the big news outlets
but like an amorphous mindless blob of instincts the masses are happy with their sport

you can't force people to be enlightened / awake / intelligent / whatever


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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: Crazy_Horse]
    #24023129 - 01/19/17 02:44 PM (7 years, 11 days ago)

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I quit smoking and I lost weight. I am already way ahead of you.




how dya know?


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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: laughingdog]
    #24023160 - 01/19/17 02:58 PM (7 years, 11 days ago)

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what you don't get is that this is what all human culture is  --- conditioning
always has been
always will be




I view that idea as the story you tell yourself which I question. it is like the story of social darwinism, and is believed in and then you become entrenched in that perspective.
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it's why yogis meditate in caves and ashrams - to get away from the bullshit
and professors hang out in universities




I question yogis and professors. IE the Eastern meditation trip. I am suspicious of all that, as I am of academia and profs.
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the hippies started some new stuff
you know like long hair
then the main stream adopted it
'culture' and society are sort of like an amorphous creature, blob, or mold





Well the hippies discovered psychedelics, and found the culture they were living in all grey and dead and bland, and got smitten by the more colourful Eastern style with its trippy-looking Krishnas, and promise of all-the-time-trippy-bliss. But I think this was deliberate infiltration of these ideas by the groups I am trying to inveil in this thread. IE it was a phony choice offered by New Age groups which are of same ilk as what the elite are into. All about becoming 'enlightened'/becoming a god.

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now people play football and it's known to cause brain damage
but they still think it's great
no story is causing this
the facts are in all the big news outlets
but like an amorphous mindless blob of instincts the masses are happy with their sport




You tend to speak for LOTS of others, as though they are some mindless amorphous blob...! let me ask you: in your life, have you never found out something, and thought eg, 'sht, how could I not have known THAT?' and then you change because of that info. OR, you find out something, but still resist change until at a later time?

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you can't force people to be enlightened / awake / intelligent / whatever




I don't use term 'enlightened' cause it's a loaded term. It is mopre like 'oh, I have found out this interesting, important and surprising thing. I want to share with others and see what they think.'
But this is not ME thinking 'I am ultra aware and now I am gonna preach the truth'. It is rather more an ongoing learning experience where others will surprise me, however.


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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: zzripz]
    #24023581 - 01/19/17 05:50 PM (7 years, 11 days ago)

I am reminded of this quote:
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"It's not a matter of what is true that counts but a matter of what is perceived to be true." --Henry Kissinger




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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: zzripz]
    #24023692 - 01/19/17 06:19 PM (7 years, 11 days ago)

Lol, you berate me for not asking what you see in the video, so when I do ask, you ignore it. Why must you keep doing such?


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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #24023713 - 01/19/17 06:27 PM (7 years, 11 days ago)

This is more like a lecture that a debate.


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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: zzripz] * 1
    #24024095 - 01/19/17 08:32 PM (7 years, 11 days ago)

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....

Quote:

now people play football and it's known to cause brain damage
but they still think it's great
no story is causing this
the facts are in all the big news outlets
but like an amorphous mindless blob of instincts the masses are happy with their sport




You tend to speak for LOTS of others, as though they are some mindless amorphous blob...! ….
.....




lets look at this part above
1) I speak for no one
2) I state some facts:

About people doing something dumb of their own free will.
There are numerous examples of folks engaging in even more brutal customs throughout history, regardless of time or place,
that have nothing to do with a nefarious controlling elite programing them subliminally.
Bullfights, fox hunting, cock fights, dog fights, gladiators, bare knuckle boxing, public executions, the use of stocks, lynchings, witch hunts, burning at the stake, all the way back to stoning and crucifixion and this stuff is only the tip of the iceberg of recorded history.

It sounds good to say all people are equal
or have equal rights, or should be free, or have buddha nature.

But if we look at intelligence ( I know it's not a perfect measure - but it does measure something meaningful) we find that it is distributed on a bell curve - in other words by definition 50% of us are below average. I suspect if we were to measure (hypothetically) other traits (that have to do with our better natures) such as for example: sensitivity, kindness, generosity, etc. we would find a similar distribution. Thus a large segment of the population has never been particularly nice.

Thus sadly no nefarious controlling elite seems necessary to explain humans’ sad record.


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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: Crazy_Horse]
    #24024766 - 01/20/17 05:19 AM (7 years, 10 days ago)

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This is more like a lecture that a debate.




not surprised. some people can't spell one sentence. :tongue2:

But look. Threads are kinda like lectures, but I prefer workshops. This is where a person has an idea, and presents their ideas, and although expects challenges, DOES also expect the ones engaged to at least LOOK at what is being presented. And show genuine interest to know what something means. Not disrespect.

Of course I am gonna go into what that video means, as I understand it, but would have done so sooner if I had thought it had been watched to begin with.


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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: laughingdog]
    #24024777 - 01/20/17 05:44 AM (7 years, 10 days ago)

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zzripz said:
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now people play football and it's known to cause brain damage
but they still think it's great
no story is causing this
the facts are in all the big news outlets
but like an amorphous mindless blob of instincts the masses are happy with their sport




You tend to speak for LOTS of others, as though they are some mindless amorphous blob...! ….
.....




lets look at this part above
1) I speak for no one
2) I state some facts:

About people doing something dumb of their own free will.
There are numerous examples of folks engaging in even more brutal customs throughout history, regardless of time or place,
that have nothing to do with a nefarious controlling elite programing them subliminally.
Bullfights, fox hunting, cock fights, dog fights, gladiators, bare knuckle boxing, public executions, the use of stocks, lynchings, witch hunts, burning at the stake, all the way back to stoning and crucifixion and this stuff is only the tip of the iceberg of recorded history.

It sounds good to say all people are equal
or have equal rights, or should be free, or have buddha nature.

But if we look at intelligence ( I know it's not a perfect measure - but it does measure something meaningful) we find that it is distributed on a bell curve - in other words by definition 50% of us are below average. I suspect if we were to measure (hypothetically) other traits (that have to do with our better natures) such as for example: sensitivity, kindness, generosity, etc. we would find a similar distribution. Thus a large segment of the population has never been particularly nice.

Thus sadly no nefarious controlling elite seems necessary to explain humans’ sad record.



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There are numerous examples of folks engaging in even more brutal customs throughout history, regardless of time or place,
that have nothing to do with a nefarious controlling elite programing them subliminally.
Bullfights, fox hunting, cock fights, dog fights, gladiators, bare knuckle boxing, public executions, the use of stocks, lynchings, witch hunts, burning at the stake, all the way back to stoning and crucifixion and this stuff is only the tip of the iceberg of recorded history.




In all those things you list you will find an elite who manages to create a story where others will be influenced, and it becomes their reality.
Witch hunts...? You kiddin me? The Church? Yes the Church were fueling all of that, and liek I have said over and over in this thread, that propaganda was the creating a fear of a bogeyman, like the very 'Devil', via propaganda (that term, 'propaganda' actually originated with the Catholic church!) so as to coerce the gullible believers, who are told not to question the 'faith', to live a certain way and condone all kinds of evil against others.

EVEN in tribal cultures which are shamanic there will be the authority of the shaman who creates the reality for others. A present example is in the shamanic traditions of the upper Amazon where the story is, as promoted by shamans, that illness and disease is a result of 'magical darts' blown into unsuspecting individuals by 'brujos' and 'witches' (not to be confused with the western meaning of the latter term).
Apparently the belief is that only the shamans can see these darts in trance, and suck them out. BUT the underlying belief is that people are naturally aggressive, and so even the shaman must constantly fight against wanting to do harm to others.

So, I am not just questioning, unveiling, and critiquing the very powerful elite now, but also all structures of hierarchy which creates such stories whereby people have to assume a reality without question. This is why I emphasizing questioning. No matter if an ancient or modern tradition, open or hidden. These elites get their ideas of control FROM older controlling traditions obviously.

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But if we look at intelligence ( I know it's not a perfect measure - but it does measure something meaningful) we find that it is distributed on a bell curve - in other words by definition 50% of us are below average. I suspect if we were to measure (hypothetically) other traits (that have to do with our better natures) such as for example: sensitivity, kindness, generosity, etc. we would find a similar distribution. Thus a large segment of the population has never been particularly nice.




What does 'below average' mean?

Who set the test to assume this?

What segment of the population have never been particularly 'nice'? And who is saying this?


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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: zzripz]
    #24025373 - 01/20/17 11:31 AM (7 years, 10 days ago)

well did you see Trump's inauguration speech?

Did you hear all the 'God' talk? And the claiming that 'God is great' and 'sent 'his only son as ransom for our sins'?

So they are still, in this so-called 'secular' society, still ramming home THAT story is my point!

And of course they had the resident Rabbi giving his 'God talk' too.


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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: zzripz]
    #24025586 - 01/20/17 01:01 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

agreed the god stuff is nonsense
but i think it's a chicken and egg question (which came first?)
Trump didn't create the belief in the masses
he took advantage of a preexisting belief *
that people have because
they lack critical thinking skills
due to probably, causes such as:
lack of education
lack of interest
poor upbringing
being surrounded by other believers
lack of intelligence

*(as he is a manipulator aka politician)


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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: laughingdog]
    #24025624 - 01/20/17 01:10 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

loosely speaking

it seems to me that your expectations for humans are way too high
so therefore it seems to you our failure must be due to some group messing us up
I have a more cynical view of the lot of us, like many satirists
and am also unimpressed by our technology, almost every time I observe human behavior


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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: laughingdog]
    #24025652 - 01/20/17 01:21 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

Yes, and I think people like zz have accrued, for whatever reason, a psychologically perceived lack of control at various points in their lives, which leads them to posit controlling entities in order to compensate. It's relatively common.


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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #24025813 - 01/20/17 02:36 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

We're not being controlled exactly, more diverted, entertained, lied to, infiltrated, manipulated, extorted, herded, propositioned, compromised, fleeced, misdirected, given a puppet show, medicated, inebriated, killed, neuro-linguistically programmed, abused, addicted, divided, etc. 

IME it's not the failures of humanity but the duplicitous evil of the banking cabal who claim to be Jews but are the synagogue of Satan, the Sabbatean antichrist inversion cult with its pawns and useful idiots that's the issue

You don't need numerology to see it, even if they do use numerology.


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All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental.

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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: flickedbic]
    #24025844 - 01/20/17 02:50 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

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We're not being controlled exactly, more diverted, entertained, lied to, infiltrated, manipulated, extorted, herded, propositioned, compromised, fleeced, misdirected, given a puppet show, medicated, inebriated, killed, neuro-linguistically programmed, abused, addicted, divided, etc. 

IME it's not the failures of humanity but the duplicitous evil of the banking cabal who claim to be Jews but are the synagogue of Satan, the Sabbatean antichrist inversion cult with its pawns and useful idiots that's the issue

You don't need numerology to see it, even if they do use numerology.




when people talk about the evil cabal, and then not do anything about the cabal, are they useful idiots then?


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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: laughingdog]
    #24027382 - 01/21/17 05:07 AM (7 years, 9 days ago)

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agreed the god stuff is nonsense
but i think it's a chicken and egg question (which came first?)
Trump didn't create the belief in the masses
he took advantage of a preexisting belief *
that people have because
they lack critical thinking skills
due to probably, causes such as:
lack of education
lack of interest
poor upbringing
being surrounded by other believers
lack of intelligence

*(as he is a manipulator aka politician)




Be-cause of a predatory elite it suits for them to be that way. Dumbed down, and unquestioning. Made to be all the time busy busy busy trying to survive monetarily, and also saturated in the over stimulation of the 'entertainment' industry.

Of course people naturally have deep spiritual needs, but these belief systems substitute toxic stories which divide and control.


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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: laughingdog]
    #24027386 - 01/21/17 05:18 AM (7 years, 9 days ago)

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laughingdog said:
loosely speaking

it seems to me that your expectations for humans are way too high
so therefore it seems to you our failure must be due to some group messing us up
I have a more cynical view of the lot of us, like many satirists
and am also unimpressed by our technology, almost every time I observe human behavior




I take the other view when reading what you will say, and it seems to me that your expectations for humans are way too low

I speak from experience. I am just like you, no better or worse. Except unlike you this inquiry fascinates me because I have alys been a very inquisitive person. I think most children are, but the 'education' system is there to dumb all that natural curiousity down and make people willing slaves to the system, and thus they fear questioning the system, and try and police others who choose to.

an etymology of 'cynic':



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cynic (n.) Look up cynic at Dictionary.com
    mid-16c., in reference to the ancient philosophy, from Greek kynikos "a follower of Antisthenes," literally "dog-like," from kyon (genitive kynos) "dog" (see canine). Supposedly from the sneering sarcasm of the philosophers, but more likely from Kynosarge "Gray Dog," name of the gymnasium outside ancient Athens (for the use of those who were not pure Athenians) where the founder, Antisthenes (a pupil of Socrates), taught. Diogenes was the most famous. Popular association even in ancient times was "dog-like" (Lucian has kyniskos "a little cynic," literally "puppy"). Meaning "sneering sarcastic person" is from 1590s.




Political satire never goes deep enough for me. The comedian who epitomized satire was of course George Carlin.

I am simply a questioner.
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“If you’re an asker you’ll be a knower:
poetry’s knotty and wily-
the riddles you hear are windows,
and the door is enquiry…” –Gofraidh Fignn O’Dalaigh




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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: zzripz]
    #24027387 - 01/21/17 05:20 AM (7 years, 9 days ago)

the elites are just people too.

it's a people problem. people are irrational fucktards.


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