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psuedo-intellectual elitism/snobbery
    #4653594 - 09/13/05 02:20 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

well, there's a fair bit of it going around in S&P. do you think it's getting out of hand? also do you indulge in it?
Is the psuedo - intellectual snobbery in S&P getting out of hand?
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Are you a pseudo - intelectual elitist/snob?
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Re: psuedo-intellectual elitism/snobbery [Re: psychomime]
    #4656411 - 09/13/05 08:10 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

some interesting results! thanks to those who participated.


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Re: psuedo-intellectual elitism/snobbery [Re: psychomime]
    #4656433 - 09/13/05 08:15 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

This is why I hardly visit this forum anymore. Too much mental masturbation, too many theories being paraded as facts, and too many assumptions.


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Re: psuedo-intellectual elitism/snobbery [Re: psychomime]
    #4656463 - 09/13/05 08:23 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

For some, competition is a way of life. It's the only way they can relate to others and their world. They have never had an experience of unconditional love and so don't believe it exists as a state of being where one can operate from, all or in part. Therefore looking for common ground is only given lip service and never becomes an operating force when dealing with the world.

It would make sense that competition then, would be common here as people need to relate on some level no matter where they are coming from.

I don't think it's more out of hand then at any other time. :mushroom2:


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Re: psuedo-intellectual elitism/snobbery [Re: Icelander]
    #4656502 - 09/13/05 08:33 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

yeah i don't think it's out of hand, (it would be good if there was less of it though) it is annoying at times when discussions degenerate into one-upmanship. i tend to leave threads at point. (Although I am guilty of psuedo-intellectualism myself at times)


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Re: psuedo-intellectual elitism/snobbery [Re: psychomime]
    #4656650 - 09/13/05 09:16 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Most likely everyone of us is guilty of this, otherwise we wouldn't be here practicing. :grin:


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Re: psuedo-intellectual elitism/snobbery [Re: Icelander]
    #4656656 - 09/13/05 09:19 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

how right you are! you voted in "the how much stuff have you studied about stuff" thread yet? do it. do it now! :grin:


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Re: psuedo-intellectual elitism/snobbery [Re: psychomime]
    #4656657 - 09/13/05 09:19 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I always thought this thread reeked of pseudo-intellectual elitism.


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Re: psuedo-intellectual elitism/snobbery [Re: Silversoul]
    #4656665 - 09/13/05 09:21 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

well it better, it was created as a psuedo intellectual elitist ironic statement after all.


Edited by psychomime (09/13/05 09:22 PM)


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Re: psuedo-intellectual elitism/snobbery [Re: psychomime]
    #4658304 - 09/14/05 04:49 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, it's getting out of hand because it's getting in the way of sincere dialog and "philosophy" tends to consistently invade "spirituality" threads and clobbers them to the ground long before anything good can come from the original spiritual intent.

Philosophy has talked and talked about anything for centuries. So if you search the web you can come up with a philosophical school to annoy people, let's say that the excistence of Graffiticism can give you the right to spraypaint your tag across any thread you see.
We all know I'm mostly talking about Skepticism here, adopted by some only for the purpose of said mental masturbation and keeping others from getting there :grin:

Am I guilty of pseudo-intellectual BS? Yes, at times I am. Most of my BS is BS I sincerely believe in but occasionally I use teh skillzz when I suspect someone to be insincere. Trolling the trolls, let's say. But if I detect sincerity, I will be sincere too.

In the sandbox you have kids who try to build sand castles in the sun. Often you also have older kids who do little else than kicking these sandcastles all over the place just to see the looks on their faces.
I loathe that mentality.


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Re: psuedo-intellectual elitism/snobbery [Re: Asante]
    #4658472 - 09/14/05 06:31 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

yes very true. it would be great if people could keep their sceptism to themselves a little more and try and contribute something positive to a discussion. sceptism has it's place but that place is not in every discussion. It's amazing how much trouble some people will go to, to "correct" someone elses beliefs. I think there is a sincere desire to help other people. unfortunately that help tends to be based on an "I know what's true and you do not" worldview.


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Re: psuedo-intellectual elitism/snobbery [Re: psychomime]
    #4658520 - 09/14/05 07:20 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

it would be great if people could keep their sceptism to themselves a little more and try and contribute something positive to a discussion.
FALLACY ALERT! AHOOGHA! AHOOGHA!


Hmmm, which is more "positive", a fraudulent psychic that bilks people out of money or the skeptic who exposes the fraud?

Which is more "positive", a "healer" who claims that coffee enemas cure cancer or the skeptical researcher who debunks the claim?

sceptism has it's place but that place is not in every discussion.
And who is the determiner of what discussion it is acceptable in? Are you now the self-appointed supreme arbiter?


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Re: psuedo-intellectual elitism/snobbery [Re: Asante]
    #4658522 - 09/14/05 07:21 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Wiccan_Seeker said:
Yes, it's getting out of hand because it's getting in the way of sincere dialog and "philosophy" tends to consistently invade "spirituality" threads and clobbers them to the ground long before anything good can come from the original spiritual intent.

Philosophy has talked and talked about anything for centuries. So if you search the web you can come up with a philosophical school to annoy people, let's say that the excistence of Graffiticism can give you the right to spraypaint your tag across any thread you see.
We all know I'm mostly talking about Skepticism here, adopted by some only for the purpose of said mental masturbation and keeping others from getting there :grin:

Am I guilty of pseudo-intellectual BS? Yes, at times I am. Most of my BS is BS I sincerely believe in but occasionally I use teh skillzz when I suspect someone to be insincere. Trolling the trolls, let's say. But if I detect sincerity, I will be sincere too.

In the sandbox you have kids who try to build sand castles in the sun. Often you also have older kids who do little else than kicking these sandcastles all over the place just to see the looks on their faces.
I loathe that mentality.




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yes very true. it would be great if people could keep their sceptism to themselves a little more and try and contribute something positive to a discussion. sceptism has it's place but that place is not in every discussion. It's amazing how much trouble some people will go to, to "correct" someone elses beliefs. I think there is a sincere desire to help other people. unfortunately that help tends to be based on an "I know what's true and you do not" worldview.




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Re: psuedo-intellectual elitism/snobbery [Re: Swami]
    #4658542 - 09/14/05 07:45 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Swami said:
it would be great if people could keep their sceptism to themselves a little more and try and contribute something positive to a discussion.
FALLACY ALERT! AHOOGHA! AHOOGHA!


Hmmm, which is more "positive", a fraudulent psychic that bilks people out of money or the skeptic who exposes the fraud?

Which is more "positive", a "healer" who claims that coffee enemas cure cancer or the skeptical researcher who debunks the claim?

sceptism has it's place but that place is not in every discussion.
And who is the determiner of what discussion it is acceptable in? Are you now the self-appointed supreme arbiter?




oh no! it is the champion of sceptism! he has come to take my words out of context and render me a quivering mess with his superior sceptical mightiness! I shall flee, my obviously fraudulent thoughts and opinions shrivelling in the light of reason! oh! damned fool I was to think!


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Re: psuedo-intellectual elitism/snobbery [Re: Swami]
    #4658557 - 09/14/05 07:55 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Hmmm, which is more "positive", a fraudulent psychic that bilks people out of money or the skeptic who exposes the fraud?




Both are more "positive" than a skeptic who deliberately uses plain dishonesty as a tool to get what he wants. The "fraudulent psychic that bilks people out of money" most often is a skeptic, because if you fake being a psychic, you are not a psychic nor hold the Gift :fairy: in high regard and if you believed in psychic phenomena you wouldn't dream of committing such fraud if the spirits are watching.


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Re: psuedo-intellectual elitism/snobbery [Re: psychomime]
    #4658574 - 09/14/05 08:05 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Nothing was taken out of context. Do you even know what that means or is that merely a preprogrammed response?

Basically you are telling the audience that you are unable or unwilling to answer some simple questions. Did you want people here to merely agree with your ideas?


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Re: psuedo-intellectual elitism/snobbery [Re: Swami]
    #4658957 - 09/14/05 11:51 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

:yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod:


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Re: psuedo-intellectual elitism/snobbery [Re: Swami]
    #4661633 - 09/14/05 08:43 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Basically you are telling the audience that you are unable or unwilling to answer some simple questions. Did you want people here to merely agree with your ideas?




ok swami, In all your specific examples, I agree that scepticism is appropiate. no I do not want people to merely agree with my ideas. I also don't want people to assume that every opinion or idea not expressed by themselves is an affront to their precious reason.


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Re: psuedo-intellectual elitism/snobbery [Re: psychomime]
    #4663262 - 09/15/05 01:30 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

yet you posted what you posted. surely you must have had some reason to post those things in the first place! swami found fault in the way you expressed yourself. can you refine your expression in such a way that the logical problems swami brought up no longer apply?

IOW why did you post what you posted? i sincerely doubt it was "for no good reason after all". you must have seen something real that motivated you.


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Re: psuedo-intellectual elitism/snobbery [Re: psychomime]
    #4665365 - 09/15/05 03:45 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I constantly see people who are truly intelligent being labeled as "pretentious" or "pseudo-intellectual" by jealous folks who are less intelligent than them.

Though, I have spent some time with people that I felt truly represented what it meant to be pretentious, which was quite unpleasant.


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