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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: akira_akuma]
#24004340 - 01/12/17 02:41 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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akira_akuma said: probably. the goat often will try to gore it's keeper, so i'm sure she likes goats- to add her immortal blood into the recipe, she does what she needs to.
My friend has a property that the neighbors goat used to come on to come on to his tenant. It was particularly bad when she was menstruating that goat wanted to butt her butt then.
Anyway, this guy goes over there one night and "gets into it" with the goat. Ends up smacking the goat with an anchor a few times then wraps a heavy chain around it's head in between the goat trying to butt the fuck out of his narrow ass. Pretty funny story. Goat owner comes over was bitching my buddy fucked up his on the run aggressive goat.
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: LunarEclipse]
#24004362 - 01/12/17 02:47 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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goat's have no fear, they stand on sheer vertical cliff walls, for fucks sakes.
no wonder they get such a bad rep. they hate menstruating and smelly ladies who stink like they might bear children.
the devil never sleeps, if you consider the goat's tenacity.
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: akira_akuma]
#24004376 - 01/12/17 02:50 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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akira_akuma said: goat's have no fear, they stand on sheer vertical cliff walls, for fucks sakes.
no wonder they get such a bad rep. they hate menstruating and smelly ladies who stink like they might bear children.
the devil never sleeps, if you consider the goat's tenacity.
one day i took on a whole herd of long horn cows up the hill. split off the calf momma came at me i had a fucking two pound rock in my hand and yelled "NO" and she backed off. this after me turning my back on her and she charging me.
fuck i got hella fucking lucky that day not to die.
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: LunarEclipse]
#24004408 - 01/12/17 03:01 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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i wonder how many Indian graves are marked "killed by Krshna's beloved herd - blesséd be, with libations of pee".
(yeah, i had a staring context once with some cows, that was fun- there was a fence separating us though. but good job on convincing mom you stole one of her calves...stupid cow. )
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#24004430 - 01/12/17 03:08 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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No, stupid me for walking down the middle of the herd splitting calf to one side. A few days later I took them on again, threw a rock at mom who was literally pawing at the ground before coming at me. I had to run down the hill I could see their horns over the crest fucking slow ass cows it's unreal. Cows are big!
I have a deer that loves me that walked a few feet from me. Deer are big too. Deer are sketchy as fuck too I'd trust a cow to at least not completely sketch like a deer will. Had some deer bounce off a fence the other day wham, then jumps it and saunters off like it didn't hurt. You fucking know it hurt! Cocky deer.
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: LunarEclipse]
#24004455 - 01/12/17 03:15 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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lol, deer are awesome. once, me and a friend were talking and walking through the woods, and i was like looking back at him, as he was behind me, and i was talking and walking along, when suddenly i turn around to face my front and BAM a big ass deer is right in front of me, staring at me, head high like 
i admit, i yelped...i didn't expect him to be there. he scared the shit out of me, nearly. funny thing is, he just stood there, staring...i looked back thinking "how didn't i see that coming, this thing is huge"- and it was, huge and shiny. it basically amounted to a hallucination, it was literally the most detailed thing (it's coat) i ever laid eyes on...much erm...more fascinating then say the coat of a horse or something. (PS: horseback- so fun. that shit is keen. 'cept when you've got a stubborn horse that doesn't like you and runs you into tree branches, against your wishes! son of a bitch could have knocked me off! but it's ok, i just broke through a bunch of tree branches, flailing my arms around like a tool. could have got stabbed in the eye, too!)
oh yeah, the deer just walked off...my friend got a good laugh too. i honestly thought about it later like...why did that deer react or do anything? it was just...random.)
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: akira_akuma]
#24004489 - 01/12/17 03:24 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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We came upon a big buck once it was above us then jumped over us that was freaky shit. Right over us and down the trail it had been on a big rock.
Yeah deer can't see for shit is the problem. They really can't.
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: LunarEclipse]
#24004524 - 01/12/17 03:33 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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fo'real? that's why he didn't like do anything...dude, i was RIGHT in front of him, like...seriously...i have never hunted deer...i might as well have been loading him on the bed of a truck. i was that close. i nearly walked into the fuckin' guy. it was just looking at me, off to it's side...you're saying it could barely see me, perhaps? does it have poorer frontal vision, or what?
PS: a deer jumped over you? that's pretty badass. deer are obviously pretty cool. they don't give a fuck.
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: akira_akuma]
#24004563 - 01/12/17 03:44 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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akira_akuma said: fo'real? that's why he didn't like do anything...dude, i was RIGHT in front of him, like...seriously...i have never hunted deer...i might as well have been loading him on the bed of a truck. i was that close. i nearly walked into the fuckin' guy. it was just looking at me, off to it's side...you're saying it could barely see me, perhaps? does it have poorer frontal vision, or what?
PS: a deer jumped over you? that's pretty badass. deer are obviously pretty cool. they don't give a fuck.
my friend literally had a deer freeze in front of him and was blocking the road. he tapped the deer with his car and it freaked. you've heard the expression the deer in the headlights, well it's true, they just freak out and freeze. i don't think they see that well either, maybe to the sides but not forward must be a herd thing or something.
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: LunarEclipse]
#24004632 - 01/12/17 04:07 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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yeah, that's strange, it's almost like they can see fine to the side, and seem more comfortable with that, then that which is in front of them...what's in front seems to confound them, in a sense.
lol, how did it freak out? did it like lash out, or just launch like a speeding bullet away?
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#24004665 - 01/12/17 04:17 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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akira_akuma said: yeah, that's strange, it's almost like they can see fine to the side, and seem more comfortable with that, then that which is in front of them...what's in front seems to confound them, in a sense.
lol, how did it freak out? did it like lash out, or just launch like a speeding bullet away?
speeding bullet.
my deer, aka Polly, who I feed crackers etc to, is a case in point. Motion in front freaks them out. Their reaction is to run. Most predators would try to circle around and do the rear end run. So, they watch most keenly on the sides.
Anyway, if I frisbee the cracker I can almost hit Polly in the head without her even seeing it. Kind of funny. As long as I make one quick motion, she doesn't register, a flick of the wrist kind of thing.
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: laughingdog]
#24004688 - 01/12/17 04:27 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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laughingdog said: "Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us?"
well I suppose you could say TV and movies have this effect and use this method
advertising which uses still images works by simple association and is also effective
the issue I have with the idea is in the 3 words: "a predatory elite"
it would seem there are many competing corporations, governments, hackers, cartels, mercinaries, conglomerates, currency manipulators, advertisers, media, wealthy families, and in general bad guys - so that the idea of a single mastermind or unified group seems unlikely.
Unfortunately the result of so much bad energy has had a unified effect of continual war - for centuries, and more recently of world wide pollution.
The other long result of civilization has been inequality - in this case for thousands of years - and therefore not a result of the manipulations of current power seekers.
To what degree war has been a result of myth making is perhaps an interesting question. Certainly some wars have been started by lies. Others seem to be the result of population pressures.
Pollution would not seem to be caused by "storytelling".
Likewise anthropolocial studies of the rise of inequality in different cultures does not point to "storytelling" as the cause. Again we are looking at thousands of years in this case.
So, (even skipping individual psychological factors) human misery cannot be blamed on "a predatory elite" that attempts to control us in my opinion.
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"Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us?"
well I suppose you could say TV and movies have this effect and use this method
advertising which uses still images works by simple association and is also effective
the issue I have with the idea is in the 3 words: "a predatory elite"
Good question! You are wondering how come all these differing groups can be called out to be under an umbrella term I call a predatory elite? And Divided Quantum agrees there is and 'always has been' a 1% of a mega rich group:
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It has been about the 1% since time immemorial, and if you really look, it has been about the 1% in the U.S. since its beginning. The Founding Fathers were really principally interested in the 1%. And this has carried on toward the present. They don't have to manipulate us through stories. They simply have all the power, and are basically untouchable.
I wonder we understand what unimaginable wealth could be like. Would they NOT have the power to form a pyramidal hierarchical structure where all these seeming separate interests are not rather dancing to the same piper?
This is how it works in the military, and is known as The Chain of Command, and it is where the many 'subordinates' to the power over them at the 'top' (which is relatively small in comparison) MUST obey orders, and cannot question them or else they face severe punishment. IE a good example of that is Bradley Manning!!
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In his statement, Manning talked about how the more he saw of the secret databases of information he was reviewing as an intelligence analyst in Iraq, the more he was alarmed about the costs of war, both for innocent Iraqi civilians and for American society. "I believed if the public, particularly the American public, could see this it could spark a debate on the military and our foreign policy in general [that] might cause society to reconsider the need to engage in counterterrorism while ignoring the human situation of the people we engaged with every day."
Well same is so of this civlization. The wants of the top elite will be demanded to be met by the subordinate groups which bring them the profits which keep them getting richer and richer and more powerful etc etc. That WANT this to continue, and they very well will spin stories to do that. because when we are immersed in their stories they have to do far less to police us, because we do it to ourselves and each other. This is what '9/11' surely was about and its deliberate bringing about the so-called 'war on terror' which gives them pretext for perpetual war, because war brings them extremely substantial profits.
I have mentioned context, pretext, but have not mentioned subtext yet:
[hmmm interesting, there doesn't seem to be any etymology of this term]
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The implicit meaning of a text, often a literary one, or a speech or dialogue.
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A literary text often has more than one meaning: the literal meaning of the words on the page, and their hidden meaning, what exists "between the lines"—the subtext. Arthur Miller's play The Crucible, for example, is about the Salem witchcraft trials of the 17th century, but its subtext is the comparison of those trials with the "witch hunts" of the 1950s, when many people were unfairly accused of being communists. Even a social conversation between a man and a woman may have a subtext, but you may have to listen very closely to figure out what it is. Don't confuse subtext with subplot, a less important plot that moves along in parallel with the main plot.
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: zzripz]
#24004783 - 01/12/17 04:56 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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The predatory elite are killing themselves, as well as us the little people. Sure, "they" have some cures we aren't being told about, but I would count on them being able to stop their mad destruction.
We may be exploited, but we are all in this thing together.
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: zzripz]
#24004808 - 01/12/17 05:05 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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Also regarding mythos and logos, I want to make note of this which can be looked at as part of this story~~~ Mythos & Logos: Two Ways of Explaining the World
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I find it useful when discussing this distinction to consider the Greek words from which our English words “logical” and “mythical” have been derived, logos and mythos. Both Greek words can be translated as something like “story” or “account”; mythical thinking and logical thinking both provide an account of the world, but they do so in very different ways. Those using logical thinking approach the world scientifically and empirically. They look for explanations using observable facts, controlled experiments, and deductive proofs. Truth discovered through logos seeks to be objective and universal. Those using mythical thinking, on the other hand, approach the world through less direct, more intuitive means. A person might gain poetic insights into the nature of the world by seeing a caterpillar emerge from a cocoon or watching a full moon rise as the sun sets. Truth discovered through mythos is more subjective, based on individual feelings and experiences.
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: zzripz]
#24006536 - 01/13/17 08:33 AM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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there is something wrong here. Something not being admitted to/known/acknowledged.
In both the latter quote and the quote above about how in ancient Greece there happened this conflict between mythos and logos. IE presuming that they are two completely different worldviews.
It is being implied there is no logic in mythos and no mythos in logos!
Well if we understand for example textual mythology, there surely has been logic applied. IE if you read The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross there has been a lot of logos applied regarding composing myths in layers of meaning which included the literary devices of transliteration, wordplay and pun, the use of dead languages such as Sumerian. As well as this there is numerology, gematria, symbolism, occult astrology etc.
So it is a lie to claim mythos is not including logic
Even preceding the invention of writing, mythos and logos can never BE apart because they always form a dynamic
So what about logical philosophy, and even science then? Does myths lurk about in these disciplines, and practices?
Of course, because you cannot ever split dynamics. it would be like trying to split eg magnet's poles, all you would get would be 'smaller' magnet but always with the polar relations.
Can we split darkness and light? No. So I see the same with mythos and logos. When the latter presumes you can is when mythos becomes un-conscious. IMAGES form willy nilly. So we now have scientism with its image of 'only matter'/'materialism'. 'Only dead nature', other species and even humans are commodities. All these becomes the unacknowledged story/mythology; meanwhile they purveyors of this myth believe it is all based on logos!
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: zzripz]
#24009200 - 01/14/17 08:58 AM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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So we can have subtext of text of course, but of images also.
What are the texts and images, which include symbols and numbers and numbered letters (gematria) conveying? Is it, shhhhh, secret?
Are the real meanings only to be known by a predatory elite with insider knowledge?
Could is be possible the image by and for this group be an OWL which subtextually is meaning those who are 'superior' and can 'see in the dark' and take unknowing prey by surprise as it/the Owl swoops down for the kill?
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: zzripz]
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too many questions, Grasshopper; focus on one thing and let the light spread from that.
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: redgreenvines]
#24009606 - 01/14/17 11:35 AM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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they're interconnected
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: zzripz]
#24009632 - 01/14/17 11:48 AM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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Dirk Gently might have something to say about that
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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: redgreenvines]
#24009807 - 01/14/17 01:22 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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The funny part of this idea of 'a predatory elite' is that although, it presents itself, as a modern and profound idea known only to the congnizanti or smart insiders, it actually functions psychologically in the minds of those who believe it, exactly the way the Christian idea of the Devil has for hundreds or thousands of years, in the minds of those who believed in that notion.
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