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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #24019107 - 01/18/17 03:56 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

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Dates of random events corresponding to vague numerological ideas is definitely coincidence. One can easily cherry pick events and manipulate numbers to draw conclusions. It's called confirmation bias.

So did they pick Trump to fit their agenda or did they pick him so that his birthday would have a numerological connection with the day after his inauguration? What reason do they have for picking someone who has a numerological connection? Surely they know that the conspiracy theorists of the world are expert number manipulators. Why would they pick a secret message system that is so easily broken? All this planning of events just to have a supposed subtext of 'order from chaos'. None of it makes sense.

You should probably do a little less research into numerology and a little more into logic.




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You should probably do a little less research into numerology and a little more into logic.




And you should maybe pay more attention to the thread of this thread so you don't get too lost down the rabbit hole.
I have mentioned above about mythos and logos. You cannot delve into this slippery subject believing all you need is logic, as though logic is supreme and superior over mythos.
You have to understand dynamic interplay between mythos and logos. This is how they can be hidden in plain sight, because they have got 'intellectually educated' people like yourself so in worship of 'Logic' that just the exploration of this subject seems absolutely crazy and 'illogical' to you. Am I right or am I right?...Yet, yet, something is pulling you towards it like fly to a trap. LOL

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Dates of random events corresponding to vague numerological ideas is definitely coincidence. One can easily cherry pick events and manipulate numbers to draw conclusions. It's called confirmation bias.




'definitely coincidence'. See what you say, and your approach? You've already made you mind up, and yet I bet you know only a fraction of what they do.

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So did they pick Trump to fit their agenda or did they pick him so that his birthday would have a numerological connection with the day after his inauguration? What reason do they have for picking someone who has a numerological connection? Surely they know that the conspiracy theorists of the world are expert number manipulators. Why would they pick a secret message system that is so easily broken? All this planning of events just to have a supposed subtext of 'order from chaos'. None of it makes sense.




None of it makes sense to you. But it is they who believe in all this.

Why do you think that all the three Bush's, grandpa, daddy, and son were all picked to be members of the Skull and Bones SECRET society? Both senior AND junior Bush's became presidents of the United States of America. Coincident??

So what's my point? I don't think Trump just randomly got his sorry self into the Whitehouse. Look at this video. Checkout the subtext!



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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: zzripz]
    #24019402 - 01/18/17 09:07 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

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None of it makes sense to you. But it is they who believe in all this.





You are the only one who believes 'they believe all this'.


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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: Crazy_Horse]
    #24019424 - 01/18/17 09:17 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

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None of it makes sense to you. But it is they who believe in all this.





You are the only one who believes 'they believe all this'.




No, if you think your using logic then that sentence is wrong. I may be the only one in this thread, but obviously I am not the only researcher who believes 'they believe all this'.

Did you watch the video I just linked you to?

What are your thoughts on it?


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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: zzripz]
    #24019428 - 01/18/17 09:18 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

Researchers, lol. That's my thoughts.


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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: Crazy_Horse]
    #24019437 - 01/18/17 09:24 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

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Researchers, lol. That's my thoughts.




so your purpose here is to troll? If you haven't got anything sensible to add either obey the rules or go away.


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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: zzripz]
    #24019516 - 01/18/17 09:59 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

The number of people who agree with you is not relevant to the fact that the reasoning you are using is not logical.

What are my thought about a mattress commercial? Not much.


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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: zzripz] * 1
    #24019570 - 01/18/17 10:23 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

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I have mentioned above about mythos and logos. You cannot delve into this slippery subject believing all you need is logic, as though logic is supreme and superior over mythos.




Myth basically translates to 'making shit up' which is fine in its place, but does not lead to valid claims about objective reality. For that you need evidence and logical reasoning from that evidence.

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You have to understand dynamic interplay between mythos and logos. This is how they can be hidden in plain sight, because they have got 'intellectually educated' people like yourself so in worship of 'Logic' that just the exploration of this subject seems absolutely crazy and 'illogical' to you. Am I right or am I right?...Yet, yet, something is pulling you towards it like fly to a trap. LOL




This is just complete nonsense. So now the valuing of logic is a conspiracy? Fucking asinine.

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None of it makes sense to you. But it is they who believe in all this.




They believe what? Do they think that setting up events in a certain way to have numerological significance will cause things to happen in some occult way? Or are they just pointlessly sending messages via subtext?

If the former, then apparently you think that a bunch of delusional morons are pulling the strings of major events the world over, which is totally implausible. Not even a group of sane people could exert so much power as to do these things. People and events are too chaotic.

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Why do you think that all the three Bush's, grandpa, daddy, and son were all picked to be members of the Skull and Bones SECRET society? Both senior AND junior Bush's became presidents of the United States of America. Coincident??




Yes, coincidence. What about all the skull and bones members who weren't presidents? What about all the presidents who weren't skull and bones members? Confirmation bias.

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So what's my point? I don't think Trump just randomly got his sorry self into the Whitehouse. Look at this video. Checkout the subtext!




A mattress commercial:burke:

GTFO buddy.


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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: Crazy_Horse]
    #24019662 - 01/18/17 11:07 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

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The number of people who agree with you is not relevant to the fact that the reasoning you are using is not logical.

What are my thought about a mattress commercial? Not much.





...exactly :rolleyes:


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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: Crazy_Horse]
    #24019755 - 01/18/17 11:45 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

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The number of people who agree with you is not relevant to the fact that the reasoning you are using is not logical.

What are my thought about a mattress commercial? Not much.




The 9 11 reference was interesting in the sheep(le?) numbering.

I am pretty sure Kate Bush is in on this too.



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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #24019778 - 01/18/17 11:55 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

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I have mentioned above about mythos and logos. You cannot delve into this slippery subject believing all you need is logic, as though logic is supreme and superior over mythos.




Myth basically translates to 'making shit up' which is fine in its place, but does not lead to valid claims about objective reality. For that you need evidence and logical reasoning from that evidence.

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You have to understand dynamic interplay between mythos and logos. This is how they can be hidden in plain sight, because they have got 'intellectually educated' people like yourself so in worship of 'Logic' that just the exploration of this subject seems absolutely crazy and 'illogical' to you. Am I right or am I right?...Yet, yet, something is pulling you towards it like fly to a trap. LOL




This is just complete nonsense. So now the valuing of logic is a conspiracy? Fucking asinine.

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None of it makes sense to you. But it is they who believe in all this.




They believe what? Do they think that setting up events in a certain way to have numerological significance will cause things to happen in some occult way? Or are they just pointlessly sending messages via subtext?

If the former, then apparently you think that a bunch of delusional morons are pulling the strings of major events the world over, which is totally implausible. Not even a group of sane people could exert so much power as to do these things. People and events are too chaotic.

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Why do you think that all the three Bush's, grandpa, daddy, and son were all picked to be members of the Skull and Bones SECRET society? Both senior AND junior Bush's became presidents of the United States of America. Coincident??




Yes, coincidence. What about all the skull and bones members who weren't presidents? What about all the presidents who weren't skull and bones members? Confirmation bias.

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So what's my point? I don't think Trump just randomly got his sorry self into the Whitehouse. Look at this video. Checkout the subtext!




A mattress commercial:burke:

GTFO buddy.




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Myth basically translates to 'making shit up' which is fine in its place, but does not lead to valid claims about objective reality. For that you need evidence and logical reasoning from that evidence.




Which shows you know extremely little about how mythological text and symbolism is constructed which uses logic. In order to create levels of meaning in text, and using numerology and gematria there has to be a logical sense also, obviously, even if that doesn't make sense to your version of logic. This is why I mean logos and mythos are never really separate at all. Only in your mindset does logic totally override myths, as though mythos is now dead. That way of thinking is dangerous because your mythmaking willy nilly becomes unconscious. This is how materialism and the notion of a dead world has come about. it is a toxic myth, but is unacknowledged as being myth and is assumed to be a superior logic which now is the only way of understanding reality.

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This is just complete nonsense. So now the valuing of logic is a conspiracy? Fucking asinine.




More so ignore-ance. You use the term asinine.


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    c. 1600, "obstinate, stupid," from Latin asininus "stupid," literally "like an ass," from asinus "ass," also "dolt, blockhead" (see ass (n.1)). The literal sense in English is recorded from 1620s.




Hmmm sounds like your approach. it is not even questioning. When I presented that video, any geniune attitude from someone not familiar with a subject would for example say 'well what is it supposed to mean according to you'. But you shout how logical you are, and yet do not even ask questions. because like said, you are already obstinately assured you know this is all crazy.

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They believe what? Do they think that setting up events in a certain way to have numerological significance will cause things to happen in some occult way? Or are they just pointlessly sending messages via subtext?

If the former, then apparently you think that a bunch of delusional morons are pulling the strings of major events the world over, which is totally implausible. Not even a group of sane people could exert so much power as to do these things. People and events are too chaotic.




Like I say, they must do, or else they wouldn't do this occult sht would they. I do not do it. I don't plan my day, week, life with numbers, and symbols, do I? But I am looking at how they are doing it. Becoming aware of their subtext, of the patterns they use.
Apparently Freemasons use secret hanshakes with each other to communicate they are part of the same club. I don't do those hanshakes, but know about that. See the difference, logically?

Yes they are delusional morons, but they do what they do and are destroying everything. Of course they are not in control with everything, but are behind world-changing events such as false flags and psyops (psychological operations). I take it you've heard of propaganda, yeah?

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What about all the skull and bones members who weren't presidents? What about all the presidents who weren't skull and bones members? Confirmation bias.




I was making the point that it isn't random people who get to be presidents. They are usually connected with secret societies, and have occult stuff connected with their names, etc.
List of Presidents of the United States who were Freemasons
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A mattress commercial:burke:

GTFO buddy.



Like I say, it is your attitude which is the one blocking yourself from further inquiry, because if your not willing to look and ask questions how can you even learn. How can you learn to even argue against it?

think of a tutor telling her students to study 'conspiracy theory' so they can present two sides of an argument. the ones who said 'ahhhh conspiracy theory is too crazy, I am not gonna bother evn looking at it, or ask questions about it'. Then that's it isn't it? You won't even know what you are against!


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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: zzripz]
    #24020423 - 01/18/17 03:35 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

Now, it is very interesting that this mainstream newspaper is at least noticing number patterns....? YAY :congrats:

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"11/9 is the new 9/11": Americans liken Trump's win to most devastating day in country's history
The similarity in dates hasn't gone unnoticed as US citizens call the election result "America's worst nightmare"

Devastated Americans have likened the US Presidential election result to the most tragic day in the country's history, 9/11.

The date of the announcement that billionaire businessman Donald Trump will be the next President has not gone unnoticed by US citizens.

November 9 is written as 11/9 in the USA - the reverse of September 11 or 9/11.

And many are comparing the two with some calling it "America's worst nightmare" - worse than the death of 3,000 citizens on that day 15 years ago.


emphasis mine

Ironically the paper does not realize this is not just accidental, coincidental, or even synchronistic but rather a deliberate occult code.
And the video I linked to in previous post proves that!


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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: zzripz]
    #24020696 - 01/18/17 05:07 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

Another very important thing I wish to stress, even though I have possibly said it before in this thread:

IF you disregard your mythical dimensions which go very deep, and accentuate 'logic' as though it is your sole superior being, and reality, rather than a tool which is in unison with a mythical sense of reality, then these toxic mythmakers take advantage of your unconsciousness and manipulate your dreaming mind. That is exactly what is going on! And this is why it is really important to become aware how they are doing this, not only in advertising and propaganda but in their other occultist doings.

Of course this makes us ask the question(s) so what is a benign story that is not the insane ones these people push which seem all about love of perpetual warfare, exploitation of others, including other species, and ecocide?

Looking into their subtext/behind their facade you begin finding out what really fuels their beliefs and actions.


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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: zzripz]
    #24020917 - 01/18/17 06:29 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

You've gone off the deep end. It's totally ridiculous to claim that a bunch of occultists are controlling world events to this level.

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And the video I linked to in previous post proves that!




You don't know what constitutes proof.


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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #24021999 - 01/19/17 05:23 AM (7 years, 11 days ago)

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You've gone off the deep end. It's totally ridiculous to claim that a bunch of occultists are controlling world events to this level.

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And the video I linked to in previous post proves that!




You don't know what constitutes proof.




your 'argument' is the epitome of ignore ~ ance.

For HOW do you even know the video is what I say unless you take time to even ask what I mean regarding it. Rather you are aloof to even delving into this subject. You ignore what is being presented to you to study, because you have already made your mind up:

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You've gone off the deep end. It's totally ridiculous to claim that a bunch of occultists are controlling world events to this level.




How do you know this if you fear looking into it to see if you are right?


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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: zzripz]
    #24022011 - 01/19/17 05:37 AM (7 years, 11 days ago)

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We've been in an information age for some time...
How can someone exploit and control you in such an age unless you allow yourself to be exploited and controlled by not seeking to be informed...?

Do myopic greedy and powerful people vie for control over the lessor minded individual of society? Yes... But isn't that how its always been? The true enemy is oneself. If you don't respect or seek the truth, you lay privy to lies and garbage.

The rest are just details..




Yes we are in the so-called 'information age' and people have at their hands such an overwhelming possibility of research into all kinds of things, and yet many do not even try to. I ask why? Is it fear. Is it some kind of propaganda trick/spell put on them by clever authoritarian groups to make them not look at alternative theories to information?

I think so.

As has been explained above, this is exactly why the term 'conspiracy theory' came to the public mind via mass media soon after the JFK assassination, as a way to make people police themselves and others from investigating off the beaten track/away from the official story.
Now they are also using the term 'fake news'--VERY ironically--to do the same.
Can you not see this psyop?

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How can someone exploit and control you in such an age unless you allow yourself to be exploited and controlled by not seeking to be informed...?




That sounds very neat and easy peasy, and is quite naive. For it is underestimating the EFFORTS they put into controlling others, via their advertising techniques, where they spend millions and millions to do so, as well as propaganda, religious and political,.
and the whole subworld of occultism.
They torture animals to discover newer and newer ways to do the same to people!

However you are right if you then dig what I am doing. I am encouraging you to LOOK and question. Authoritarianism hates questions, and questioning, because they are trying to impose their stories on you and depend on blind acceptance or false choices which keep you in their loop.

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Do myopic greedy and powerful people vie for control over the lessor minded individual of society? Yes... But isn't that how its always been? The true enemy is oneself. If you don't respect or seek the truth, you lay privy to lies and garbage.




What do you mean by 'always'? 5,000 years, 10, 000? To mean 'always' as in everyone at all times forever much suffer this shit, then that alone is defeatist, and is a myth they love you to believe. That your oppression is inevitable. This is why they have pushed and funded stories like social darwinism.


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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: zzripz]
    #24022020 - 01/19/17 05:41 AM (7 years, 11 days ago)

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zzripz said:
Another very important thing I wish to stress, even though I have possibly said it before in this thread:

IF you disregard your mythical dimensions which go very deep, and accentuate 'logic' as though it is your sole superior being, and reality, rather than a tool which is in unison with a mythical sense of reality, then these toxic mythmakers take advantage of your unconsciousness and manipulate your dreaming mind. That is exactly what is going on! And this is why it is really important to become aware how they are doing this, not only in advertising and propaganda but in their other occultist doings.

Of course this makes us ask the question(s) so what is a benign story that is not the insane ones these people push which seem all about love of perpetual warfare, exploitation of others, including other species, and ecocide?

Looking into their subtext/behind their facade you begin finding out what really fuels their beliefs and actions.




A fool reaches into the abyss in exchange for earthly gains.
The abyss reaches back for something far more valuable.

Mythically speaking, the details of such foolery should not be of concern to the well-directed except to avoid visits and exchanges themselves. As for its presence and somewhat dominance in this world, that lies along a more ultimate progression and resolution. The predator of one species is the prey of another.




Well ultimately these people I refer to seem to want 'immortality' and see nature as a 'murderer'. And yet they belong to death cults like Skull and Bones. They're insane.


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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: zzripz]
    #24022112 - 01/19/17 06:42 AM (7 years, 11 days ago)

my dreams are pretty much exploiting the natural storytelling genius...whenever i have an interesting one, my brain blocks it out from my memory. shit-fuck-piss-balls.


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    #24022362 - 01/19/17 09:11 AM (7 years, 11 days ago)

This is interesting. These people belong to secret societies, and a famous one, which generations of the Bush family went to, grandpa, senior and junior Bush's, is known as Skull and Bones, and there is also a number associated with it, 322. Now there are more associations to do with this nuimber I will go into later, but regarding their belief in 'immortality' dig this:

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Genesis 3:22 New King James Version (NKJV)
22 Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”




So, if so, where does this belief in/story of 'immortality' come from. This means looking at patriarchal history and its solar-phallic mythos.

First off, how is this term 'immortal' defined? its etymology:


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immortal (adj.) Look up immortal at Dictionary.com
    late 14c., "deathless," from Latin immortalis "deathless, undying" (of gods), "imperishable, endless" (of fame, love, work, etc.), from assimilated form of in- "not, opposite of" (see in- (1)) + mortalis "mortal" (see mortal (adj.)). In reference to fame, literature, etc., "unceasing, destined to endure forever, never to be forgotten, lasting a long time," attested from early 15c. (also in classical Latin). As a noun, "an immortal being," from 1680s.




deathless?

In its solar-phallic mythic interpretation, the belief is dualistic. Dualism divides 'death' from 'life' and assumes you can have one without the other. Not understanding it is a dynamic.

It is comical how such groups, many who have great unimaginable wealth and power, and are greedy for more and more, would inevitably embrace a story which promised them more and more unending wealth and power, because for them death in its fullest sense would mean the end of their fat greedy grabbing take take take self, true? But they want exclusive power whether material power or 'spiritual'.

They love to see their lineage connected with the ancient mystery schools, which also mostly were solar-phallic. This theor stories claimed nature and the body were evil traps, and women seducers keeping the evil game going, and initiation was escape from all of them into am immortal spiritual realm.

But now the belief has morphed into creating an 'immortal' 'body' here via occultist and technological knowledge and power, and this is where the idea of 'transhumanism' (H+ for short) comes from. This story is of course is very similar to the Christian story of changing nature into a spiritualized version where 'death' is conquered, and where dead bodies all begin to resurrect as 'glorified' new bods, and the lion shall lie down with the lamb etc etc.

Terrence McKenna who was a psychedelic transhumanist went on about the possibility/story of downloading consciousness one's into a computer and gaining immortality.


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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: zzripz]
    #24022414 - 01/19/17 09:31 AM (7 years, 11 days ago)

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For HOW do you even know the video is what I say unless you take time to even ask what I mean regarding it. Rather you are aloof to even delving into this subject. You ignore what is being presented to you to study, because you have already made your mind up:




Go ahead, enlighten us as to how mattresses and CGI sheep are occultist symbols. Are all the other mattress commercials with those same CGI sheep also occultist, or just the one with Donald Trump so you can shoehorn it into your narrative?

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How do you know this if you fear looking into it to see if you are right?




I don't fear looking into it; I just have better things to do with my time. Of course it is possible that a bunch of occultists control world events, but the likelihood is almost zero. People are too incompetent to do such a thing. The world is too chaotic for it to be plausible that a predatory elite controls things to such a degree that they can line up world events so that their dates have obscure occult significance.

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But now the belief has morphed into creating an 'immortal' 'body' here via occultist and technological knowledge and power, and this is where the idea of 'transhumanism' (H+ for short) comes from




Transhumanism did not come from your network of secret societies. People don't want to die. The pining for immortality is not unique to supposed occultist elites, it's basically a basic human trait.


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Re: Does a predatory elite exploit our natural storytelling genius to control us? [Re: zzripz]
    #24022545 - 01/19/17 10:10 AM (7 years, 11 days ago)

I would like to know why you think this is so important. Lets pretend that you are right. What good is knowing all this stuff. Are you better off than all the people who don't know about it?


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