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Re: Natural/Man Made [Re: SpecialEd]
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h, and as for trumpets that grow in the wild...Certain sea conchs produce a horn sound when blown.

An animal skeleton of calcium carbonate is now the same as a refined and shaped brass tube? That's it. Keep losing credibility.  :headbang:


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Re: Natural/Man Made [Re: SpecialEd]
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and as for trumpets that grow in the wild...Certain sea conchs produce a horn sound when blown.

It's not until a sufficient portion of the top of the conch is cut away that it can be used as a horn. Furthermore, the range of this particular musical instrument is extremely limited (unlike a trumpet).


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Re: Natural/Man Made [Re: Sclorch]
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you guys are just ripping into this like there's no tomorrow..

i'm trying to figure out a simple way to word special ed's so called "argument" (when in fact it was more just a thought than an argument)..

let's see:
quite simply, boiling everything down to a technical level takes the beauty and mystery out of life.

example: while i don't care what means a musician uses to create his music, i find that i enjoy it much more if i don't know.


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Re: Natural/Man Made [Re: SpecialEd]
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SpecialEd said:
If you have an audiovisual program that plays music and represents the sound waves graphically, you notice that analog instruments, like a trumpet, have gracefully smooth and continuous waves, while a synthesizer looks like the output of a polygraph machine hooked up to GeeDub.


Actually this would have more to do with ones lungs than anything. We as humans have incredible control (well, some more than others, hehe) of our voice and the trumpet could be seen as a device that amplifys that breath and gives it a different, amplifyed sound.

It would be much more difficult to master a synthesizer with a trumpet sound than it would be to get that amazing range of dynamics and feel than using a real trumpet with your breath. 

So basically the synthesizer could be seen as a more capable tool than the trumpet. However, the person playing is just as important, and we are so much more able to express ourselves naturally with our breath. Of course, an advanced synthesizer player is going to be really tuned into how much pressure and depth they are applying on the keys and they will be just as capable of expressing themselves on the same level as a good trumpet player.

So, are you saying, SpecialEd, that you think it is more of a beautiful thing when we are more invovled, or when our tools are? Of course, we DID create those tools, and that is a beautiful thing as well... but I think you are getting at it being more of a beautiful experience when you cook your own food and express yourself when doing so rather than go out and buy it. Or something.

I'm just adding thoughts and not really selecting anything as what I really think... this one is purely a matter of perspective and preference.  :laugh:

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Re: Natural/Man Made *DELETED* [Re: fireworks_god]
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Re: Natural/Man Made [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
h, and as for trumpets that grow in the wild...Certain sea conchs produce a horn sound when blown.

An animal skeleton of calcium carbonate is now the same as a refined and shaped brass tube? That's it. Keep losing credibility.  :headbang:



Go to the beach and listen to the ocean, close your eyes, relax and record its sound with the best recording hardware you might find.
Go to your house and play the ocean sound you've just recorded with the best HiFi.
Now, would you experience the same relaxing moment in your house ?
Try to focus on the objective of specialed argument. It has nothing to do with man made vs not man made. It has to do with the limits of technology regarding nature... or at least i see that way.

MAIA


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Re: Natural/Man Made [Re: Sclorch]
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I see that most htings that man does, is just really copying nature.

sure the rumpet was made by man, but what does it give?? music!!

the result is what we are trying to achieve, and most of these results happens in nature, man tries to duplicate it.

so I guess saying

"Everything is "natural"... directly or indirectly"

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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: Natural/Man Made [Re: lukeboots]
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Thanks. :wink:

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Re: Natural/Man Made [Re: fireworks_god]
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I forgot what the point of this thread is..... It doesnt matter if something is considered natural or unnatural. There are things that are natural thare are deadly. There are things that are manmade that are deadly. It doesnt matter if something is natural or not, it doesnt make a difference because in the bigger picture it really depends what you are classifying as natural or man made. some mushrooms will kill you, others you can put on pizza. Man made weapons and they can kill, but man also made guitars that unless your the mariachi, dont kill.


Theres really no point in this thread. There is nothing in this world that is completely unnatural. Everything came from nature, it is just the way its arranged that makes the difference....

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Re: Natural/Man Made [Re: SpecialEd]
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I also think it is weird how cow milk is processed through a machine. Just adding to the list.


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Re: Natural/Man Made [Re: whiterabbit13]
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You could always break down nature into it's own creations. Not only does nature have it's seperate entities. It can create wonderful entities together. The way that the trees create a wonderful habitat for the birds just as the way the man creates a walking path through the forest, and the bear creates his hideout deep in a cave. All things natural and man made when it comes to scenery and the wilderness are equally magnificent.

Another thing, the forests have wonderful entities. The trees, the bushes, the plants and the small creatures that live in it. Sometimes people get sick of mans creations because they destroy this lovely habitat.

Peace,
Droz


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Re: Natural/Man Made [Re: fireworks_god]
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Quote:
So, are you saying, SpecialEd, that you think it is more of a beautiful thing when we are more invovled


Overall, my main thrust was that things that people create cannot compete with things he does not in terms of beauty and appeal.


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Re: Natural/Man Made [Re: Swami]
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Quote:
An animal skeleton of calcium carbonate is now the same as a refined and shaped brass tube? That's it. Keep losing credibility.



You hear what I am saying, but you do not see it for what it is.


Could you state my thought in your own words so that I can see if you understand or not. If it pleases you, I can concede to the point that the trumpet vs synthesizer point is out of place.


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Re: Natural/Man Made [Re: MAIA]
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Go to the beach and listen to the ocean

Relevance to anything that I previously discussed?


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Re: Natural/Man Made [Re: SpecialEd]
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Could you state my thought in your own words

No. Am still trying to follow what you are saying.


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Re: Natural/Man Made [Re: Swami]
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ah poor specialed...
the message i got from his post was beutifull simple and true, but then he messed himself up with all those screwy examples.

I guess theres just nothing that man makes that gives me more happiness than warm sun, clear lakes, green trees, fresh air, rain etc

anyways go back to ripping apart the post line by line now...

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Re: Natural/Man Made [Re: PHARMAKOS]
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I guess theres just nothing that man makes that gives me more happiness than warm sun, clear lakes, green trees, fresh air, rain etc

I will wager heavily that you, along with 99% of the posters here, sleep indoors in a man-made house and man-made bed with heating and air conditioning instead of out underneath the beautiful stars and on the rain-soaked or snow covered natural ground.

Correct?


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Re: Natural/Man Made [Re: Swami]
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If you don't follow what I say, why do you participate in this thread?


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Re: Natural/Man Made [Re: SpecialEd]
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swami...
i tried with you, i really did. But theres only so long i can try to pour water into a closed bottle, only so long i can throw rubber balls at a brick wall.

I know how this sounds to you. maybe pretentious, or arrogant or just stupid but i dont care man. I mean i tried SO HARD to have a discussion with you in any semblance of a productive debate or a spirit of comraderie, but again and again you give me snide , rude comments, abject put downs, evasions of the true points whilst you rip ruthlessly in to tiny errors or paltry specifics.

ah... i so didnt want to do .. should i just delete it, leave it unsaid?

nah...

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Re: Natural/Man Made [Re: Swami]
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" I will wager heavily that you, along with 99% of the posters here, sleep indoors in a man-made house and man-made bed with heating and air conditioning instead of out underneath the beautiful stars and on the rain-soaked or snow covered natural ground.
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Did he say ANYTHING about sleeping outside? No, he was just refering to his love of nature. And I can agree. Just because we live in the modern world doesen't mean we can't enjoy nature... your arguments are really low sometimes man.

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