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Whats logical about being gay?
    #3616819 - 01/12/05 07:40 AM (12 years, 13 days ago)

Lets discuss this aspect objectively...Gays are the downfall of todays society


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Re: Whats logical about being gay? [Re: PawPaw]
    #3616824 - 01/12/05 07:43 AM (12 years, 13 days ago)

lol...are you being serious or just fishing for indignant responses?


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Re: Whats logical about being gay? [Re: deafpanda]
    #3616826 - 01/12/05 07:44 AM (12 years, 13 days ago)

No im dead serious dude...


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Re: Whats logical about being gay? [Re: PawPaw]
    #3616844 - 01/12/05 07:55 AM (12 years, 13 days ago)

a species must procreate to continue living, therefore if we were all gay we would die as a species
if the purpose of a species is to continue its existence as a species
if the purpose of life is creating life
then i conclude being gay is illogical
not only the downfall of society as you say
the downfall of humanity itself


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Re: Whats logical about being gay? [Re: fresh313]
    #3616851 - 01/12/05 07:57 AM (12 years, 13 days ago)

Exactually so why are gays being accepted in our society ...


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Re: Whats logical about being gay? [Re: PawPaw]
    #3616854 - 01/12/05 07:58 AM (12 years, 13 days ago)

Well I dunno why you'd think they are the downfall of our society...as far as I can see, they are like everyone else but with a different sexual orientation.

Gays evolve in all types of animals, so there must be an evolutionary point to them. I had a gay dog once. That was funny.


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Re: Whats logical about being gay? [Re: PawPaw]
    #3616860 - 01/12/05 08:01 AM (12 years, 13 days ago)

Gays are accepted for the same reasons any minority is accepted. Because we're exactly the same as them in most ways. I'm sure I have more in common with some gay people than I do with, for example, Osama Bin Laden or an Amazon warrior.


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Re: Whats logical about being gay? [Re: deafpanda]
    #3616861 - 01/12/05 08:01 AM (12 years, 13 days ago)

Animals arent gay unless they are damaged in some way ....you know that allready


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Re: Whats logical about being gay? [Re: PawPaw]
    #3616863 - 01/12/05 08:02 AM (12 years, 13 days ago)

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Animals arent gay unless they are damaged in some way ....you know that allready




How do you know?


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Re: Whats logical about being gay? [Re: fresh313]
    #3616866 - 01/12/05 08:03 AM (12 years, 13 days ago)

PawPaw, overpopulation?

maybe the dog had a gay owner and learned from him/her

is there evidence of any animals in the wild being gay?


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Re: Whats logical about being gay? [Re: fresh313]
    #3616869 - 01/12/05 08:05 AM (12 years, 13 days ago)

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is there evidence of any animals in the wild being gay?




2 second google found this...


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Re: Whats logical about being gay? [Re: deafpanda]
    #3616885 - 01/12/05 08:11 AM (12 years, 13 days ago)

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deafpanda said:
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is there evidence of any animals in the wild being gay?




2 second google found this...




a 2 second look shows hes a gay cowboy who left america becuase he couldnt get married to another cowboy

http://www.bidstrup.com/marriage.htm

maybe hes a little biased...  :smirk:


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Re: Whats logical about being gay? [Re: fresh313]
    #3616899 - 01/12/05 08:21 AM (12 years, 13 days ago)

Hahaha nice...I'll look for something else...here's something from a guy who wrote: "Defending a Higher Law: Why We Must Resist Same Sex "Marriage" and the Homosexual Movement."

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Animals Do It, So It's Natural, Right?
The reasoning behind the animal homosexuality theory can be summed up as follows:

- Homosexual behavior is observable in animals.
- Animal behavior is determined by their instincts.
- Nature requires animals to follow their instincts.
- Therefore, homosexuality is in accordance with animal nature.
- Since man is also animal, homosexuality must also be in accordance with human nature.
This line of reasoning is unsustainable. If seemingly "homosexual" acts among animals are in accordance with animal nature, then parental killing of offspring and intra-species devouring are also in accordance with animal nature. Bringing man into the equation complicates things further. Are we to conclude that filicide and cannibalism are according to human nature?
In opposition to this line of reasoning, this article sustains that:

There is no "homosexual instinct" in animals,
It is poor science to "read" human motivations and sentiments into animal behavior, and
Irrational animal behavior is not a yardstick to determine what is morally acceptable behavior for rational man.
There Is No "Homosexual Instinct" In Animals
Anyone engaged in the most elementary animal observation is forced to conclude that animal "homosexuality," "filicide" and "cannibalism" are exceptions to normal animal behavior. Consequently, they cannot be called animal instincts. These observable exceptions to normal animal behavior result from factors beyond their instincts.




Here is my take on why gays should be accepted. Homosexuality is certainly at least partly genetic, and inevitable. It may be in part a choice, or it may be totally pre-determined.

Homosexuality is not harmful to society. It hinders population growth slightly, which is a good thing. Someone taking it up the ass in their own house out of your sight is not hurting or offending myou in any way.

"f seemingly "homosexual" acts among animals are in accordance with animal nature, then parental killing of offspring and intra-species devouring are also in accordance with animal nature."

This is true, but he then goes on to ask:

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Are we to conclude that filicide and cannibalism are according to human nature?




Duhh...killing your offspring is obviously detrimental to society. Homosexuality isn't.


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Re: Whats logical about being gay? [Re: deafpanda]
    #3616902 - 01/12/05 08:24 AM (12 years, 13 days ago)

i still await proof that animals in the wild engage in homosexual acts


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Re: Whats logical about being gay? [Re: fresh313]
    #3616909 - 01/12/05 08:29 AM (12 years, 13 days ago)

article

It's not exactly proof, but I can't find an entry in a scientific journal.

"U.S. scientist Dr Dean Hamer, who discovered a greater incidence of the gene Xq28 in homosexual men."

This alone is enough to support my premise that homosexuality is at least partly genetic.


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Re: Whats logical about being gay? [Re: deafpanda]
    #3616917 - 01/12/05 08:36 AM (12 years, 13 days ago)

In almost ALL SPECIES, in not ALL species of life that have sex, the MAIN and MOST BASIC function of sex is reproduction. Very few animals in nature show homosexual traits and the ones that do and reproduce sexually are pretty much rare incidents or else the very species would become extinct.


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Re: Whats logical about being gay? [Re: deafpanda]
    #3616918 - 01/12/05 08:36 AM (12 years, 13 days ago)

"Suprisingly, male waterbirds from same-sex couples are often more successful than their heterosexual counterparts, as they are more aggressive and can occupy more territory, he said."

even the gay birds are taking over !!!!

well ill take that as proof that animals can be ... gay.

so you believe homosexuality is a trait passed down through our genetic codes?


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Re: Whats logical about being gay? [Re: fresh313]
    #3616926 - 01/12/05 08:41 AM (12 years, 13 days ago)

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so you believe homosexuality is a trait passed down through our genetic codes?




Well, it sounds paradoxical, but that's nearly right. I think that there is a gene which, when passed down, gives people a higher propensity to be gay. I don't think that everyone who has a certain gene is gay, and I don't think that everyone who is gay has a certain gene.


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Re: Whats logical about being gay? [Re: deafpanda]
    #3616927 - 01/12/05 08:42 AM (12 years, 13 days ago)

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Gays are accepted for the same reasons any minority is accepted. Because we're exactly the same as them in most ways.




1. "Minorities" ( a subjective term relative to the population of individual societies) can reproduce, homosexuals cannot.

2. Minorities OBVIOUSLY are born as such, there has still been no evidence a single soul was BORN gay.


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Re: Whats logical about being gay? [Re: Anonymous]
    #3616937 - 01/12/05 08:48 AM (12 years, 13 days ago)

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1. "Minorities" ( a subjective term relative to the population of individual societies) can reproduce, homosexuals cannot.




I wasn't talking specifically about non-white people when I said minorities, there are some minorities that can't reproduce, ie people who chop their own balls off.

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2. Minorities OBVIOUSLY are born as such, there has still been no evidence a single soul was BORN gay.




Again, minorities includes any minority, such as masochists, who are not necessarily born as such, but probably have genetic influences on their behaviour.

As for evidence that someone is born gay, they have discovered a gene that has a significantly higher rate of incidence in gays.


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