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Re: Homosexuality and The Bible [Re: Ellis Dee]
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Jesus would roll over in his fucking grave.  Wait!!! i'm doing exactly what you do by making that statement. i'm appropriating the life of a dead man for my own purposes. You rip Jesus out of the grave and shove your hand up his ass and make him puppet your ridiculous morality. it's pathetic and sick. why don't you come up with your own truth...your own morality? it takes too much strength and you are weak.  all morality is based on biology.  God is dead.  I'll see you in hell. 

To enter:  if god doesn't love everyone what's the point of having a god ?  we can find plenty of powerful motherfuckers on this planet who resemble gods in every respect except unconditional love.  another question you should put to your pathetic synaptic network is this: if god was all powerful, all knowing, and all around superduper why would he give a fuck if you sleep with your own sex? do you think god is concerned with morality? with making sure you reproduce in the natural way? GOD DOESN'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT YOUR LITTLE STAY HERE ON EARTH ANY MORE THAN YOU CARE ABOUT THE TINY LIFE SPAN OF DROSOPHILA! 

but Wait!!! i'm acting like you again!!! i'm projecting myself onto a concept called "God" and claiming it exists!  i'm as stupid as you!!!  God is as unknowable as the inner workings of nuetrinos are to modern science. you and i don't have shit to say about it.

GOD YOU PEOPLE PISS ME OFF!!!  AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!  :grin:

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Re: Homosexuality and The Bible [Re: ]
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http://www.theonion.com/onion3407/churchhomosexual.html

church group offers homosexuals new life in the closet

i'm so touched, really *blows hankerchief*


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.

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Re: Homosexuality and The Bible [Re: Ellis Dee]
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The act of homosexual sex or fornication for that matter are both sins. Unrepentant sinners that die in their sins do go to hell. This is true. Same goes for thieves, idoloters and drunkards. If you repent and turn to Jesus he will forgive you and wash your sins from you. He will help you when you turn to him and help you not to sin anymore.

Did you copy this from a Jerry Falwell transcript? I swear, there has to be some christian fundamentalist database where opinions, er....I mean "truths" about every aspect of modern life are stored and refined as according to Jesus.

Btw, your sig. is fucking hilarious, though I'm sure Reagan was dead serious when he read it from a teleprompter.

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Re: Homosexuality and The Bible [Re: ]
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bibles are gay

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Re: Homosexuality and The Bible [Re: ]
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"If being gay is a sin, does this mean that gay people must repent for the fact that they are homosexual in order to have any chance of getting into heaven?"

The Word of God clearly states homosexuality is a sin, that is not debateable.

What is the bottom line truth about sin? Any sin (a transgression of Holy Law) at all (even one) (in word, thought or deed) will result in that sinner being cast into the Lake of Fire forevermore.

Everyone commits thousands of sins, all do this because we are born children of Adam, in love with rebellion against God, and blind to our lost state. What must happen is we must be born again as the Spirit applies the Word to our heart, convicts us of sin, righteousness and judgment. Then a lost sinner sees that he is a sinner without hope. Once the sinner sees this, then he can see the only thing that can commend himself to a Holy God, the perfect righteousness of Christ. Jesus Christ ALONE perfectly obeyed the Holy Law, met all its demands as the sins of His people were imputed to Him. He paid for the sins of His people by spending an equivalent to an eternity in hell for them.


"I thought that Christians are supposed to have love for their fellow man no matter what; just as God loves all unconditionally."

The common misconception today is the God loves everybody unconditionally. This is not biblical truth. The only people God loves unconditionally are those who are in Christ. God chose and named all those who would become saved from before the foundation of the world. The choosing of those ordained to eternal life was not based on forseen merits such as faith, repentance, ect., it was based soley on His good pleasure. God demonstrates His love to the ungodly, and loves them while they were ungodly. In time they are converted and given a new heart that loves His law, and they can see and know God.

Can one ever sin away salvation? No. Once truly converted, one has eternal life. Many think they are "saved" today, but in fact they were never ordained to eternal life, have no understanding of the gospel, and have never been given the new heart.

On another point, todays churches are an abomination, every one. I would not set foot in any of them. This was exactly foretold as the great falling away before the Judgment Day.


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Re: Homosexuality and The Bible [Re: fivepointer]
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It is clearly stated in the bible that Jesus was a homosexual, he would have sex with the young boys that the king would give to him, while the king watched and masterbated.
It's all in the bible, you just have to open the book and read.

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Re: Homosexuality and The Bible [Re: TheShroomHermit]
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i'll agree it's all there black and white i wouldnt say flaming but definetly bi


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Re: Homosexuality and The Bible [Re: Delerium02]
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[clears throat]

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Re: Homosexuality and The Bible [Re: Danimal]
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Btw, your sig. is fucking hilarious, though I'm sure Reagan was dead serious when he read it from a teleprompter.

Reagan can read?

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Re: Homosexuality and The Bible [Re: World Spirit]
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This is a tough one to write about but it is actually very straight forward in the Bible, no pun intended. 1st Cor 6:9 and 1st Tim 1:10 are pretty clear.

Are you sure they are pretty clear?

HOMOSEXUALITY IN THE CHRISTIAN SCRIPTURES - 1 CORINTHIANS & 1 TIMOTHY

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Re: Homosexuality and The Bible [Re: mirrorsaww]
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Interesting link.  As a student of New Testament Greek I offer this commentary:

The Greek word for effeminate, Malakoi bears a striking resemblance to another Greek slang word used today, Malaka.  That is because they are from the same root.  Malaka means asshole.  Think about it. :smile:

Cheers, 

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Re: Homosexuality and The Bible [Re: CaliChronic]
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'Methinks he protesteth too much.'


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: Homosexuality and The Bible [Re: Ellis Dee]
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Well, at least, you got the balls to say it here. The acquaintances I debated with kept skirting the issue about homosexuality. The most distinct impression I got from it was they say the Bible says it. No matter what rational angle I represented. What obvious common sense I gave them. They stuck to the Bible like barnacles on a rock. These were rational (well, functional human beings) people who I find trust the Bible more than they trust themselves to discern the difference. of right and wrong vs birthright.

So as a free thinker, your truth is repugnant. I couldn't possibly submit, obey, and entrust my faith to any organized religion even if I wanted to. It is my innate nature to opposed your kind of religion. But I will listen to the master, an enlightened one, who has found true clarity of Yahweh ~ who is not bound by any word of god ~ who gives justice for all. NOt just the few and chosen. Not preach the fire and brimstone of "I turn to God , he will forgive me and I won't go to the fiery place." But procur unconditional love "God will forgive and accept me no matter what I do."






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Re: Homosexuality and The Bible [Re: Calen]
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Any Christian who is hardcore anti-gay is a hypocrite, (my sins are forgivable but theirs aren't) and you shoud stay away from them. And why exactly would being gay be a sin anyway, you know homosexuality exists in the animal kingdom don't you.

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Re: Homosexuality and The Bible [Re: ]
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ANY MORE THAN YOU CARE ABOUT THE TINY LIFE SPAN OF DROSOPHILA!

A moment of silence for the poor fruit fly...


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: Homosexuality and The Bible [Re: ]
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It's not so much the sexual orientation that's a sin, but the act itself. Homosexuality in action is a sin. There are many upright men and women who are homosexual and obey God. In fact, I would consider it a great form of worship for a God fearing homosexual to refrain from homosexual relations during his life on earth. In the Hereafter, he can have all the bears and twinks he wants.


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Edited by Zahid (09/07/02 02:19 PM)

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Re: Homosexuality and The Bible [Re: Zahid]
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Are you trying to tell us something?

You can come out now. We won't hurt you, much.

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Re: Homosexuality and The Bible [Re: ]
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Haheheh you're a funny one. :laugh:

Incase you're wondering where I got the gay-slang from, I was close to a cousin of mine who was gay. After awhile I picked up on it. He was heavy into drugs, and he shot himself when he was 17.

Gay hating = suffering. Believers should stress the mercy of God to those who transgress.


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Edited by Zahid (09/07/02 03:04 PM)

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Re: Homosexuality and The Bible [Re: Zahid]
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Misohomosy is not cool. I am sorry to hear about your cousin. The stats are that homosexuals and lesbians have a much shorter life span even without contracting std's. Suicide is but one reason. Pity.

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Re: Homosexuality and The Bible [Re: TheShroomHermit]
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Ok, Mr. Freud. Say that and enjoy getting lynched by a gathering Christians.

Real dumb

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