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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: lowbrow] * 1
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You can be called illegal and not be guilty of a crime.  Being undocumented is not a crime.  It is a civil matter.  You are trying to change the conversation and then using that to say they all committed a crime.  You know what you are doing and you should be ashamed.  But I know you are probably doing it on purpose and shame would not get in the way of that.  That makes it just another lie being perpetrated based on agenda.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Holybullshit]
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And we can assume they entered if theyre here.  Criminal offense right there.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: gww]
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gww said:
You can be called illegal and not be guilty of a crime.  Being undocumented is not a crime.  It is a civil matter.  You are trying to change the conversation and then using that to say they all committed a crime.  You know what you are doing and you should be ashamed.  But I know you are probably doing it on purpose and shame would not get in the way of that.  That makes it just another lie being perpetrated based on agenda.


If you swim across a river or jump the fence on the United States border you have committed a crime.

Hence the term ‘illegal alien’.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: lowbrow] * 3
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So then most undocumented people aren't criminals, you finally get it

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: lowbrow] * 2
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tha amount of energy you're spending on trying to salvage some semantic win here is insane.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: lowbrow]
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You can assume but it means nothing and can be done in an unjust manner.  I could point at you and say you are a dumb fuck but it wouldn't carry much weight in law, though you could do enough for others to assume it is true by what you do.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: feevers]
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feevers said:
So then most undocumented people aren't criminals, you finally get it


But if they entered illegally they committed a crime.  This is pretty much what everyone was talking about when they said ‘crime’.  If your talking about some jackass tourists(with passports) that overstayed their welcome or some loophole shit like that, you got me there.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: feevers]
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feevers said:
So then most undocumented people aren't criminals, you finally get it


Had he not added this:
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Hence the term ‘illegal alien’.


You might could have concluded he got it.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: gww]
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gww said:
You might could have concluded he got it.




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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: lowbrow] * 1
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lowbrow said:
As far as I know entering the country illegally is a crime.


Most undocumented immigrants enter legally


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: gww]
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gww said:
Being an undocumented immigrant is a civil offence.

AI
Criminal law is not based on reasonable chance.



no one said it is. i said its a reasonable chance they came in through the border and not a port of entry, so you can ascertain how they got in. if they don't comply, that is a misdemeanor

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: AlChemicalResearch] * 3
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Wow this is painful :facepalm3:


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil] * 1
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Enlil said:
lowbrow said:
As far as I know entering the country illegally is a crime.


Most undocumented immigrants enter legally



https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2006/05/22/modes-of-entry-for-the-unauthorized-migrant-population/

Edited by AlChemicalResearch (09/19/26 07:33 PM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: gww]
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gww said:
You can be called illegal and not be guilty of a crime.  Being undocumented is not a crime.  It is a civil matter.  You are trying to change the conversation and then using that to say they all committed a crime.  You know what you are doing and you should be ashamed.  But I know you are probably doing it on purpose and shame would not get in the way of that.  That makes it just another lie being perpetrated based on agenda.



no one is saying being undocumented is a crime. being an undocumented IMMIGRANT is a crime. because, even if you get past a point of entry, if your intention was to IMMIGRATE you are concealing your intentions to the immigration agent.

I have friends who had home births and their kids don't have birth certificates or socials. that is not a crime. but they were born in the USA. they didn't lie at a port of entry.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: AlChemicalResearch]
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People change their minds.  Maybe I intended to visit but later decided to stay.  How are you going to prove my that I intended to stay at the outset?

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
People change their minds.  Maybe I intended to visit but later decided to stay.  How are you going to prove my that I intended to stay at the outset?


if you changed your mind, there would be proof in that you contacted immigration services and started the legal process of being able to stay longer.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: AlChemicalResearch] * 1
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That's not how minds work. There is no paper trail for thoughts, kid.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
That's not how minds work. There is no paper trail for thoughts, kid.



and yet people prove motives in court all the time.

I'm sure it would be a case by case basis, but ultimately if you changed your mind, to maintain legal status you would contact an immigration attorney and start the process to extend your stay or change your immigration status. if you didn't, and did stuff like say, buy a house, start a business, get married, aka any long term life situations, it would be indicative that you intended to stay when you told the immigration official you weren't intending to stay past your visa. aka, you lied to the immigration official.

if something comes up, like a hospital stay, etc that can be proof you did not lie to the immigration official.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: AlChemicalResearch] * 1
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Lol, okay. You've got it all figured out. You'll grow out of that.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Lol, okay. You've got it all figured out. You'll grow out of that.



you know what they say, if you're not young and a liberal, you don't have a heart, and if you're not old and conservative you don't have a brain.

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