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The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers
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I am quite certain his support and resulting poll numbers are based on his stance on illegal immigration, and I do believe was spot on when he said that nobody would be talking about it if he didn't bring it out in the open. I do believe this is one of if not the most important issue most are concerned about, and I am myself being one of the latter two. The way things have been and are now being handled with the immigration process is alarming to say the least, and I think to put this notion into perspective it's best to throw a few figures out before I go on any further.
There are currently 104,000 Criminal illegal aliens on the streets of this country, and I would imagine this number is rising rapidly by the day. Out of this group it is known that there are 193 with homicide convictions, 246 with sexual assault convictions, and 16,000 with drunk driving arrests, as well as more than a third of all federal drug charge sentences.
Out of the 104,000, 68,000 of them were not even started in the deportation process, and 36,000 were released during the deportation proceedings. This was in direct defiance of our immigration laws by our current administration, and must be put to an end to save this country from being overridden with foreign criminals.
There are over 200 so called sanctuary cities that have become a haven for illegal criminals. This is due to the fact the police are forbidden to enforce immigration laws that would result in them being reported to immigration and customs enforcement(ICE),and begin the deportation process.
There was a recent article that covers a paper/poll that spells out how Americans truly feel about the illegal immigration situation we are faced with. The all of the MSM and countless pundits jumped all over Trump, and all while taking his initial speech out of context on immigration to paint his views as extreme. What this article has shown is that Americans may have a far more extreme stance on immigration that we've all been led to believe from the MSM.
Here's the gist of the said article I've attached below. Note that nearly 25% voted for option #7 which is the most extreme, and more than 50% picking the top 3 harshest choices. This is the demographic Trump has tapped into.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/are-trumps-immigration-views-out-of-the-mainstream/article/2570298
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The Broockman/Ahler paper, published in July, is about more than just immigration; it examines the range of public opinion on several issues. On each, the authors gave a scientifically-selected group of respondents a broad range of policy options. On immigration, they listed seven possibilities, ranging from open borders to shutting down all immigration. These are the options Broockman and Ahler presented to respondents:
1. The United States should have open borders and allow further immigration on an unlimited basis.
2. Legal immigration to the United States should greatly increase among all immigrant groups, regardless of their skills. Immigrants already in the United States should be put on the path to citizenship.
3. Immigration of highly skilled individuals should greatly increase. Immigration by those without such skills should continue at its current pace, although this immigration should be legalized.
4. Immigration of highly skilled individuals should greatly increase, and immigration among those without such skills should be limited in time and/or magnitude, e.g., through a guest worker program.
5. The United States should admit more highly skilled immigrants and secure the border with increased physical barriers to stem the flow of other immigrants.
6. Only a small number of highly skilled immigrants should be allowed into the United States until the border is fully secured, and all illegal immigrants currently in the U.S. should be deported.
7. Further immigration to the United States should be banned until the border is fully secured, and all illegal immigrants currently in the U.S. should be deported immediately.
Here are the results Broockman and Ahler got: 4.7 percent supported Option One; 17.4 percent supported Option Two; 10.8 percent supported Option Three; 12.0 percent supported Option Four; 17.0 percent supported Option Five; 13.8 percent supported Option Six; and 24.4 percent supported Option Seven.
What Trump has done is given a voice for those in this country who are well aware of the situation at hand, and what we are faced with regarding the current administration's total disregard of the rule of law on immigration. If we don't derail this train that is handing this country away to foreigners we will no longer be a nation. A nation without borders in not a nation. I think others in the GOP have learned that immigration is what Trump's poll numbers are riding on and have jumped on this issue as well.
What's In Donald Trump's Immigration Plan And How It Could Affect The GOP
http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/17/432605103/whats-in-donald-trumps-immigration-plan
Immigration Reform That Will Make America Great Again
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform
Illegal immigrants responsible for almost three-fourths of federal drug possession sentences in 2014
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/illegal-immigrants-responsible-for-almost-three-fourths-of-federal-drug-possession-sentences-in-2014/article/2567814
Map: Over 200 'sanctuary cities' in 32 states and D.C.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/map-over-200-sanctuary-cities-in-32-states-and-d.c./article/2567880
Sen. Ted Cruz at Hearing on the Administration’s Immigration Enforcement
I know, I know. Nobody likes Ted Cruz, but you can't throw the baby out with the bath water. I myself practically chug copious amounts of bath water in search to find as many babies as possible.
I recommend the entire 8 min video, but skip to 5:25 for the figures I listed above.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: Astral Pain]
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I fully agree with the guy.
These people broke your laws from the get go. They didn't respect your country from day one. Why the hell would you allow them to stay? Might as well reward criminal activity.
Plus these people get abused. Some of them owe their lives to the druglord who brought them in. Some even have kidnapped children to buy back from the smuggler. They are being abused by the American workforce because they get shit salaries, it's scary and immoral and wrong.
Borders exists for a reason.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: Patlal]
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Exactly 
Those who voted to get the republicans into majority in the house and senate under the premise they would stop the Obama administration in it's tracks were slapped in the face. Mitch McConnell and company surrendered every weapon they had to defeat the left immediately after taking the senate, and when Trump came out like gangbusters against the liberal media and with plans to save our country from being lawlessly invaded, it was bye bye for the republican establishment.
Why the hell would they be trusted with the white house when they stabbed every voter in the back who got them majority in the house and senate. If a democrat or rino gets into office it's instant amnesty and open borders which will tip the voter scales in favor of the democrats. Illegals rewarded citizenship will vote democrat in return. This must be stopped.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: Astral Pain]
#22122905 - 08/21/15 02:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mitch McConnell surrendered the power of the purse immediately which was to be used to defund Obamacare which they had assured they would do if voted in. Another utter back stab was when the republicans came up with the Corker bill for the Iran deal. This turned the treaty clause upside down. Instead of Obama needing 2/3rds supermajority in the republican controlled senate for approval, now the republicans need supermajority to override an Obama veto. This was sold as giving congress power to vote on the deal. This is a total sellout by the republicans and will not be forgotten at the voting booth.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: Astral Pain]
#22122919 - 08/21/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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It may not be forgotten... by the few dozen people that follow along. Sadly, not enough do.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: Astral Pain]
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I totally agree with the need to toss them out and the wimpy backstabbing behavior of the gop which has revealed for all to see that they are no different than the dems and just make different speeches. Whenever there is an evil bill like the tpp, one side is for it and the other side against but then the side that's against, just enough cross over to make it happen.
The media has the loony left so brainwashed they think its a good policy to keep the illegals and let more in. I saw enlil say we should have totally open borders, just for example. They cry about no jobs or only part time jobs but don't put the blame where it belongs.
I'm starting to really think trump will win. It would be a revolution without the bloodshed. The media will be furious and will attack him relentlessly so there is no way he could give away the treasury to the big money people like obumble did. He would be forced to keep his promises and will be reelected in a land slide.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: Stonehenge]
#22125537 - 08/22/15 04:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Trump is popular for one reason --- The alternatives are so weak.
GWB destroyed the faith people used to have in the GOP and you're 100% right that the GOP majorities in the house and senate have showed the GOP, again, to be impotent.
Obama has destroyed the faith a lot of people had in the Democrats as he came in with huge majorities in the Senate and House and over reached on Obamacare.
Trump is just a rejection of status quo politics and politicians nobody believes has the conviction or political skills to do anything about the fundamental problems (immigration, jobs stagnation, inefficient spending, globalism, predatory corporatism, insane drug laws, etc.)
He is so utterly and completely aggressive on the attack in debates he will be a real handful when the herd gets culled down. One thing I haven't heard ANYTHING about from Trump is his plans on spending, debt, shrinking government, etc. With all his talk about Reagan lately, I fear he's going to follow Reagan and be another big spender, huge borrower (Reagan did triple the national debt) and continue to blame it all on illegal immigrants.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: KauaiOrca]
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KauaiOrca said: Trump is popular for one reason --- The alternatives are so weak.
GWB destroyed the faith people used to have in the GOP and you're 100% right that the GOP majorities in the house and senate have showed the GOP, again, to be impotent.
Obama has destroyed the faith a lot of people had in the Democrats as he came in with huge majorities in the Senate and House and over reached on Obamacare.
Trump is just a rejection of status quo politics and politicians nobody believes has the conviction or political skills to do anything about the fundamental problems (immigration, jobs stagnation, inefficient spending, globalism, predatory corporatism, insane drug laws, etc.)
He is so utterly and completely aggressive on the attack in debates he will be a real handful when the herd gets culled down. One thing I haven't heard ANYTHING about from Trump is his plans on spending, debt, shrinking government, etc. With all his talk about Reagan lately, I fear he's going to follow Reagan and be another big spender, huge borrower (Reagan did triple the national debt) and continue to blame it all on illegal immigrants.
"his plans on spending, debt"
If he really could execute his economic plan (canceling the trade agreements and deporting illegals), revenues would soar higher and a surplus would likely result.
Obama had some of the lowest spending growth in 40-50 years, what has it produced? No economic activity.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: qman]
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If he really could execute his economic plan (canceling the trade agreements and deporting illegals), revenues would soar higher and a surplus would likely result.
How exactly does canceling trade agreements and deporting illegal aliens make "revenues soar." That's a very provocative assertion.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: KauaiOrca]
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I guess we have to explain everything to those with no clue about how business and the economy works. Deporting the illegals lowers the crime rate and makes us safer, it also lowers the costs associated with illegals. But one of the main benefits of deportation is that jobs become plentiful. The tpp and other agreements are secret but you can bet they are secret for a reason. Trump will do away with all that crap and make usa great again.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: KauaiOrca]
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If he really could execute his economic plan (canceling the trade agreements and deporting illegals), revenues would soar higher and a surplus would likely result.
How exactly does canceling trade agreements and deporting illegal aliens make "revenues soar." That's a very provocative assertion.
Bringing manufacturing back to the US creates businesses which pay taxes, they also need to hire people that aren't currently working and paying taxes. Why do I have to explain this basic concept?
The deporting of illegals makes great economic sense considering they use 8 TIMES more in tax revenue than they contribute, once again very basic math at work.
When Apple manufactures its products in Indonesia and China, those workers never pay taxes to the US on their income, they never spend their wages in the US, and Apple never pays taxes on sales out of the US.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: Stonehenge] 1
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Stonehenge said: I guess we have to explain everything to those with no clue about how business and the economy works. Deporting the illegals lowers the crime rate and makes us safer, it also lowers the costs associated with illegals. But one of the main benefits of deportation is that jobs become plentiful. The tpp and other agreements are secret but you can bet they are secret for a reason. Trump will do away with all that crap and make usa great again.
So it is your position that illegal aliens are taking the good jobs away that Americans are eager to fill? Long lines of Americans that want to tend and pick crops, clean hotel rooms and cut lawns? Is that your position.
I get the point about deporting criminals, that's obvious.
And, so we get rid of trade agreements ... you think American corporations are just going to quickly invest billions and billions in new higher cost manufacturing facilities in the US just like that? Pretty optimistic view given that we have a demand problem not a supply issue. The globe is awash in supply.
That's something that seems to escape the attention of many. What we have in the US is a DEMAND ISSUE. Deporting illegals will not change that. Most of the jobs illiegals fill Americans have no interest in.
What about the estimated 150 billion in legal costs to deport all these people and the time element meaning it would take decades. Have you factored that in to how quickly Trump might "turn things around?"
You guys don't think things through.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: KauaiOrca]
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What Trump is really suggesting, when you strip away all the hoopla, is much higher taxes on corporations and products coming into America.
It's that simple. That means higher prices. Whether or not that translate to a booming economy and more manufacturing here in the USA and a new spirit of just paying employees more and giving shareholders less would make an interesting debate.
It's not that easy to just reneg on global trade agreements. There are unintended consequences when a country breaks an agreement of that significance. I'm not sure all the Trump followers even care.
It isn't CHINA that's killing us, it's AMERICAN Corporations that have no interest in helping America grow that is killing us. They are interested in the cheapest place to make their products so they give more profits to a tiny number of people on the planet.
If Trump is running on starting a trade and currency war globally, then maybe someone should think that through and relay all the possible consequences. Kinda like what GWB should have done before he invaded Iraq with a huge ground force that started a multi year nation building project and trillions of US dollars lost.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: KauaiOrca]
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>So it is your position that illegal aliens are taking the good jobs away that Americans are eager to fill?
Yes, soon as wages rise to a level that americans are comfortable with they will grab the jobs. Many people want the jobs now but are shoved aside by illegals.
>What about the estimated 150 billion in legal costs to deport all these people and the time element meaning it would take decades.
If we do things the obumble way, which you once again seem to be endorsing, then it might cost that much. Do it the logical way, no papers, then out you go and it will cost a fraction of that and very little time. You also overlook the savings of not having to provide services to those bums. The program will pay for itself the first year and reap many rewards in the future.
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Hate illegal aliens? annex mexico. make them all citizens subject to U.S. law.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Stonehenge said: I guess we have to explain everything to those with no clue about how business and the economy works. Deporting the illegals lowers the crime rate and makes us safer, it also lowers the costs associated with illegals. But one of the main benefits of deportation is that jobs become plentiful. The tpp and other agreements are secret but you can bet they are secret for a reason. Trump will do away with all that crap and make usa great again.
So it is your position that illegal aliens are taking the good jobs away that Americans are eager to fill? Long lines of Americans that want to tend and pick crops, clean hotel rooms and cut lawns? Is that your position.
I get the point about deporting criminals, that's obvious.
And, so we get rid of trade agreements ... you think American corporations are just going to quickly invest billions and billions in new higher cost manufacturing facilities in the US just like that? Pretty optimistic view given that we have a demand problem not a supply issue. The globe is awash in supply.
That's something that seems to escape the attention of many. What we have in the US is a DEMAND ISSUE. Deporting illegals will not change that. Most of the jobs illiegals fill Americans have no interest in.
What about the estimated 150 billion in legal costs to deport all these people and the time element meaning it would take decades. Have you factored that in to how quickly Trump might "turn things around?"
You guys don't think things through.
"estimated 150 billion in legal costs to deport"
Which is BS put out by the pro illegal supporters, and it wouldn't take decades. You start deporting the bad ones, you fine employers of illegals and then you take away all the benefits from the government. In a matter of a few years, they will all be leaving.
We have a DEMAND problem in the US because of the lack of wages and unemployment!!! Guess what? When you put tariffs on imports, you start making the product in the US, remember like we did 25 years ago!!! Guess what happens when you deport illegals? Wages move HIGHER and demand increases.
When you start manufacturing in the US, you create jobs which creates more DEMAND, this isn't rocket science, you reverse the things they destroyed the US working class in the first place, do you have memory issues?
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: KauaiOrca]
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KauaiOrca said: What Trump is really suggesting, when you strip away all the hoopla, is much higher taxes on corporations and products coming into America.
It's that simple. That means higher prices. Whether or not that translate to a booming economy and more manufacturing here in the USA and a new spirit of just paying employees more and giving shareholders less would make an interesting debate.
It's not that easy to just reneg on global trade agreements. There are unintended consequences when a country breaks an agreement of that significance. I'm not sure all the Trump followers even care.
It isn't CHINA that's killing us, it's AMERICAN Corporations that have no interest in helping America grow that is killing us. They are interested in the cheapest place to make their products so they give more profits to a tiny number of people on the planet.
If Trump is running on starting a trade and currency war globally, then maybe someone should think that through and relay all the possible consequences. Kinda like what GWB should have done before he invaded Iraq with a huge ground force that started a multi year nation building project and trillions of US dollars lost.
Yeah, bringing jobs back to the US is like starting a stupid war 5000 miles away for the US, work on your analogies.
We are already in a global trade and currency war, the only ones not to fire a shot is the US.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said: >So it is your position that illegal aliens are taking the good jobs away that Americans are eager to fill?
Yes, soon as wages rise to a level that americans are comfortable with they will grab the jobs. Many people want the jobs now but are shoved aside by illegals.
>What about the estimated 150 billion in legal costs to deport all these people and the time element meaning it would take decades.
If we do things the obumble way, which you once again seem to be endorsing, then it might cost that much. Do it the logical way, no papers, then out you go and it will cost a fraction of that and very little time. You also overlook the savings of not having to provide services to those bums. The program will pay for itself the first year and reap many rewards in the future.
So you think that Trump can just circumvent the American justice system and our due process laws? What do you think the Supreme Court will say? You do realize that the President has limited power, don't you? Again, you're not thinking. This is how we got into Iraq. THINK.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: qman]
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Good job trying to explain the obvious, qman. But its shoveling shit against the tide, since there are none so blind as those who will not see. They will simply have to be outvoted and when pres trump fixes things, they will still bitch but will enjoy a better standard of living. Then of course they will try to give all the credit to obumble just as they blame obumble's fumbles on shrub.
fish >You do realize that the President has limited power, don't you
You forget obumble's many instances of overreaching. "I have a pen and a phone" The dems look at the constitution as a minor hindrance to their commie plans.
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I find it interesting that people's racism and xenophobia is enough to make them think they know how the global monetary system works.
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