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The Broockman/Ahler paper, published in July, is about more than just immigration; it examines the range of public opinion on several issues. On each, the authors gave a scientifically-selected group of respondents a broad range of policy options. On immigration, they listed seven possibilities, ranging from open borders to shutting down all immigration. These are the options Broockman and Ahler presented to respondents:

1. The United States should have open borders and allow further immigration on an unlimited basis.

2. Legal immigration to the United States should greatly increase among all immigrant groups, regardless of their skills. Immigrants already in the United States should be put on the path to citizenship.

3. Immigration of highly skilled individuals should greatly increase. Immigration by those without such skills should continue at its current pace, although this immigration should be legalized.

4. Immigration of highly skilled individuals should greatly increase, and immigration among those without such skills should be limited in time and/or magnitude, e.g., through a guest worker program.

5. The United States should admit more highly skilled immigrants and secure the border with increased physical barriers to stem the flow of other immigrants.

6. Only a small number of highly skilled immigrants should be allowed into the United States until the border is fully secured, and all illegal immigrants currently in the U.S. should be deported.

7. Further immigration to the United States should be banned until the border is fully secured, and all illegal immigrants currently in the U.S. should be deported immediately.

Here are the results Broockman and Ahler got: 4.7 percent supported Option One; 17.4 percent supported Option Two; 10.8 percent supported Option Three; 12.0 percent supported Option Four; 17.0 percent supported Option Five; 13.8 percent supported Option Six; and 24.4 percent supported Option Seven.

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KauaiOrca said:

Trump is popular for one reason --- The alternatives are so weak.

GWB destroyed the faith people used to have in the GOP and you're 100% right that the GOP majorities in the house and senate have showed the GOP, again, to be impotent.

Obama has destroyed the faith a lot of people had in the Democrats as he came in with huge majorities in the Senate and House and over reached on Obamacare.

Trump is just a rejection of status quo politics and politicians nobody believes has the conviction or political skills to do anything about the fundamental problems (immigration, jobs stagnation, inefficient spending, globalism, predatory corporatism, insane drug laws, etc.)

He is so utterly and completely aggressive on the attack in debates he will be a real handful when the herd gets culled down.  One thing I haven't heard ANYTHING about from Trump is his plans on spending, debt, shrinking government, etc.  With all his talk about Reagan lately, I fear he's going to follow Reagan and be another big spender, huge borrower (Reagan did triple the national debt) and continue to blame it all on illegal immigrants.

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qman said:

If he really could execute his economic plan (canceling the trade agreements and deporting illegals), revenues would soar higher and a surplus would likely result.

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KauaiOrca said:

qman said:

If he really could execute his economic plan (canceling the trade agreements and deporting illegals), revenues would soar higher and a surplus would likely result.

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How exactly does canceling trade agreements and deporting illegal aliens make "revenues soar."  That's a very provocative assertion.

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Stonehenge said:

I guess we have to explain everything to those with no clue about how business and the economy works. Deporting the illegals lowers the crime rate and makes us safer, it also lowers the costs associated with illegals. But one of the main benefits of deportation is that jobs become plentiful. The tpp and other agreements are secret but you can bet they are secret for a reason. Trump will do away with all that crap and make usa great again.

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KauaiOrca said:

Stonehenge said:

I guess we have to explain everything to those with no clue about how business and the economy works. Deporting the illegals lowers the crime rate and makes us safer, it also lowers the costs associated with illegals. But one of the main benefits of deportation is that jobs become plentiful. The tpp and other agreements are secret but you can bet they are secret for a reason. Trump will do away with all that crap and make usa great again.

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So it is your position that illegal aliens are taking the good jobs away that Americans are eager to fill?  Long lines of Americans that want to tend and pick crops, clean hotel rooms and cut lawns?  Is that your position.

I get the point about deporting criminals, that's obvious. 

And, so we get rid of trade agreements ... you think American corporations are just going to quickly invest billions and billions in new higher cost manufacturing facilities in the US just like that?  Pretty optimistic view given that we have a demand problem not a supply issue. The globe is awash in supply.

That's something that seems to escape the attention of many.  What we have in the US is a DEMAND ISSUE.  Deporting illegals will not change that.  Most of the jobs illiegals fill Americans have no interest in. 

What about the estimated 150 billion in legal costs to deport all these people and the time element meaning it would take decades.  Have you factored that in to how quickly Trump might "turn things around?"

You guys don't think things through.

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"estimated 150 billion in legal costs to deport"

Which is BS put out by the pro illegal supporters, and it wouldn't take decades.  You start deporting the bad ones, you fine employers of illegals and then you take away all the benefits from the government.  In a matter of a few years, they will all be leaving.

We have a DEMAND problem in the US because of the lack of wages and unemployment!!!  Guess what?  When you put tariffs on imports, you start making the product in the US, remember like we did 25 years ago!!!  Guess what happens when you deport illegals?  Wages move HIGHER and demand increases.

When you start manufacturing in the US, you create jobs which creates more DEMAND, this isn't rocket science, you reverse the things they destroyed the US working class in the first place, do you have memory issues?

KauaiOrca said:

What Trump is really suggesting, when you strip away all the hoopla, is much higher taxes on corporations and products coming into America.

It's that simple.  That means higher prices.  Whether or not that translate to a booming economy and more manufacturing here in the USA and a new spirit of just paying employees more and giving shareholders less would make an interesting debate.

It's not that easy to just reneg on global trade agreements.  There are unintended consequences when a country breaks an agreement of that significance.  I'm not sure all the Trump followers even care. 

It isn't CHINA that's killing us, it's AMERICAN Corporations that have no interest in helping America grow that is killing us.  They are interested in the cheapest place to make their products so they give more profits to a tiny number of people on the planet. 

If Trump is running on starting a trade and currency war globally, then maybe someone should think that through and relay all the possible consequences.  Kinda like what GWB should have done before he invaded Iraq with a huge ground force that started a multi year nation building project and trillions of US dollars lost.

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  Yeah, bringing jobs back to the US is like starting a stupid war 5000 miles away for the US, work on your analogies.

We are already in a global trade and currency war, the only ones not to fire a shot is the US.

Stonehenge said:

>So it is your position that illegal aliens are taking the good jobs away that Americans are eager to fill?

Yes, soon as wages rise to a level that americans are comfortable with they will grab the jobs. Many people want the jobs now but are shoved aside by illegals.

>What about the estimated 150 billion in legal costs to deport all these people and the time element meaning it would take decades.

If we do things the obumble way, which you once again seem to be endorsing, then it might cost that much. Do it the logical way, no papers, then out you go and it will cost a fraction of that and very little time. You also overlook the savings of not having to provide services to those bums. The program will pay for itself the first year and reap many rewards in the future.

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