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Re: Trump [Re: viktor]
    #22930336 - 02/21/16 05:14 PM (5 years, 5 days ago)

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It's the fact that you treat people in need as if they were merely lazy bums that demonstrates your selfishness.



Many of the poor are quite lazy


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Re: Trump [Re: viktor]
    #22930340 - 02/21/16 05:15 PM (5 years, 5 days ago)

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It's the fact that you treat people in need as if they were merely lazy bums that demonstrates your selfishness.




It's selfish to want to keep what I've earned? But not for people to demand I give it to them???


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Re: Trump [Re: viktor] * 1
    #22930347 - 02/21/16 05:16 PM (5 years, 5 days ago)

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No, they do it with ease. This is because all Western countries apart from the USA have a level of trust that Americans have much trouble understanding. The average American is basically a clinical narcissist by the standards of just about every other culture on Earth.

I've been basically everywhere in the West. Americans treat each other like dogshit. There is so much more solidarity and trust in every other Western nation that America is like a war zone in comparison.

I'm really curious to know how my taxes will go up if Sanders wins. Not that I care about my taxes going up, because more taxes just means more services. But this is frankly a bizarre assertion and I wonder how you can justify it.




This is particularly perceptive, viktor.  It is true that we are essentially kind of like narcissistic pirates over here, and it's every man for himself.  God forbid we help our fellow man in need of it.  There is no social cohesion whatsoever; community is nonexistent, and even neighbors hardly ever talk to each other.  And Americans don't even realize any of this.  They're too busy waving and worshipping flags and watching Nascar over one too many Budweisers.  Times are many when I wish I could live somewhere else.




Hey, I thought you were British until this post :shrug:

Anyway, the striking thing about Americans, especially the middle-aged and older, is that they generally have so little idea about what's going on elsewhere. It's almost as if they think they're living in their own personal Truman Show.

Sometimes it's as if other people or countries don't even really exist, like New Zealand might as well be Narnia or some other fictional place where nothing applies to America.

Yeah it's every man for himself. Unfortunately Americans don't seem to have drawn the connection between that attitude and massive rates of gun crime, homicides, suicides, homelessness, shitty mental health treatment etc.

Americans who have travelled tend to be pretty switched on, in my experience, like anyone else. It's just that few seem to have travelled much outside of the USA.




Very well said. Yes, American media don't even report on international events anymore, unless they involve some war we're currently having.  And the media do this because, as you point out, there is very little demand for the information.  The bellicosity and myopia of the American masses is a very dangerous combination.  I can only imagine what will happen if there is another major attack on the U.S.

And yes, very few American citizens travel abroad, which would open their minds some.  Less than half of the population even own passports.


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It's the fact that you treat people in need as if they were merely lazy bums that demonstrates your selfishness.




Exactly!


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Re: Trump [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22930393 - 02/21/16 05:29 PM (5 years, 5 days ago)

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It's the fact that you treat people in need as if they were merely lazy bums that demonstrates your selfishness.




It's selfish to want to keep what I've earned? But not for people to demand I give it to them???




I guess so...:facepalm:


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Re: Trump [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22930406 - 02/21/16 05:31 PM (5 years, 5 days ago)

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It's the fact that you treat people in need as if they were merely lazy bums that demonstrates your selfishness.




It's selfish to want to keep what I've earned? But not for people to demand I give it to them???




You are basically everything that's wrong with America. You will never, ever realise this though. So the others will have to drag you screaming into the 21st century.


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Re: Trump [Re: viktor]
    #22930443 - 02/21/16 05:38 PM (5 years, 5 days ago)

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It's the fact that you treat people in need as if they were merely lazy bums that demonstrates your selfishness.




It's selfish to want to keep what I've earned? But not for people to demand I give it to them???




You are basically everything that's wrong with America. You will never, ever realise this though. So the others will have to drag you screaming into the 21st century.



While I agree with you about lack of community and narcissism. Socialist style redistribution of wealth is not the answer.


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Re: Trump [Re: Loyola10] * 1
    #22930450 - 02/21/16 05:40 PM (5 years, 5 days ago)

Redistribution of wealth is inevitable if you decrease the level of narcissism in a society. The less narcissistic people are, the less happy they will feel from being wealthier than other people around them.

The only way you can enjoy being wealthy when there is such great poverty in your country is if you are a narcissist. There's no way around that. Reduce the narcissism, and people will naturally give their money and time away to the needy.


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Re: Trump [Re: viktor]
    #22930461 - 02/21/16 05:43 PM (5 years, 5 days ago)

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Redistribution of wealth is inevitable if you decrease the level of narcissism in a society. The less narcissistic people are, the less happy they will feel from being wealthier than other people around them.



Many wealthy people earn their money due to the sheer joy of the work they do. It has nothing to do with feeling superior. While some are snobbish and elitist others are not. In any case if you remove the incentive for them to accumulate wealth society will suffer in the long haul.


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Re: Trump [Re: Loyola10]
    #22930465 - 02/21/16 05:44 PM (5 years, 5 days ago)

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In any case if you remove the incentive for them to accumulate wealth society will suffer in the long haul.




How does society benefit from people hoarding wealth now?


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Re: Trump [Re: viktor]
    #22930491 - 02/21/16 05:48 PM (5 years, 5 days ago)

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In any case if you remove the incentive for them to accumulate wealth society will suffer in the long haul.




How does society benefit from people hoarding wealth now?



The wealth is earned by providing a service to the public. Even the poor in america have cars air conditioning and televisions. A hundred years ago even a king could not have purchased such items. So the lower echelons benefit from the innovation. I aspire to be wealthy one day and run my own business. I'm not doing it because I want to lord it over people I am doing it because I have a unique idea and I will provide a service to the market. Take that away and you have stagnation. I get were you your coming from but people need to learn for themselves the right thing to do not be forced to do it through government edicts it defeats the purpose.


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Re: Trump [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #22930502 - 02/21/16 05:52 PM (5 years, 5 days ago)

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I love the Bern, but $14 Trillion over 10 years to pay for universal health care? There is NO way even according to liberal Democratic experts to pay for that.



All of Sanders's proposals are well possible. It's just that American culture is based on shitting on the younger, poorer, dumber and weaker, and as such there is little political will to carry out the sort of things that other countries manage with ease.



I'm sure you haven't looked closely at the numbers.



Actually, we dove into the numbers starting here.  Bernie's plan is definitely doable.


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Re: Trump [Re: Loyola10]
    #22930509 - 02/21/16 05:54 PM (5 years, 5 days ago)

I'm not talking about government edicts. I'm saying that as the level of narcissism in American society inevitably decreases with the decline and death of the baby boomers, people will naturally be more compassionate and charitable. This will lead to them voting to give more of their own money away in the form of higher taxes.


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Re: Trump [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22930541 - 02/21/16 05:59 PM (5 years, 5 days ago)

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Ive traveled quite a bit, mostly to Asia, and I don't believe any of this tripe about selfish Americans, I'm not selfish, I just don't want to support people who are lazy...



We're talking about healthcare here.  Do you think only lazy people need healthcare???  :wtf:


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Re: Trump [Re: Loyola10]
    #22930564 - 02/21/16 06:03 PM (5 years, 5 days ago)

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In any case if you remove the incentive for them to accumulate wealth society will suffer in the long haul.




How does society benefit from people hoarding wealth now?



The wealth is earned by providing a service to the public. Even the poor in america have cars air conditioning and televisions. A hundred years ago even a king could not have purchased such items. So the lower echelons benefit from the innovation. I aspire to be wealthy one day and run my own business. I'm not doing it because I want to lord it over people I am doing it because I have a unique idea and I will provide a service to the market. Take that away and you have stagnation. I get were you your coming from but people need to learn for themselves the right thing to do not be forced to do it through government edicts it defeats the purpose.



NO ONE wants to prevent anyone from making a lot of money.  The idea is that if you ever get filthy rich (and I hope you do), you need to pay a little more taxes.  You'll still get to be filthy rich.


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Re: Trump [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22930581 - 02/21/16 06:07 PM (5 years, 5 days ago)

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I'm not talking about government edicts. I'm saying that as the level of narcissism in American society inevitably decreases with the decline and death of the baby boomers, people will naturally be more compassionate and charitable. This will lead to them voting to give more of their own money away in the form of higher taxes.



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In any case if you remove the incentive for them to accumulate wealth society will suffer in the long haul.




How does society benefit from people hoarding wealth now?



The wealth is earned by providing a service to the public. Even the poor in america have cars air conditioning and televisions. A hundred years ago even a king could not have purchased such items. So the lower echelons benefit from the innovation. I aspire to be wealthy one day and run my own business. I'm not doing it because I want to lord it over people I am doing it because I have a unique idea and I will provide a service to the market. Take that away and you have stagnation. I get were you your coming from but people need to learn for themselves the right thing to do not be forced to do it through government edicts it defeats the purpose.



NO ONE wants to prevent anyone from making a lot of money.  The idea is that if you ever get filthy rich (and I hope you do), you need to pay a little more taxes.  You'll still get to be filthy rich.



Oh well thats totally different. As long as market capitalism is still in place I'd be fine with paying a reasonable tax rate. Going all soviet russia though I think would be a bad idea and I see alot of leftists going down that road which makes me leery.


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Re: Trump [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22930601 - 02/21/16 06:11 PM (5 years, 5 days ago)

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Reduce the narcissism, and people will naturally give their money and time away to the needy.




You're assuming Americans don't already do this, we are charitable, just some of us don't want it to be through govt.

YOU are everything that is wrong with the world. You assume because someone has more than you they should feel some obligation to share it with YOU.

I give plenty to charity. You don't see that as charity though, because it's not going to YOU, or who you think it SHOULD go to, you only see charity as something to be forced under the threat of violence.


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Re: Trump [Re: hostileuniverse] * 2
    #22930651 - 02/21/16 06:21 PM (5 years, 5 days ago)

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You're assuming Americans don't already do this, we are charitable, just some of us don't want it to be through govt.




You're not charitable though, that's the point. Why do you have far more homeless, poor, gun deaths etc. compared to other countries? Because you're not a charitable people, no matter how many times you try and repeat that you are. You're simply not.


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Re: Trump [Re: viktor]
    #22930656 - 02/21/16 06:22 PM (5 years, 5 days ago)

I don't care if any money goes to me. I have enough.


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Re: Trump [Re: viktor]
    #22930692 - 02/21/16 06:28 PM (5 years, 5 days ago)

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You're assuming Americans don't already do this, we are charitable, just some of us don't want it to be through govt.




You're not charitable though, that's the point. Why do you have far more homeless, poor, gun deaths etc. compared to other countries? Because you're not a charitable people, no matter how many times you try and repeat that you are. You're simply not.




Can you tell me why your country didn't give fuck all to Haiti after its earthquake? You're a greedy country, shame shame...

And what does gun violence have to do with charity????

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Re: Trump [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22930783 - 02/21/16 06:48 PM (5 years, 5 days ago)

If you're charitable to people, they commit less gun violence.


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