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The Broockman/Ahler paper, published in July, is about more than just immigration; it examines the range of public opinion on several issues. On each, the authors gave a scientifically-selected group of respondents a broad range of policy options. On immigration, they listed seven possibilities, ranging from open borders to shutting down all immigration. These are the options Broockman and Ahler presented to respondents:

1. The United States should have open borders and allow further immigration on an unlimited basis.

2. Legal immigration to the United States should greatly increase among all immigrant groups, regardless of their skills. Immigrants already in the United States should be put on the path to citizenship.

3. Immigration of highly skilled individuals should greatly increase. Immigration by those without such skills should continue at its current pace, although this immigration should be legalized.

4. Immigration of highly skilled individuals should greatly increase, and immigration among those without such skills should be limited in time and/or magnitude, e.g., through a guest worker program.

5. The United States should admit more highly skilled immigrants and secure the border with increased physical barriers to stem the flow of other immigrants.

6. Only a small number of highly skilled immigrants should be allowed into the United States until the border is fully secured, and all illegal immigrants currently in the U.S. should be deported.

7. Further immigration to the United States should be banned until the border is fully secured, and all illegal immigrants currently in the U.S. should be deported immediately.

Here are the results Broockman and Ahler got: 4.7 percent supported Option One; 17.4 percent supported Option Two; 10.8 percent supported Option Three; 12.0 percent supported Option Four; 17.0 percent supported Option Five; 13.8 percent supported Option Six; and 24.4 percent supported Option Seven.

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KauaiOrca said:

Trump is popular for one reason --- The alternatives are so weak.

GWB destroyed the faith people used to have in the GOP and you're 100% right that the GOP majorities in the house and senate have showed the GOP, again, to be impotent.

Obama has destroyed the faith a lot of people had in the Democrats as he came in with huge majorities in the Senate and House and over reached on Obamacare.

Trump is just a rejection of status quo politics and politicians nobody believes has the conviction or political skills to do anything about the fundamental problems (immigration, jobs stagnation, inefficient spending, globalism, predatory corporatism, insane drug laws, etc.)

He is so utterly and completely aggressive on the attack in debates he will be a real handful when the herd gets culled down.  One thing I haven't heard ANYTHING about from Trump is his plans on spending, debt, shrinking government, etc.  With all his talk about Reagan lately, I fear he's going to follow Reagan and be another big spender, huge borrower (Reagan did triple the national debt) and continue to blame it all on illegal immigrants.

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qman said:

If he really could execute his economic plan (canceling the trade agreements and deporting illegals), revenues would soar higher and a surplus would likely result.

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KauaiOrca said:

qman said:

If he really could execute his economic plan (canceling the trade agreements and deporting illegals), revenues would soar higher and a surplus would likely result.

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How exactly does canceling trade agreements and deporting illegal aliens make "revenues soar."  That's a very provocative assertion.

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Stonehenge said:

I guess we have to explain everything to those with no clue about how business and the economy works. Deporting the illegals lowers the crime rate and makes us safer, it also lowers the costs associated with illegals. But one of the main benefits of deportation is that jobs become plentiful. The tpp and other agreements are secret but you can bet they are secret for a reason. Trump will do away with all that crap and make usa great again.

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KauaiOrca said:

Stonehenge said:

I guess we have to explain everything to those with no clue about how business and the economy works. Deporting the illegals lowers the crime rate and makes us safer, it also lowers the costs associated with illegals. But one of the main benefits of deportation is that jobs become plentiful. The tpp and other agreements are secret but you can bet they are secret for a reason. Trump will do away with all that crap and make usa great again.

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So it is your position that illegal aliens are taking the good jobs away that Americans are eager to fill?  Long lines of Americans that want to tend and pick crops, clean hotel rooms and cut lawns?  Is that your position.

I get the point about deporting criminals, that's obvious. 

And, so we get rid of trade agreements ... you think American corporations are just going to quickly invest billions and billions in new higher cost manufacturing facilities in the US just like that?  Pretty optimistic view given that we have a demand problem not a supply issue. The globe is awash in supply.

That's something that seems to escape the attention of many.  What we have in the US is a DEMAND ISSUE.  Deporting illegals will not change that.  Most of the jobs illiegals fill Americans have no interest in. 

What about the estimated 150 billion in legal costs to deport all these people and the time element meaning it would take decades.  Have you factored that in to how quickly Trump might "turn things around?"

You guys don't think things through.

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"estimated 150 billion in legal costs to deport"

Which is BS put out by the pro illegal supporters, and it wouldn't take decades.  You start deporting the bad ones, you fine employers of illegals and then you take away all the benefits from the government.  In a matter of a few years, they will all be leaving.

We have a DEMAND problem in the US because of the lack of wages and unemployment!!!  Guess what?  When you put tariffs on imports, you start making the product in the US, remember like we did 25 years ago!!!  Guess what happens when you deport illegals?  Wages move HIGHER and demand increases.

When you start manufacturing in the US, you create jobs which creates more DEMAND, this isn't rocket science, you reverse the things they destroyed the US working class in the first place, do you have memory issues?

KauaiOrca said:

What Trump is really suggesting, when you strip away all the hoopla, is much higher taxes on corporations and products coming into America.

It's that simple.  That means higher prices.  Whether or not that translate to a booming economy and more manufacturing here in the USA and a new spirit of just paying employees more and giving shareholders less would make an interesting debate.

It's not that easy to just reneg on global trade agreements.  There are unintended consequences when a country breaks an agreement of that significance.  I'm not sure all the Trump followers even care. 

It isn't CHINA that's killing us, it's AMERICAN Corporations that have no interest in helping America grow that is killing us.  They are interested in the cheapest place to make their products so they give more profits to a tiny number of people on the planet. 

If Trump is running on starting a trade and currency war globally, then maybe someone should think that through and relay all the possible consequences.  Kinda like what GWB should have done before he invaded Iraq with a huge ground force that started a multi year nation building project and trillions of US dollars lost.

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  Yeah, bringing jobs back to the US is like starting a stupid war 5000 miles away for the US, work on your analogies.

We are already in a global trade and currency war, the only ones not to fire a shot is the US.

Stonehenge said:

>So it is your position that illegal aliens are taking the good jobs away that Americans are eager to fill?

Yes, soon as wages rise to a level that americans are comfortable with they will grab the jobs. Many people want the jobs now but are shoved aside by illegals.

>What about the estimated 150 billion in legal costs to deport all these people and the time element meaning it would take decades.

If we do things the obumble way, which you once again seem to be endorsing, then it might cost that much. Do it the logical way, no papers, then out you go and it will cost a fraction of that and very little time. You also overlook the savings of not having to provide services to those bums. The program will pay for itself the first year and reap many rewards in the future.

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Arctic W. Fox said:

I find it interesting that people's racism and xenophobia is enough to make them think they know how the global monetary system works.

ROTFLMMFAO@#MERIKKKA

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Stonehenge said:

Good job trying to explain the obvious, qman. But its shoveling shit against the tide, since there are none so blind as those who will not see. They will simply have to be outvoted and when pres trump fixes things, they will still bitch but will enjoy a better standard of living. Then of course they will try to give all the credit to obumble just as they blame obumble's fumbles on shrub.

fish
>You do realize that the President has limited power, don't you

You forget obumble's many instances of overreaching. "I have a pen and a phone" The dems look at the constitution as a minor hindrance to their commie plans.

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Arctic W. Fox said:

I find it interesting that people's racism and xenophobia is enough to make them think they know how the global monetary system works.

ROTFLMMFAO@#MERIKKKA

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Best post of the day ... by far.  Maybe of the entire month.  1,000

Stonehenge said:

You forget obumble's many instances of overreaching. "I have a pen and a phone" The dems look at the constitution as a minor hindrance to their commie plans.

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Obama? The dems? 

If you look at this chart you will see that Obama has issued fewer executive orders than any president since Grover Cleveland.  That means fewer than GW Bush, Bush Sr., and Reagan:

Astral Pain said:

The fact he only has four vetoes with both houses being GOP controlled tells us the republicans are total sellouts. Mitch McConnell and John Boehner wouldn't dare hand Barry something he would veto, so everything handed to him gets signed.

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“The truth is, even with all the actions I’ve taken this year, I’m issuing executive orders at the lowest rate in more than 100 years.  So it’s not clear how it is that Republicans didn’t seem to mind when President Bush took more executive actions than I did.”

–President Obama, speech in Austin, July 10, 2014

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“The history is that I have issued fewer executive actions than most of my predecessors, by a long shot. The difference is the response of Congress — and specifically the response of some of the Republicans…. If you ask historians, take a look at the track records of the modern presidency, I’ve actually been very restrained.”

–Obama, interview on ABC News’ “This Week,” Nov. 23, 2014

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The Ecstatic said:

How many more Trump threads do we need to create to talk about Obama?

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ballsalsa said:

haven't you heard dude? Obama rapes grandmothers and eats infant children in their cribs.  He is apparently the Muslim Anti-Christ, and he is single-handedly leading us all to our doom in a lake of fire.

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You really need to start a thread to address these concerns of yours.

Astral Pain said:

The Ecstatic said:

How many more Trump threads do we need to create to talk about Obama?

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I hear ya, but when a snarky Obamabot jumps in it needs to be dealt with immediately.

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Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on. According to Pew Research, among others, there is great hatred towards Americans by large segments of the Muslim population. Most recently, a poll from the Center for Security Policy released data showing “25% of those polled agreed that violence against Americans here in the United States is justified as a part of the global jihad” and 51% of those polled, “agreed that Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to Shariah.” Shariah authorizes such atrocities as murder against non-believers who won’t convert, beheadings and more unthinkable acts that pose great harm to Americans, especially women.

    Mr. Trump stated, “Without looking at the various polling data, it is obvious to anybody the hatred is beyond comprehension. Where this hatred comes from and why we will have to determine. Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life. If I win the election for President, we are going to Make America Great Again.”

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Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. Whenever the Attorney General finds that a commercial airline has failed to comply with regulations of the Attorney General relating to requirements of airlines for the detection of fraudulent documents used by passengers traveling to the United States (including the training of personnel in such detection), the Attorney General may suspend the entry of some or all aliens transported to the United States by such airline.

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Astral Pain said:

It's getting out of hand the way they're reporting this as unconstitutional and unprecedented. They're making themselves look really dumb by not being honest about the law and reality of the situation.

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Astral Pain said:

Suspending the entry of aliens is constitutional and has been done before by Jimmy Carter in 1979 during the hostage crisis.

Carter Banned Iranians from Coming to US During Hostage Crisis

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Astral Pain said:

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Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.

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EXACTLY.  You can't just ban them because you don't like Muslims.  You need to put some kind of criteria around which ones should be banned.

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this is exactly what Mr. Trump is talking about, suspending immigrations until we can figure out what "kind of criteria" we should be using to weed out the good from the bad

YOU agree with Mr. Trump!

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

You need to figure out the criteria BEFORE you randomly start banning Muslims. 

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hostileuniverse said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

You need to figure out the criteria BEFORE you randomly start banning Muslims. 

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so until then, just let them all in? good plan

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No, don't "let them all in".



Until then, continue the existing screening process, which is relatively stringent.

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Until then, continue the existing screening process, which is relatively stringent.

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hostileuniverse said:

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Until then, continue the existing screening process, which is relatively stringent.

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the 9/11 terrorists, the boston bombers, the san bernadino terrorists all passed our "relatively stringent" screening processes,

so... keep letting them in?

i don't think the risk to american lives is worth it, but thats just me, surely there is time to suspend this program, its not like the muslims are going anywhere...

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burgerbrain said:

hostileuniverse said:

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Until then, continue the existing screening process, which is relatively stringent.

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the 9/11 terrorists, the boston bombers, the san bernadino terrorists all passed our "relatively stringent" screening processes,

so... keep letting them in?

i don't think the risk to american lives is worth it, but thats just me, surely there is time to suspend this program, its not like the muslims are going anywhere...

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The political libtards in our government love to let these fuckers in.. Look at Deerborn, MI.. WTF is this shit

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Sulfurshelfsean said:

burgerbrain said:

hostileuniverse said:

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Until then, continue the existing screening process, which is relatively stringent.

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the 9/11 terrorists, the boston bombers, the san bernadino terrorists all passed our "relatively stringent" screening processes,

so... keep letting them in?

i don't think the risk to american lives is worth it, but thats just me, surely there is time to suspend this program, its not like the muslims are going anywhere...

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The political libtards in our government love to let these fuckers in.. Look at Deerborn, MI.. WTF is this shit

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/02/dearborn-mi-where-muslims-are-americans.html
The Dearborn "no-go zone" myth? It's a fanciful myth, what about it?

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Sulfurshelfsean said:

I've heard those myths as well. And no I don't believe in myths.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/nogozones.asp

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These are not full-fledged no-go zones but, as the French nomenclature accurately indicates, "sensitive urban zones." In normal times, they are unthreatening, routine places. But they do unpredictably erupt, with car burnings, attacks on representatives of the state (including police), and riots.

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A few [Zones Urbaines Sensibles] are truly no-go zones, while most are just areas where the government is focusing more development and police require special procedures to operate. A few (NOT ALL of the 751 ZUS, as falsely reported in "anti-jihadist blogs") of these zones, primarily around Paris, are under control of radical Islamists.

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Department of Homeland Security whistleblower Philip Haney gave an extensive interview to Breitbart News Daily on Friday morning, in which he discussed an investigation that might have stopped the San Bernardino jihad attack… but was scuttled by Homeland Security brass for politically-correct reasons.

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The FBI has taken heat for failing to immediately classify the San Bernardino shootings as terrorism, but a new report shows that FBI reluctance could have been due to external pressure from the White House.

A source told Jack Murphy of SOFREP that the FBI instantly believed the shooting, which left 14 dead, to be a clear act of terrorism. The White House, however, didn’t feel the same way and quickly moved in to squash the terror classification.

This source added that as soon as the shooting took place, Obama convened a meeting with the National Security Council and the heads of other federal enforcement agencies to discuss a public relations strategy.

Part of the reason for trying to avoid the designation of the shootings as terrorism is because it threatens to upset the Obama administration’s strategy in Syria. A case of Islamic terrorism in the U.S. would put additional pressure on the administration to play a much more active role in the conflict.

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The religious director at the Islamic Center of Triplex says he was asked to resign following his public remarks supporting a proposal by Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, to temporarily ban travel for all Muslims coming into the U.S.

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Alsayyed said more than 100 imams have been asked to leave around Houston because of a galloping political agenda.  He claims they are being told to either support political correctness or leave.  Alsayyed told 12News a board member has vocally and financially supported democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.

"We in this country as imams are getting unfair treatment when they are being forced to manufacture or go with some political campaigning and not considering the safety and peace of the people," Alsayyed said.

Alsayyed is a moderate Islamic scholar who has served not just in Beaumont's Triplex, but also in various teaching positions in the U.S. dating back to 1989.

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