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The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers
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I am quite certain his support and resulting poll numbers are based on his stance on illegal immigration, and I do believe was spot on when he said that nobody would be talking about it if he didn't bring it out in the open. I do believe this is one of if not the most important issue most are concerned about, and I am myself being one of the latter two. The way things have been and are now being handled with the immigration process is alarming to say the least, and I think to put this notion into perspective it's best to throw a few figures out before I go on any further.
There are currently 104,000 Criminal illegal aliens on the streets of this country, and I would imagine this number is rising rapidly by the day. Out of this group it is known that there are 193 with homicide convictions, 246 with sexual assault convictions, and 16,000 with drunk driving arrests, as well as more than a third of all federal drug charge sentences.
Out of the 104,000, 68,000 of them were not even started in the deportation process, and 36,000 were released during the deportation proceedings. This was in direct defiance of our immigration laws by our current administration, and must be put to an end to save this country from being overridden with foreign criminals.
There are over 200 so called sanctuary cities that have become a haven for illegal criminals. This is due to the fact the police are forbidden to enforce immigration laws that would result in them being reported to immigration and customs enforcement(ICE),and begin the deportation process.
There was a recent article that covers a paper/poll that spells out how Americans truly feel about the illegal immigration situation we are faced with. The all of the MSM and countless pundits jumped all over Trump, and all while taking his initial speech out of context on immigration to paint his views as extreme. What this article has shown is that Americans may have a far more extreme stance on immigration that we've all been led to believe from the MSM.
Here's the gist of the said article I've attached below. Note that nearly 25% voted for option #7 which is the most extreme, and more than 50% picking the top 3 harshest choices. This is the demographic Trump has tapped into.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/are-trumps-immigration-views-out-of-the-mainstream/article/2570298
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The Broockman/Ahler paper, published in July, is about more than just immigration; it examines the range of public opinion on several issues. On each, the authors gave a scientifically-selected group of respondents a broad range of policy options. On immigration, they listed seven possibilities, ranging from open borders to shutting down all immigration. These are the options Broockman and Ahler presented to respondents:
1. The United States should have open borders and allow further immigration on an unlimited basis.
2. Legal immigration to the United States should greatly increase among all immigrant groups, regardless of their skills. Immigrants already in the United States should be put on the path to citizenship.
3. Immigration of highly skilled individuals should greatly increase. Immigration by those without such skills should continue at its current pace, although this immigration should be legalized.
4. Immigration of highly skilled individuals should greatly increase, and immigration among those without such skills should be limited in time and/or magnitude, e.g., through a guest worker program.
5. The United States should admit more highly skilled immigrants and secure the border with increased physical barriers to stem the flow of other immigrants.
6. Only a small number of highly skilled immigrants should be allowed into the United States until the border is fully secured, and all illegal immigrants currently in the U.S. should be deported.
7. Further immigration to the United States should be banned until the border is fully secured, and all illegal immigrants currently in the U.S. should be deported immediately.
Here are the results Broockman and Ahler got: 4.7 percent supported Option One; 17.4 percent supported Option Two; 10.8 percent supported Option Three; 12.0 percent supported Option Four; 17.0 percent supported Option Five; 13.8 percent supported Option Six; and 24.4 percent supported Option Seven.
What Trump has done is given a voice for those in this country who are well aware of the situation at hand, and what we are faced with regarding the current administration's total disregard of the rule of law on immigration. If we don't derail this train that is handing this country away to foreigners we will no longer be a nation. A nation without borders in not a nation. I think others in the GOP have learned that immigration is what Trump's poll numbers are riding on and have jumped on this issue as well.
What's In Donald Trump's Immigration Plan And How It Could Affect The GOP
http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/17/432605103/whats-in-donald-trumps-immigration-plan
Immigration Reform That Will Make America Great Again
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform
Illegal immigrants responsible for almost three-fourths of federal drug possession sentences in 2014
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/illegal-immigrants-responsible-for-almost-three-fourths-of-federal-drug-possession-sentences-in-2014/article/2567814
Map: Over 200 'sanctuary cities' in 32 states and D.C.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/map-over-200-sanctuary-cities-in-32-states-and-d.c./article/2567880
Sen. Ted Cruz at Hearing on the Administration’s Immigration Enforcement
I know, I know. Nobody likes Ted Cruz, but you can't throw the baby out with the bath water. I myself practically chug copious amounts of bath water in search to find as many babies as possible.
I recommend the entire 8 min video, but skip to 5:25 for the figures I listed above.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: Astral Pain]
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I fully agree with the guy.
These people broke your laws from the get go. They didn't respect your country from day one. Why the hell would you allow them to stay? Might as well reward criminal activity.
Plus these people get abused. Some of them owe their lives to the druglord who brought them in. Some even have kidnapped children to buy back from the smuggler. They are being abused by the American workforce because they get shit salaries, it's scary and immoral and wrong.
Borders exists for a reason.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: Patlal]
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Exactly 
Those who voted to get the republicans into majority in the house and senate under the premise they would stop the Obama administration in it's tracks were slapped in the face. Mitch McConnell and company surrendered every weapon they had to defeat the left immediately after taking the senate, and when Trump came out like gangbusters against the liberal media and with plans to save our country from being lawlessly invaded, it was bye bye for the republican establishment.
Why the hell would they be trusted with the white house when they stabbed every voter in the back who got them majority in the house and senate. If a democrat or rino gets into office it's instant amnesty and open borders which will tip the voter scales in favor of the democrats. Illegals rewarded citizenship will vote democrat in return. This must be stopped.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: Astral Pain]
#22122905 - 08/21/15 02:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mitch McConnell surrendered the power of the purse immediately which was to be used to defund Obamacare which they had assured they would do if voted in. Another utter back stab was when the republicans came up with the Corker bill for the Iran deal. This turned the treaty clause upside down. Instead of Obama needing 2/3rds supermajority in the republican controlled senate for approval, now the republicans need supermajority to override an Obama veto. This was sold as giving congress power to vote on the deal. This is a total sellout by the republicans and will not be forgotten at the voting booth.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: Astral Pain]
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It may not be forgotten... by the few dozen people that follow along. Sadly, not enough do.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: Astral Pain]
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I totally agree with the need to toss them out and the wimpy backstabbing behavior of the gop which has revealed for all to see that they are no different than the dems and just make different speeches. Whenever there is an evil bill like the tpp, one side is for it and the other side against but then the side that's against, just enough cross over to make it happen.
The media has the loony left so brainwashed they think its a good policy to keep the illegals and let more in. I saw enlil say we should have totally open borders, just for example. They cry about no jobs or only part time jobs but don't put the blame where it belongs.
I'm starting to really think trump will win. It would be a revolution without the bloodshed. The media will be furious and will attack him relentlessly so there is no way he could give away the treasury to the big money people like obumble did. He would be forced to keep his promises and will be reelected in a land slide.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: Stonehenge]
#22125537 - 08/22/15 04:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Trump is popular for one reason --- The alternatives are so weak.
GWB destroyed the faith people used to have in the GOP and you're 100% right that the GOP majorities in the house and senate have showed the GOP, again, to be impotent.
Obama has destroyed the faith a lot of people had in the Democrats as he came in with huge majorities in the Senate and House and over reached on Obamacare.
Trump is just a rejection of status quo politics and politicians nobody believes has the conviction or political skills to do anything about the fundamental problems (immigration, jobs stagnation, inefficient spending, globalism, predatory corporatism, insane drug laws, etc.)
He is so utterly and completely aggressive on the attack in debates he will be a real handful when the herd gets culled down. One thing I haven't heard ANYTHING about from Trump is his plans on spending, debt, shrinking government, etc. With all his talk about Reagan lately, I fear he's going to follow Reagan and be another big spender, huge borrower (Reagan did triple the national debt) and continue to blame it all on illegal immigrants.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: KauaiOrca]
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KauaiOrca said: Trump is popular for one reason --- The alternatives are so weak.
GWB destroyed the faith people used to have in the GOP and you're 100% right that the GOP majorities in the house and senate have showed the GOP, again, to be impotent.
Obama has destroyed the faith a lot of people had in the Democrats as he came in with huge majorities in the Senate and House and over reached on Obamacare.
Trump is just a rejection of status quo politics and politicians nobody believes has the conviction or political skills to do anything about the fundamental problems (immigration, jobs stagnation, inefficient spending, globalism, predatory corporatism, insane drug laws, etc.)
He is so utterly and completely aggressive on the attack in debates he will be a real handful when the herd gets culled down. One thing I haven't heard ANYTHING about from Trump is his plans on spending, debt, shrinking government, etc. With all his talk about Reagan lately, I fear he's going to follow Reagan and be another big spender, huge borrower (Reagan did triple the national debt) and continue to blame it all on illegal immigrants.
"his plans on spending, debt"
If he really could execute his economic plan (canceling the trade agreements and deporting illegals), revenues would soar higher and a surplus would likely result.
Obama had some of the lowest spending growth in 40-50 years, what has it produced? No economic activity.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: qman]
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If he really could execute his economic plan (canceling the trade agreements and deporting illegals), revenues would soar higher and a surplus would likely result.
How exactly does canceling trade agreements and deporting illegal aliens make "revenues soar." That's a very provocative assertion.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: KauaiOrca]
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I guess we have to explain everything to those with no clue about how business and the economy works. Deporting the illegals lowers the crime rate and makes us safer, it also lowers the costs associated with illegals. But one of the main benefits of deportation is that jobs become plentiful. The tpp and other agreements are secret but you can bet they are secret for a reason. Trump will do away with all that crap and make usa great again.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: KauaiOrca]
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If he really could execute his economic plan (canceling the trade agreements and deporting illegals), revenues would soar higher and a surplus would likely result.
How exactly does canceling trade agreements and deporting illegal aliens make "revenues soar." That's a very provocative assertion.
Bringing manufacturing back to the US creates businesses which pay taxes, they also need to hire people that aren't currently working and paying taxes. Why do I have to explain this basic concept?
The deporting of illegals makes great economic sense considering they use 8 TIMES more in tax revenue than they contribute, once again very basic math at work.
When Apple manufactures its products in Indonesia and China, those workers never pay taxes to the US on their income, they never spend their wages in the US, and Apple never pays taxes on sales out of the US.
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Stonehenge said: I guess we have to explain everything to those with no clue about how business and the economy works. Deporting the illegals lowers the crime rate and makes us safer, it also lowers the costs associated with illegals. But one of the main benefits of deportation is that jobs become plentiful. The tpp and other agreements are secret but you can bet they are secret for a reason. Trump will do away with all that crap and make usa great again.
So it is your position that illegal aliens are taking the good jobs away that Americans are eager to fill? Long lines of Americans that want to tend and pick crops, clean hotel rooms and cut lawns? Is that your position.
I get the point about deporting criminals, that's obvious.
And, so we get rid of trade agreements ... you think American corporations are just going to quickly invest billions and billions in new higher cost manufacturing facilities in the US just like that? Pretty optimistic view given that we have a demand problem not a supply issue. The globe is awash in supply.
That's something that seems to escape the attention of many. What we have in the US is a DEMAND ISSUE. Deporting illegals will not change that. Most of the jobs illiegals fill Americans have no interest in.
What about the estimated 150 billion in legal costs to deport all these people and the time element meaning it would take decades. Have you factored that in to how quickly Trump might "turn things around?"
You guys don't think things through.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: KauaiOrca]
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What Trump is really suggesting, when you strip away all the hoopla, is much higher taxes on corporations and products coming into America.
It's that simple. That means higher prices. Whether or not that translate to a booming economy and more manufacturing here in the USA and a new spirit of just paying employees more and giving shareholders less would make an interesting debate.
It's not that easy to just reneg on global trade agreements. There are unintended consequences when a country breaks an agreement of that significance. I'm not sure all the Trump followers even care.
It isn't CHINA that's killing us, it's AMERICAN Corporations that have no interest in helping America grow that is killing us. They are interested in the cheapest place to make their products so they give more profits to a tiny number of people on the planet.
If Trump is running on starting a trade and currency war globally, then maybe someone should think that through and relay all the possible consequences. Kinda like what GWB should have done before he invaded Iraq with a huge ground force that started a multi year nation building project and trillions of US dollars lost.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: KauaiOrca]
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>So it is your position that illegal aliens are taking the good jobs away that Americans are eager to fill?
Yes, soon as wages rise to a level that americans are comfortable with they will grab the jobs. Many people want the jobs now but are shoved aside by illegals.
>What about the estimated 150 billion in legal costs to deport all these people and the time element meaning it would take decades.
If we do things the obumble way, which you once again seem to be endorsing, then it might cost that much. Do it the logical way, no papers, then out you go and it will cost a fraction of that and very little time. You also overlook the savings of not having to provide services to those bums. The program will pay for itself the first year and reap many rewards in the future.
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Hate illegal aliens? annex mexico. make them all citizens subject to U.S. law.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Stonehenge said: I guess we have to explain everything to those with no clue about how business and the economy works. Deporting the illegals lowers the crime rate and makes us safer, it also lowers the costs associated with illegals. But one of the main benefits of deportation is that jobs become plentiful. The tpp and other agreements are secret but you can bet they are secret for a reason. Trump will do away with all that crap and make usa great again.
So it is your position that illegal aliens are taking the good jobs away that Americans are eager to fill? Long lines of Americans that want to tend and pick crops, clean hotel rooms and cut lawns? Is that your position.
I get the point about deporting criminals, that's obvious.
And, so we get rid of trade agreements ... you think American corporations are just going to quickly invest billions and billions in new higher cost manufacturing facilities in the US just like that? Pretty optimistic view given that we have a demand problem not a supply issue. The globe is awash in supply.
That's something that seems to escape the attention of many. What we have in the US is a DEMAND ISSUE. Deporting illegals will not change that. Most of the jobs illiegals fill Americans have no interest in.
What about the estimated 150 billion in legal costs to deport all these people and the time element meaning it would take decades. Have you factored that in to how quickly Trump might "turn things around?"
You guys don't think things through.
"estimated 150 billion in legal costs to deport"
Which is BS put out by the pro illegal supporters, and it wouldn't take decades. You start deporting the bad ones, you fine employers of illegals and then you take away all the benefits from the government. In a matter of a few years, they will all be leaving.
We have a DEMAND problem in the US because of the lack of wages and unemployment!!! Guess what? When you put tariffs on imports, you start making the product in the US, remember like we did 25 years ago!!! Guess what happens when you deport illegals? Wages move HIGHER and demand increases.
When you start manufacturing in the US, you create jobs which creates more DEMAND, this isn't rocket science, you reverse the things they destroyed the US working class in the first place, do you have memory issues?
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: KauaiOrca]
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KauaiOrca said: What Trump is really suggesting, when you strip away all the hoopla, is much higher taxes on corporations and products coming into America.
It's that simple. That means higher prices. Whether or not that translate to a booming economy and more manufacturing here in the USA and a new spirit of just paying employees more and giving shareholders less would make an interesting debate.
It's not that easy to just reneg on global trade agreements. There are unintended consequences when a country breaks an agreement of that significance. I'm not sure all the Trump followers even care.
It isn't CHINA that's killing us, it's AMERICAN Corporations that have no interest in helping America grow that is killing us. They are interested in the cheapest place to make their products so they give more profits to a tiny number of people on the planet.
If Trump is running on starting a trade and currency war globally, then maybe someone should think that through and relay all the possible consequences. Kinda like what GWB should have done before he invaded Iraq with a huge ground force that started a multi year nation building project and trillions of US dollars lost.
Yeah, bringing jobs back to the US is like starting a stupid war 5000 miles away for the US, work on your analogies.
We are already in a global trade and currency war, the only ones not to fire a shot is the US.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said: >So it is your position that illegal aliens are taking the good jobs away that Americans are eager to fill?
Yes, soon as wages rise to a level that americans are comfortable with they will grab the jobs. Many people want the jobs now but are shoved aside by illegals.
>What about the estimated 150 billion in legal costs to deport all these people and the time element meaning it would take decades.
If we do things the obumble way, which you once again seem to be endorsing, then it might cost that much. Do it the logical way, no papers, then out you go and it will cost a fraction of that and very little time. You also overlook the savings of not having to provide services to those bums. The program will pay for itself the first year and reap many rewards in the future.
So you think that Trump can just circumvent the American justice system and our due process laws? What do you think the Supreme Court will say? You do realize that the President has limited power, don't you? Again, you're not thinking. This is how we got into Iraq. THINK.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: qman]
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Good job trying to explain the obvious, qman. But its shoveling shit against the tide, since there are none so blind as those who will not see. They will simply have to be outvoted and when pres trump fixes things, they will still bitch but will enjoy a better standard of living. Then of course they will try to give all the credit to obumble just as they blame obumble's fumbles on shrub.
fish >You do realize that the President has limited power, don't you
You forget obumble's many instances of overreaching. "I have a pen and a phone" The dems look at the constitution as a minor hindrance to their commie plans.
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I find it interesting that people's racism and xenophobia is enough to make them think they know how the global monetary system works.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
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Arctic W. Fox said: I find it interesting that people's racism and xenophobia is enough to make them think they know how the global monetary system works.
ROTFLMMFAO@#MERIKKKA
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said: Good job trying to explain the obvious, qman. But its shoveling shit against the tide, since there are none so blind as those who will not see. They will simply have to be outvoted and when pres trump fixes things, they will still bitch but will enjoy a better standard of living. Then of course they will try to give all the credit to obumble just as they blame obumble's fumbles on shrub.
fish >You do realize that the President has limited power, don't you
You forget obumble's many instances of overreaching. "I have a pen and a phone" The dems look at the constitution as a minor hindrance to their commie plans.
I've pointed out his different over reach mistakes in great detail as opposed to vague claims as you make. I'm obviously aware of his shortcomings.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: Arctic W. Fox] 1
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Arctic W. Fox said: I find it interesting that people's racism and xenophobia is enough to make them think they know how the global monetary system works.
ROTFLMMFAO@#MERIKKKA
Best post of the day ... by far. Maybe of the entire month. 1,000
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: Stonehenge]
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You forget obumble's many instances of overreaching. "I have a pen and a phone" The dems look at the constitution as a minor hindrance to their commie plans.
Obama? The dems?
If you look at this chart you will see that Obama has issued fewer executive orders than any president since Grover Cleveland. That means fewer than GW Bush, Bush Sr., and Reagan:
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: Sidestreet]
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None of which has anything to do with what I said. Typical left wing strawman.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: Stonehenge]
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Please do elaborate then, because it seemed pretty obvious to me that you were talking about executive orders. That chart is, at the least, evidence to the contrary of your statement that Obama has "overreached" his authority in many instances.
Also you may want to look up the meaning of "straw man."
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: Sidestreet]
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It may be "obvious" to you with your left wing bias but nowhere did I say executive orders, in fact I spoke of the dems having little regard for the constitution. To give a chart of such orders, even if correct which I do no assume, does not change the fact that obumble and the dems will flout the constitution any time they can get away with it. You might want to look up the definition of strawman yourself, sunshine.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: Stonehenge]
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My opinion on Trump running for President: ..lol k then.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge, your "arguments" aren't much more than ad hominem attacks and a refusal to acknowledge any source of data that you haven't hand-picked. Your name-calling does not strengthen your position.
But just for fun, to what alleged overreaching are you referring?
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: Sidestreet]
#22229897 - 09/13/15 03:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's his memorandas that puts him over the top.
Obama issues 'executive orders by another name' By issuing his directives as "memoranda" rather than executive orders, Obama has downplayed the extent of his executive actions.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/12/16/obama-presidential-memoranda-executive-orders/20191805/
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/12/16/using-stealthy-tactic-obama-is-on-track-to-take-more-high-level-executive-actions-than-any-president-since-harry-truman/
The fact he only has four vetoes with both houses being GOP controlled tells us the republicans are total sellouts. Mitch McConnell and John Boehner wouldn't dare hand Barry something he would veto, so everything handed to him gets signed.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: Astral Pain]
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Astral Pain said: The fact he only has four vetoes with both houses being GOP controlled tells us the republicans are total sellouts. Mitch McConnell and John Boehner wouldn't dare hand Barry something he would veto, so everything handed to him gets signed.
Or Obama is the total sellout. He often tries to appease the Republican party, which is why an awful lot of Democrats dislike him.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Obumble is your man, fal. You guys put him in the white house twice, it was not conservatives who did it.
AP, how does he get away with that? What is a memo and what force does it have? Or is it an executive order under a different name? He might call it a suggestion or a recipe for brownies and its still the same thing.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: Stonehenge]
#22233989 - 09/13/15 08:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's an executive order under a different name but will draw less attention than an executive order would. Like the guy above and his chart proving to you that Obama doesn't take executive actions by looking only at his executive orders. The memos seem to be done with things he would like to keep out of the spotlight(gun control and amnesty) that an executive order would be under.
He has boasted about it in the past.
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“The history is that I have issued fewer executive actions than most of my predecessors, by a long shot. The difference is the response of Congress — and specifically the response of some of the Republicans…. If you ask historians, take a look at the track records of the modern presidency, I’ve actually been very restrained.”
–Obama, interview on ABC News’ “This Week,” Nov. 23, 2014
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: Astral Pain]
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How many more Trump threads do we need to create to talk about Obama?
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: The Ecstatic]
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haven't you heard dude? Obama rapes grandmothers and eats infant children in their cribs. He is apparently the Muslim Anti-Christ, and he is single-handedly leading us all to our doom in a lake of fire.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: ballsalsa]
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The Ecstatic said: How many more Trump threads do we need to create to talk about Obama?
I hear ya, but when a snarky Obamabot jumps in it needs to be dealt with immediately.
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You really need to start a thread to address these concerns of yours.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: Astral Pain]
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: Astral Pain]
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I hear ya, but when a snarky Obamabot jumps in it needs to be dealt with immediately.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: The Ecstatic]
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In this instance the person above who bumped this thread after 20 days with an Obama executive order graph. I think Obama has been used as a straw man in other threads when experience has been brought up against Trump.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: Astral Pain]
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Oh damn didn't even see the date disparity.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: Astral Pain]
#22637085 - 12/10/15 04:05 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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I couldn't think of a more suitable place in which to place these important Trump videos and current news without starting a new thread.
It's getting out of hand the way they're reporting this as unconstitutional and unprecedented. They're making themselves look really dumb by not being honest about the law and reality of the situation. I guess they figure there's enough people out there viewing MSM news exclusively that they take as gospel to spread their word. I swear, if an alien visited this planet and watched the mainstream news, they would think this was a muslim country being invaded by christian terrorists.
Trump’s Muslim Ban Is Not ‘Fascist,’ and Is Not Unconstitutional
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/08/trumps-muslim-ban-not-fascist-not-unconstitutional/
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Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on. According to Pew Research, among others, there is great hatred towards Americans by large segments of the Muslim population. Most recently, a poll from the Center for Security Policy released data showing “25% of those polled agreed that violence against Americans here in the United States is justified as a part of the global jihad” and 51% of those polled, “agreed that Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to Shariah.” Shariah authorizes such atrocities as murder against non-believers who won’t convert, beheadings and more unthinkable acts that pose great harm to Americans, especially women.
Mr. Trump stated, “Without looking at the various polling data, it is obvious to anybody the hatred is beyond comprehension. Where this hatred comes from and why we will have to determine. Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life. If I win the election for President, we are going to Make America Great Again.”
Suspending the entry of aliens is constitutional and has been done before by Jimmy Carter in 1979 during the hostage crisis.
Carter Banned Iranians from Coming to US During Hostage Crisis
http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/261062/carter-banned-iranians-coming-us-during-hostage-daniel-greenfield
8 USC 1182(f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1182
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Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. Whenever the Attorney General finds that a commercial airline has failed to comply with regulations of the Attorney General relating to requirements of airlines for the detection of fraudulent documents used by passengers traveling to the United States (including the training of personnel in such detection), the Attorney General may suspend the entry of some or all aliens transported to the United States by such airline.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: Astral Pain] 1
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Astral Pain said: It's getting out of hand the way they're reporting this as unconstitutional and unprecedented. They're making themselves look really dumb by not being honest about the law and reality of the situation.
Banning an entire religion from visiting the United States is absolutely unprecedented. There are ~10 million Muslims in the US, and if you think it's ok to ban their friends/families who are citizens in Europe (for example), that's WAY beyond anything this country has ever done.
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Astral Pain said: Suspending the entry of aliens is constitutional and has been done before by Jimmy Carter in 1979 during the hostage crisis.
Carter Banned Iranians from Coming to US During Hostage Crisis
There's a HUGE difference between suspending aliens from a country known to be an enemy of the United States and banning Muslims worldwide because you don't like their religion.
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Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.
EXACTLY. You can't just ban them because you don't like Muslims. You need to put some kind of criteria around which ones should be banned.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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EXACTLY. You can't just ban them because you don't like Muslims. You need to put some kind of criteria around which ones should be banned.
this is exactly what Mr. Trump is talking about, suspending immigrations until we can figure out what "kind of criteria" we should be using to weed out the good from the bad
YOU agree with Mr. Trump!
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: hostileuniverse]
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You need to figure out the criteria BEFORE you randomly start banning Muslims.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: You need to figure out the criteria BEFORE you randomly start banning Muslims. 
so until then, just let them all in? good plan
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: hostileuniverse]
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so until then, just let them all in? good plan
No, don't "let them all in".

Until then, continue the existing screening process, which is relatively stringent.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Until then, continue the existing screening process, which is relatively stringent.
the 9/11 terrorists, the boston bombers, the san bernadino terrorists all passed our "relatively stringent" screening processes,
so... keep letting them in?
i don't think the risk to american lives is worth it, but thats just me, surely there is time to suspend this program, its not like the muslims are going anywhere...
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: hostileuniverse]
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Until then, continue the existing screening process, which is relatively stringent.
the 9/11 terrorists, the boston bombers, the san bernadino terrorists all passed our "relatively stringent" screening processes,
so... keep letting them in?
i don't think the risk to american lives is worth it, but thats just me, surely there is time to suspend this program, its not like the muslims are going anywhere...
The political libtards in our government love to let these fuckers in.. Look at Deerborn, MI.. WTF is this shit
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: burgerbrain]
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Until then, continue the existing screening process, which is relatively stringent.
the 9/11 terrorists, the boston bombers, the san bernadino terrorists all passed our "relatively stringent" screening processes,
so... keep letting them in?
i don't think the risk to american lives is worth it, but thats just me, surely there is time to suspend this program, its not like the muslims are going anywhere...
The political libtards in our government love to let these fuckers in.. Look at Deerborn, MI.. WTF is this shit
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/02/dearborn-mi-where-muslims-are-americans.html The Dearborn "no-go zone" myth? It's a fanciful myth, what about it?
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
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Until then, continue the existing screening process, which is relatively stringent.
the 9/11 terrorists, the boston bombers, the san bernadino terrorists all passed our "relatively stringent" screening processes,
so... keep letting them in?
i don't think the risk to american lives is worth it, but thats just me, surely there is time to suspend this program, its not like the muslims are going anywhere...
The political libtards in our government love to let these fuckers in.. Look at Deerborn, MI.. WTF is this shit
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/02/dearborn-mi-where-muslims-are-americans.html The Dearborn "no-go zone" myth? It's a fanciful myth, what about it?
dailybeast? that libtard rag? The libtard rag didn't prove anything.
When these people had rocks thrown at them did that make Deerborn more "no-go" or not? American Muslims Stone Christians in Dearborn, MI (Original edit)
Or does this make Deerborn more of a "no-go" area in your mind? Why or why not? Dearborn Michigan Hate Fest - Dearborn Arab Festival
I guess we should all be thankful for this kind of speech? Is this what you're saying? American Muslims celebrating 9/11
You do know that there are "no-go" zones in Europe where muslims practice Sharia law? Or did this fact elude your liberal mind?
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I've heard those myths as well. And no I don't believe in myths.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/nogozones.asp
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Sulfurshelfsean said: I've heard those myths as well. And no I don't believe in myths.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/nogozones.asp
Yeah libs, who desperately want Muslims here, are trying debunk "no go" zones, that's hilarious,
You're own article actually confirms the existence of these areas
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These are not full-fledged no-go zones but, as the French nomenclature accurately indicates, "sensitive urban zones." In normal times, they are unthreatening, routine places. But they do unpredictably erupt, with car burnings, attacks on representatives of the state (including police), and riots.
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A few [Zones Urbaines Sensibles] are truly no-go zones, while most are just areas where the government is focusing more development and police require special procedures to operate. A few (NOT ALL of the 751 ZUS, as falsely reported in "anti-jihadist blogs") of these zones, primarily around Paris, are under control of radical Islamists.
Maybe "no go" zone isn't entirely accurate, but it's not like the police police these areas like they do the rest of their cities, they take major precautions when going there, now why is that?
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: hostileuniverse]
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: Astral Pain]
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The apologetic behavior has gone his far. Wow
Exclusive–DHS Whistleblower Philip Haney: P.C. Killed Investigation That Might Have Stopped San Bernardino Attack
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/11/dhs-whistleblower-philip-haney-p-c-killed-investigation-might-stopped-san-bernardino-attack/
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Department of Homeland Security whistleblower Philip Haney gave an extensive interview to Breitbart News Daily on Friday morning, in which he discussed an investigation that might have stopped the San Bernardino jihad attack… but was scuttled by Homeland Security brass for politically-correct reasons.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: Astral Pain]
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Philip Haney interview last night.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: Astral Pain]
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Report: Obama Told NSC And FBI To ‘Downplay’ Terrorist Angle Of San Bernardino
http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/10/report-obama-told-nsc-to-downplay-terrorist-angle-of-san-bernadino/
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The FBI has taken heat for failing to immediately classify the San Bernardino shootings as terrorism, but a new report shows that FBI reluctance could have been due to external pressure from the White House.
A source told Jack Murphy of SOFREP that the FBI instantly believed the shooting, which left 14 dead, to be a clear act of terrorism. The White House, however, didn’t feel the same way and quickly moved in to squash the terror classification.
This source added that as soon as the shooting took place, Obama convened a meeting with the National Security Council and the heads of other federal enforcement agencies to discuss a public relations strategy.
Part of the reason for trying to avoid the designation of the shootings as terrorism is because it threatens to upset the Obama administration’s strategy in Syria. A case of Islamic terrorism in the U.S. would put additional pressure on the administration to play a much more active role in the conflict.
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Re: The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers [Re: Astral Pain]
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and this is what happens when moderate muslims speak out against the radicals...
http://www.12newsnow.com/story/30721619/local-imam-fired-after-speaking-out-in-support-of-trumps-proposed-muslim-travel-ban
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The religious director at the Islamic Center of Triplex says he was asked to resign following his public remarks supporting a proposal by Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, to temporarily ban travel for all Muslims coming into the U.S.
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Alsayyed said more than 100 imams have been asked to leave around Houston because of a galloping political agenda. He claims they are being told to either support political correctness or leave. Alsayyed told 12News a board member has vocally and financially supported democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.
"We in this country as imams are getting unfair treatment when they are being forced to manufacture or go with some political campaigning and not considering the safety and peace of the people," Alsayyed said.
Alsayyed is a moderate Islamic scholar who has served not just in Beaumont's Triplex, but also in various teaching positions in the U.S. dating back to 1989.
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