shivas.wisdom said:

FoolOfElysium said:

I appreciate the confessions one particular Antifa member on this board has made. It's nothing I hadn't thought about prior, but it allows me to have a FAR more open conversation about it, unless you want to come down on this poster as a conspiracy theorist.

Yall choose, otherwise I'm taking his word on it. Because I believe he has connections now. I've no reason to doubt him.

---

This confession?

Third option: Baby_Hitler was satirizing your wild beliefs regarding Antifa™, but you can't see through all that confirmation bias. That you think what-should-be obvious satire is a true confession says a lot about your powers of discernment.

---

Seriously_trippin said:

FoolOfElysium said:

Quote:

Antifa is a very simple ideology:  Anti-fascism.

---

Just because you define something by a title doesn't mean it behaves as such.

Antifa calls itself anti-fascist, but their behavior whenever they show up in public is quite the opposite. EVERYTHING they do on the streets is authoritarian... and if you slip up and make one little mistake, the entire mob descends on you. They are willing to destroy property, initiate aggression against law-enforcement, block traffic (which is temporarily holding people hostage), and celebrate the death of people like Charlie Kirk.

Enlil, let's get real. How do you think most of America was going to respond when we realize Antifa wants people like ME dead simply for having an opinion?

Cuz I don't want them dead. I just want them to wake the fuck up. But I also don't want to inconvenience regular Americans that have nothing to do with this fight, but THEY will... And that is the fundamental difference between me and them.

I will NEVER be like them, because those heartless BASTARDS don't even stop to consider anyone around them that isn't one of *THEM.* Either you're their ally, or you're nothing more than trash, and therefore fuck your property, your business, your 9-5 job... you're irrelevant. That's their attitude. It makes my blood boil.

It's like Mormonism and all their culty behavior, but without a God or a Holy Book and somehow STILL far worse. It's not like this is my first rodeo. I'd be yawning, because I've seen this one plenty of times before, but it's so ridiculously existential this time. I appreciate the confessions one particular Antifa member on this board has made. It's nothing I hadn't thought about prior, but it allows me to have a FAR more open conversation about it, unless you want to come down on this poster as a conspiracy theorist.

Yall choose, otherwise I'm taking his word on it. Because I believe he has connections now. I've no reason to doubt him.

They're useful little pawns, easily controlled, meant to disrupt the system so people higher up the ladder can continue to profit off the chaos and disarray. They have no problem betraying their own if shit hits the fan, because they have no loyalties to anything but an ever-changing agenda dictated to them from the shadows, and they have no way of knowing whose pulling their strings.

They do not think for themselves. There is simply the hive-mind, and you WILL be assimilated.

Fuck that.

---

This can be broken into simple parts. A) Enlil is 100% correct. They have no organization to try and dismantle. Anyone that wants to slap on a black mask and violently protest in the name of the ideology of anti fascism is antifa.

B) It seems like you dont have a clue what fascism or authoritarianism is. Your examples of authoritarianism: destroying stuff which is  rioting or crime. Aggressive against law enforcement is just crime. And in an authoritarian country like say North Korea that never would happen. Nor would the north Korean government fight their own police thats just stupid. Blocking traffic is just a public nuisance and protesting. They arent being held against their will.

They could get out of their car and walk away or move out of the way and reverse or drive the other way. What you mean is theyre trying to get somewhere and cant and its impractical for them to drive away which is not holding them hostage. Not a court in the world would call that holding someone hostage. What you mean to say is that its douchey and just shitty of them which I agree but dont just make shit up to fit your point. Celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk isnt fascism either. Its disgusting its wrong but its literally freedom of speech you just dont like what they're saying. Neither do I but its not fascist.

Nothing you listed is even remotely fascist. Now suing media companies and news organizations for things you dont like them saying about the president is textbook fascim. Literally every fascist country theres ever been has done that and having your FCC go after comedians that say things you dont like is fascist. Again thats right out of Putin or Xi's playbook. 
And C)

Your whole rant about antifa being fascist is completely out of a place of your feelings about them, not definitions of words in the English language.

I think theyre often thugs, that they dont ever make a good change for the country and theyre criminals but again thats just people that slap a mask on and go burn shit and commit crimes or protest.

Theres no leader of antifa, theres no branches, theres no one giving orders or trying to organize crime in spefic areas.

By any standard you could possibly apply to them they are not an organized group that you can tackle specifically. With gangs for example like ms13 theres leaders, theres branches across the nation that take orders from higher ups running a specific area of the country or higher ups in El Salvador. Thats an example of a criminal organization. Antifa is not organized, its not an organization. It is by all standards an ideology that some bad people use as their basis to commit crimes or stage protests.


Even Jihadism isnt an organization its an ideology. The difference is that ideology is used in actual terror organizations like ISIS Al Queda, The taliban, ISIS K.

Thats why every president in my lifetime since president Bush has gotten on tv and said we took out "insert name here" the leader of ISIS in "insert region here" and we took out 4 of the people that planned "insert terror attack here" Because theyre an a actual organized terror group.

---

Enlil said:

Antifa isn't a they. It's a concept.  You can't join antifa. You either are antifa or you are fascist.  There is no indifference to fascism.

---

FoolOfElysium said:

Enlil said:

Antifa isn't a they. It's a concept.  You can't join antifa. You either are antifa or you are fascist.  There is no indifference to fascism.

---

Of course it's a "they." Of course you can "join." Just like the title of their organization, lying about how they operate doesn't change the nature of how they operate.

Just because they are "decentralized" doesn't mean they don't organize. You can't do what they do unless they're FAR more than a concept.

---

GenericHero said:

He has a brother in law though

---

dinosaurs said:

the wikipedia article on antifa has an entire section dedicated to "Movement structure and ideology" which starts with the following:

"Antifa is not a unified organization but rather a movement without a hierarchical leadership structure, comprising multiple autonomous groups and individuals.

---

dinosaurs said:

the wikipedia article on antifa has an entire section dedicated to "Movement structure and ideology" which starts with the following:

"Antifa is not a unified organization but rather a movement without a hierarchical leadership structure, comprising multiple autonomous groups and individuals.

---

GenericHero said:

dinosaurs said:

the wikipedia article on antifa has an entire section dedicated to "Movement structure and ideology" which starts with the following:

"Antifa is not a unified organization but rather a movement without a hierarchical leadership structure, comprising multiple autonomous groups and individuals.

---

This is some of what the Whitehouse put out.

"Antifa recruits, trains, and radicalizes young Americans to engage in this violence and suppression of political activity, then employs elaborate means and mechanisms to shield the identities of its operatives, conceal its funding sources and operations in an effort to frustrate law enforcement..."

I wonder why they're having trouble uncovering sources of funding.

---

dinosaurs said:

what the fuck are you talking about?  the space force?  the space force and FBI are run by a fascist regime so no, try again.

---

Why are you so willingly blind? What does someone's *alignment* have to do with how much power they have? You're literally making the argument, "Trump's a fascist so he CANNOT be powerful." The fuck, mate!? The intentions of Trump and how much power his administration has are two entirely separate arguments.