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Offlineevilchipmunk
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Re: Atheism. [Re: JPZ]
    #2925536 - 07/25/04 08:45 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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Many say "well, you can't prove that (a or some) god/s don't exist. This is a false positive. As someone else pointed out just saying something exists because you can't prove that it doesn't make it exist. Every kid believes in Santa, who is to say that there isn't a fat guy living at the north pole?




If you said "you can't prove that a god doesn't exist, so he must exist", THAT is a false positive.  If you are saying, "You can't prove a god doesn't exist, so he MIGHT exist", that is something completely different.  As far as Santa goes.. well, a fat guy sitting in the snow at the north pole is a little more tangible than a god might be.

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we are just a small speck in infinite time...




We could also be a mind-bogglingly huge speck.  Things go inward, as well as outward, and there's only so far we can see in either direction.  Time-wise.. well, only the present moment really exists.  And there is no 'moment' that is more or less significant than any other, if you think beyond your own personal circumstances. :wink:


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Re: Atheism. [Re: vampirism]
    #2925542 - 07/25/04 08:49 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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Morrowind said:
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And what if the Universe is a massive consciousness conscious in exactly the way that you are?

I hate that the concept of God as an entity has been tarnished by the humanlike-God found in many religions. Tell me why the entire Universe can't be an entity. After all, your cells themselves are acting individually in a system. Maybe, just maybe, they are conscious to a degree.




If you read what i have posted in the DMT thread you'll find that you have summed up my positon on the subject.

Where you slipped up is when you presumed that an athiest is devoid of spirituality.

I'm an athiest in the classic sense,a blaspheamer.
There is no god,the bible was an opera based on morals that got mistaken for reality by a group of fools in sandals.

The concept of a creationist god should be rejected vocaly wherever it is encountered. Next time you see some nice christians tell them they are fucking stupid and smack them hard between the eyes with a small hammer.


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Re: Atheism. [Re: evilchipmunk]
    #2925543 - 07/25/04 08:51 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

"If you said "you can't prove that a god doesn't exist, so he must exist", THAT is a false positive. If you are saying, "You can't prove a god doesn't exist, so he MIGHT exist", that is something completely different. As far as Santa goes.. well, a fat guy sitting in the snow at the north pole is a little more tangible than a god might be. "

how about

"you can't prove god doesn't exist so you can't say it doesn't exist."


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Re: Atheism. [Re: evilchipmunk]
    #2925553 - 07/25/04 08:57 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I phoned Mrs God today,she said "that usless good for nothing drunk has been locked away for DUI's" I guess that solves the argument


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Offlineevilchipmunk
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Re: Atheism. [Re: kaiowas]
    #2925568 - 07/25/04 09:13 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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kaiowas said:
how about

"you can't prove god doesn't exist so you can't say it doesn't exist."




Exactly.  You can believe whatever you want, but without proof it's just a belief, and not worth arguing over. :wink:


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Re: Atheism. [Re: evilchipmunk]
    #2925581 - 07/25/04 09:24 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, but I wonder, what made someones believe, without arguments or proof, so very strong...

edit: I think, most people fall upon the false assumption that science and a 'godly' believe does exclude eachothers...


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Re: Atheism. [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #2925589 - 07/25/04 09:31 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

FEAR.


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Re: Atheism. [Re: Hanky]
    #2925591 - 07/25/04 09:32 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I'm sure many buddhists are afraid.


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Re: Atheism. [Re: Hanky]
    #2925599 - 07/25/04 09:38 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Good point, true for both sides. So let's try to overcome fear ? :smile:


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Re: Atheism. [Re: kaiowas]
    #2925605 - 07/25/04 09:42 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, I could believe that if you have no assumptions on the connectivities of reality, you flee either in some over-spiritualized godly believe or in some over-materialized scientific belief.
But is fear also the barrier between them ?

I don't think that these both concepts are incompatible...


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Re: Atheism. [Re: kaiowas]
    #2928192 - 07/26/04 09:58 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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kaiowas said:
I'm sure many buddhists are afraid.




We aren't talking about Buddhism.

Stay on topic.


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