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Offlineevilchipmunk
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Re: Atheism. [Re: PaintedDeath]
    #2917389 - 07/22/04 07:35 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you too.  Always good to hear someone else's  opinion. :wink:


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Re: Atheism. [Re: evilchipmunk]
    #2917858 - 07/22/04 09:16 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Two non-religious types: One's an asshole, the other isn't

Q: Do you believe in God?

Person #1: Uh, well I was raised Catholic, but I guess these days I'm sort of agnostic.

Person #2: Religion and God is nothing but a crutch for the weak. (Atheist?)

Thoughts?

Personally I have found agnostics or New Agers to be the least hostile towards my religious background (excluding fundamentalism in the Abrahamic faiths). With people like the Infidel Guy, Atheism might come off as hostile.


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Re: Atheism. [Re: evilchipmunk]
    #2917943 - 07/22/04 09:34 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, we may never know for sure, but recall that I lean towards Occom's Spoon.

We have overwhelming evidence that 1+1 = 2, and we also have overwhelming evidence that lightning is not caused by an omniscent being. However, like all theorems, one can refute them with a single contradictory example. I understand that you mean that God may have already put all these things into motion; to have lighting strike not so much haphazardly, but rather for a reason and a purpose at that specific moment in time.

As a logical human being, I know that nothing can be determined in its entirety. But whatever works shall be the rules of life I abide by. For everyone hoping there is a heaven or hell awaiting us, then do not condemn those who believe that we will become ashes and dust. Likewise, what proof is there to show that this existential dimension is just a ephemeral window for who knows what?

A reason an Atheist may seem bombastic can be easily seen if everyone would take a step back from their religion. Indeed, an Atheist definitely has evidence that a God does not exist on his/her side. More possibilities exist, and again I leave that to the reader to speculate.

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Re: Atheism. [Re: daba]
    #2918173 - 07/22/04 10:12 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

That all depends on what kind of 'omniscient god' you are talking about. :wink:  Maybe god is the universe, and the universe is completely aware of itself on all levels of perception.  How would you know?  The idea of god doesn't necessarily constitute some bearded guy sitting up in the clouds, playing with us like marionettes.  And unless you can really completely understand who or what a god might be (the possibilities of which are more or less inexhaustible), I don't think you have any evidence on whether a god could or could not exist, let alone 'overwhelming evidence'.


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Re: Atheism. [Re: evilchipmunk]
    #2918278 - 07/22/04 10:25 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

The "God" I refer to is the humanoid figure. I thought that was implied because the thread title is "Atheism." Such is the reason I spoke of God as a human-like figure this whole time.

Surely, we can attribute "God" to the unknown. God goes by many names; such as what you were saying. God can be "the universe" or "fate" as some may call it, or God may be Jesus. Essentially, they all point to the same thing: an answer for the unanswerable, that is, until they are answered by means of science. Then humans must think of more holes in their brain to kindle the spirit of God into their lives.

Now comes the protrusion from this whole topic (which I think may have been discussed already in S&P): Did God create humans or did humans create God?


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Re: Atheism. [Re: daba]
    #2918348 - 07/22/04 10:33 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Now comes the protrusion from this whole topic (which I think may have been discussed already in S&P): Did God create humans or did humans create God?

Perhaps it's both and righteousness is the middle-ground.


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Re: Atheism. [Re: daba]
    #2918435 - 07/22/04 10:45 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Now comes the protrusion from this whole topic (which I think may have been discussed already in S&P): Did God create humans or did humans create God?

My guess is: Both. 

If god is the universe, rather than having created it, we are merely a part of 'it', and in a way 'it' created us.. just as we also 'create' the cells in our bodies.  But we also create our own subjective reality, so the idea of god is a part of that creation, as well.

'Course, that's just my own personal belief. :tongue:  Heh.


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Re: Atheism. [Re: evilchipmunk]
    #2919513 - 07/23/04 05:28 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

you know, i find this post quite useless, i'm an atheist my self, and i've been reading whats goin on in here, and although there are good questions and responses, the bottom line is that i'm an atheist and your a christian. end of religion talk. if we were to talk about the actions of every arrogant asshole in the world, like the one you mentioned,...well, we'd be very stupid.


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Re: Atheism. [Re: exclusive58]
    #2919526 - 07/23/04 05:57 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

oh and by the way, i call my self an Atheist only because that's how the society labels me. I grew up in a society that made me believe that God was someone in the sky watching over us, and i decided to go my own way. my religion is myself.


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Re: Atheism. [Re: evilchipmunk]
    #2919624 - 07/23/04 07:44 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

"I don't understand is, how in the hell can they overlook the fact that there is also no proof of god's non-existence? If they can't accept the possibility that they could be wrong, doesn't that make them just as close-minded (if not more so, just because of that pretentious attitude) as those that adhere faithfully to different beliefs? "

atheism is a belief, and no it is not pretentious. being full of pretense means making an exaggerated outward or a false show. if they can't accept a remote possibility then that is how they view the world and existence. it could be considered closeminded, but it doesn't make them closeminded people.

we have to remember not to judge each other based only on our beliefs. the idea may be closeminded, but that doesn't say anything about the individual.

"I would just let it go, and leave beliefs out of it, but it really grates on my nerves every time he decides to slander other religions (namely Christianity). I'm not a Christian myself, but it still pisses me off to no end."

just don't let it bother you, that's just your ego taking control right there. you are imposing your will upon the situation, namely, you want this person to listen to you, or even change their viewpoint. use this time when you feel pissed to reflect on how you are feeling. be aware of what you are doing and feeling emotionally, especially when you feel negative. this only causes a barrier between you and your friend, and it looks as though it is making it tough for you two to share the "us" space. your judgement of right and wrong are only complicating things for you more, and doing nothing positive at all.

sure the person is "rebelling" but I went through that stage too, it may pass it may not. that's for this person to decide..no?


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Re: Atheism. [Re: exclusive58]
    #2919630 - 07/23/04 07:47 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

For one thing,  I'm not a Christian.  :tongue:  And I wasn't trying to bitch about the 'arrogant asshole' for the sake of bitching, I just wanted advice on how to deal with him.


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Re: Atheism. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #2919637 - 07/23/04 07:51 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

"Big bang. Pretty well established by now. "

some scientists think otherwise


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.


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Re: Atheism. [Re: kaiowas]
    #2919644 - 07/23/04 07:53 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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just don't let it bother you, that's just your ego taking control right there. you are imposing your will upon the situation, namely, you want this person to listen to you, or even change their viewpoint. use this time when you feel pissed to reflect on how you are feeling. be aware of what you are doing and feeling emotionally, especially when you feel negative. this only causes a barrier between you and your friend, and it looks as though it is making it tough for you two to share the "us" space. your judgement of right and wrong are only complicating things for you more, and doing nothing positive at all.





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Re: Atheism. [Re: evilchipmunk]
    #2919652 - 07/23/04 07:58 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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I just wanted advice on how to deal with him.





Like Kaiowas said, you don't deal with them. That was my whole point.


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Re: Atheism. [Re: exclusive58]
    #2919658 - 07/23/04 08:01 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

"oh and by the way, i call my self an Atheist only because that's how the society labels me. I grew up in a society that made me believe that God was someone in the sky watching over us, and i decided to go my own way. my religion is myself. "

I don't like labels either.  we can shed all these labels that chain us down from really getting to know each other better, I'm taking about in society.  we are concerned with our label that we think this idea is a part of us.

this is not true, we are more than just one idea.  we are a culmination of our moment to moment experiences up until this point.  some people say there isn't a god.  I say cool! 

some poeple think there are prophets...equally as cool! 

some people don't know and say so...also cool!


now that we are all cool here, what do these labels mean?  hehe why not let go of some pride and trade it in for some respect!?!

btw, to that question of whether we created god or god created us, I'd say both.  the grey area!  :wink:


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.


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Re: Atheism. [Re: kaiowas]
    #2919666 - 07/23/04 08:05 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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kaiowas said:
atheism is a belief, and no it is not pretentious.  being full of pretense means making an exaggerated outward or a false show. if they can't accept a remote possibility then that is how they view the world and existence. it could be considered closeminded, but it doesn't make them closeminded people.




Maybe pretentious wasn't the word I was looking for?  Always associated it with a cocky attitude.  Anyway, as I mentioned before, I have no problem with this relative (or anyone else's) beliefs.  But I do find it irritating when Atheists, or members of any other religion, slander other religions on the basis that they think theirs is 'right', and others' are 'wrong', etc.
 
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we have to remember not to judge each other based only on our beliefs.  the idea may be closeminded, but that doesn't say anything about the individual.



   
They can believe whatever they want, and I wouldn't try to stop them.  But when they don't treat others with respect, that's what irks me, and it's hard to tolerate sometimes.

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just don't let it bother you, that's just your ego taking control right there.  you are imposing your will upon the situation, namely, you want this person to listen to you, or even change their viewpoint. use this time when you feel pissed to reflect on how you are feeling.  be aware of what you are doing and feeling emotionally, especially when you feel negative.  this only causes a barrier between you and your friend, and it looks as though it is making it tough for you two to share the "us" space. your judgement of right and wrong are only complicating things for you more, and doing nothing positive at all.




Maybe you're right on this one.  I guess all I can really do is bite my lip and bear it, and hope the person in question doesn't get shot one day, but it's hard not to let your morals seep through into your actions.  Thanks for your contribution to this post, Kiowas. :thumbup:


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Re: Atheism. [Re: evilchipmunk]
    #2919675 - 07/23/04 08:12 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I know what you mean by the irk when others are talking trash, but you will display great strength when you get over and accept the person. 

there's was a quote that I really love

"you do as much harm when you take offense as when you give it." -ken keyes

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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.


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Re: Atheism. [Re: kaiowas]
    #2919769 - 07/23/04 08:55 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Its like me saying i have an invisible porsche in my driveway. You cant prove it doesnt exist.


Im going to go park it in the middle of the street and watch people run into it :evil:


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Re: Atheism. [Re: CrazyShroomMan]
    #2920391 - 07/23/04 12:29 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Sometimes there's a thin line between being open minded and gullible..  But it's not quite that thin. :wink:


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Re: Atheism. [Re: evilchipmunk]
    #2921204 - 07/23/04 04:11 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

God is us.


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