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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pickle Rick] * 3
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Pickle Rick said:
had a few grains left over in the bag after mixing in with my sub and I sprinkled a few on the surface. the tub colonized -- WAY -- faster than the other one (same "strain"/isolation) -> 90% vs 40% colonized.

Whats the reason for casing layers?

Also - I'm about to send my first PE variety (trinity). Any particular instructions / recommendations?



Used to be called a frosting layer to throw grain on top,

Casing is to help crwate a microclimate morw condusive to pinning. If you have your totes/martha dialed then casing isnt entirely necessary, unless you’re growing PE. Idk if trinity blobs But it does seem that thicker casing forces morr thorough colonization before fruiting which generally leads to a better first flush, i get shitty pinsets when i skip pseuocasings..


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Screwup] * 3
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Screwup said:
Smellyhobbit said:
A word to the wise: treat your pressure cooker with respect. I just burned the shit out of my finger taking the lid off the same way I always have. It wasn’t pressurized or anything, but steam came out and scalded my finger badly.

Just be as cautious as you would around anything with that capability


Literally me every time I let the pressure go to 0 and then I’m all pikachu surprised when I open it and steam comes rolling out every single time




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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 3
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Glad you're ok. After 45 years on this planet I cant keep my fat head out a blazing hot freshly opened oven.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: NFLProof] * 8
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NFLProof said:
Glad you're ok. After 45 years on this planet I cant keep my fat head out a blazing hot freshly opened oven.


I like to eat pizza so hot it burns the skin from the roof of my mouth.



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: myc_ousin_vinny] * 9
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learning more and more every fucking day

ordered SARMS from the autist doctor to become even bigger

threw two 50 kg sawdust bag over my head today


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: smalltalk_canceled] * 1
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Yea buddy! Awesome work!


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Adas] * 5
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:mushroom2: Ate some APEs last saturday,  a shroomery swab.
They were WEAK! Anyways....

:shroomeryhead:

oysters and lions mane guys, thats what mushroom farms generally live off, also second selling equipment like agar plates, lcs, prints, pegs, grow bags. as growers we may not understand this, but there's a market out there for just recommending your own picked agar, coir, needles, SHIPS, LC containers, buying them bulk yourself, making some choice with them and then repacking for marked up sale

hell you could even aim at making the wildest grow bag because people order and pay for those.. but your main business is lions mane and oysters

:thumbup:
repacking coir bags at a premium!
selling higher prices 'special' agar recipes

but thats what comes with the territory in a hard as hell branch of business, im telling this to give people a rare glimpse

moving on

im seeing big gatekeepers in the career of going from cube grower to a gourmet grower running a facility

- business - do you have a business education?
- mechanics - can you meld, saw, cut, metal, for your boilers, for your pausterizing chamber
- Pipes/Water/Drainage can you do those
- can you build and repair hepa filter units/furniture
- can you build and repair fans, air tunnels
- can you alone handle the physical labour of making big bags
- can you build and maintain a clean room
- can you alone do all of this over time, reliably, while making money and paying out a salary to yourself?
- Lights/electricity
- Fans/Airflow/Air tightness, sealing rooms and devices

- can you get rid of all the trash your operation will produce?

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Space requirements:


1. the transfer room, which is a clean room too
2. a clean room
3. a incubation room
4. a fruiting room
5. a refrigerator room
6. a washing room
7- a office

thats the facility BEFORE we even talk about bags, you move the bags in there

for making the bags you need

- a autoclave
- a pasteurizing chamber
- a place for those to be
- ideally the autoclave and the pasteurizing chamber,
is LINKED to the 1. the transfer room !!IMPORTANT!!

you also need:
- a grain cooker
- a substrate mixer
- a bunch of bags/substrate
- connected water
- fans to adress heat
- sinks everwhere to get rid of your waste

I could go on and on and on ..... i mean its OVERWHELMING

how to even do it alone, to start with? most people dont even cover half of those skills in my experience


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: smalltalk_canceled] * 7
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Also - before I ban myself again - I wanted to say this

after learning more about how a true clean room is run

shroomery TCs and others need to take heed:

Its undercommunicated, the relevance of the room
that your are doing your transfers in.
Yes you can do cube grows with SABS and flows in rather unclean rooms,
but thats now how a proper clean room is built.

For homeproject clean rooms, clean tents like the ones you use for cannabis around the flowhood, with overpressure, is one very good solution

but most importantly, dont downtalk the importance of the room.
a clean room is a room you try to keep as sterile/sanitized as possible, in many many regards and on many levels

in a facility making mushrooms or mushrooms spawn, the transfer one is the cleanest of them all, also actively being tried to be kept that way

on a hardwork/annoyance level, it means "TOTALLY CLEANING EVERYTHING IN IT PERFECTLY EVERY TIME" while also entering perfectly clean

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also on a Personal Equipment level, in your "clean room", with a SAB, or a flow hood, you'd enter COMPLETELY CLEAN wearing top to toe equipment from the top to the bottom

you mask or cover everything except your eyes - even beard, hair type of masks

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AND, you wouldnt be wearing it, IF, you put the suit/clean clothes on imperfectly. You also have to come clean to workn, and put on your clean clothes correctly in the changing room.

Too many "mistakes" putting it on, and you would not be truly considered clean for the transfer

TLDR

it matters where they do the transfer because thats how clean rooms are ran. there is also NO LIMIT to how extreme you can go in maintaining cleanliness.

transfer room:
- perfectly clean hepa filtered overpressure in the room ITSELF
meaning clean air is pushing all particles out of the room
- the room directly connected to the pausteriziing chamer and the autoclave so you can open and take those without opening on the other side post cycle
-a big ass table with a big ass flow hood
- bag sealers
- a clean exit to the other true clean room or incubation room


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thats how much the room matters

ok banning myself again


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Edited by smalltalk_canceled (04/17/23 05:22 PM)

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: smalltalk_canceled] * 1
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Super interesting! :rockon:
Thanks for dropping in and sharing this :thumbup:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Melgo]
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I added a casing layer of coco coir after full colonization. I’ve never done this before but had some laying around. What Is the point of this? Should I mist daily? Also, how do fruits get triggered by light if there is a casing layer?

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Dj_karma_magnet] * 1
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Dj_karma_magnet said:
I added a casing layer of coco coir after full colonization. I’ve never done this before but had some laying around. What Is the point of this? Should I mist daily? Also, how do fruits get triggered by light if there is a casing layer?


A casing layer, or pseudo casing layer, can be beneficial with something like PE in particular. With most cubes it isn't necessary though. That being said, I'm in high desert and use a pseudo casing layer, often at the time of spawning to bulk, to give just a little extra moisture reservoir for the mycelium. AyePlus, a page or two back mentioned that a casing layer can help with encouraging pinning as well.

If the substrate is at proper field capacity, and isn't getting so much air flow that it's drying out, then there shouldn't generally be a need to mist until around the time of first harvest. But keeping an eye on surface conditions, especially once the surface is more colonized, is important.

As for light, think of it as being mostly for directionality for the fruits, not so much a pinning trigger. Moisture evaporation from the substrate surface is more important with regard to pinning. There is a great write up here by Stipe-n Cap that I would recommend for anyone interested:

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: johnukguy]
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Can someone tell me why my shoeboxes keep drying out around the time pins appear? After that point the tub basically stops doing anything.

My last one was 1/3 fine verm, kept in a Martha tent with 80% humidity.  The substrate shrinks down, away from the walls of the shoebox, presumably from the mycelium using up all the moisture?

It looks dry but still has some yellowing going on. So frustrated

Edited by Auron (04/18/23 08:08 PM)

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Auron]
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What’s your ratio of spawn:sub?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Auron] * 2
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Auron said:
Can someone tell me why my shoeboxes keep drying out around the time pins appear? After that point the tub basically stops doing anything.

My last one was 1/3 fine verm, kept in a Martha tent with 80% humidity.  The substrate shrinks down, away from the walls of the shoebox, presumably from the mycelium using up all the moisture?

It looks dry but still has some yellowing going on. So frustrated


Try a 1:6 spawn to coir ratio with no verm and leave the lid on. I don’t use a Martha and never even mist with no drying issues.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: johnukguy]
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Great response, thanks

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Smellyhobbit]
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Smellyhobbit said:
What’s your ratio of spawn:sub?


1:3. So there’s too much spawn and it’s getting to crowed in there? It’s always super densely colonized

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Auron] * 3
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I run 1:3 and it’s never a problem. Usually a cake getting shrunk like that is a sign of inadequate moisture, ie too little substrate. But I’m not sure. SPG says a higher ratio.
Maybe try that


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 1
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Smellyhobbit said:
I run 1:3 and it’s never a problem. Usually a cake getting shrunk like that is a sign of inadequate moisture, ie too little substrate. But I’m not sure. SPG says a higher ratio.
Maybe try that


I never had problems either when I did 1:3 with a 1 part pseudocasing, so I’m betting just leaving the lid on instead of trusting the Martha would would fix 99% of the problem.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: San Pedro Girl] * 2
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Oh I think I missed the tent part. Yeah man leave the lid on for sure


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Smellyhobbit]
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2 tubs sent on the same day. Both gt. The one that’s less colonized is fruiting more than the one that’s more colonized.. wtf 🤷🏻♂️



The one thats more colonized had some grainspawn sprinkled on the top


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Edited by Pickle Rick (04/23/23 08:55 PM)

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