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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow] * 3
    #28315498 - 05/11/23 09:35 AM (8 months, 15 days ago)

I think you're misunderstanding me.  I'm arguing that FAE aids colonization and that locking a tub shut to "increase CO2" is not helpful in any way.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mr Piggy] * 1
    #28315503 - 05/11/23 09:39 AM (8 months, 15 days ago)

Ah i thought you were saying co2 doesnt have an effect on cubes in general. It certainly does but probably not in aiding colonization. Although in nature co2 levels are higher where mycelium is growing (under cow shit or leaf litter) and they grow towards areas of lower co2 so i can easily see how that idea was formed.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #28315506 - 05/11/23 09:40 AM (8 months, 15 days ago)

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Something like this?

(Influence of CO 2 Concentrationon the Mycelium Growth of Three Pleurotus Specie s)




Cubes are not oysters.

A member got banned for insisting on similar lines and not letting go of it.

RIP Featherer, posting psudoscience in the great cloud in the sky.




Absolutely, I don't intend to purport them to be the same. Their exact conditions are different. I was just supposing a similar article as to referenced.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow] * 1
    #28315510 - 05/11/23 09:43 AM (8 months, 15 days ago)

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Ah i thought you were saying co2 doesnt have an effect on cubes in general. It certainly does but probably not in aiding colonization. Although in nature co2 levels are higher where mycelium is growing (under cow shit or leaf litter) and they grow towards areas of lower co2 so i can easily see how that idea was formed.




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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow] * 3
    #28315531 - 05/11/23 09:54 AM (8 months, 15 days ago)

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Mushboys statement was a definitive one about co2 not sinking and us not dying in ditches because of it.

Thats simply not true, it does sink and people have died. A shoebox with no air movement is like a scale model of earth with no air movement. I guarantee the co2 pools a little but probably not enough to cause issues.




You’re comparing a volcanic disaster to a shoebox?

and a shoebox with the lid on or off still has air current it’s not still.

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I think you're misunderstanding me.  I'm arguing that FAE aids colonization and that locking a tub shut to "increase CO2" is not helpful in any way.




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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #28315532 - 05/11/23 09:54 AM (8 months, 15 days ago)

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Ah i thought you were saying co2 doesnt have an effect on cubes in general. It certainly does but probably not in aiding colonization. Although in nature co2 levels are higher where mycelium is growing (under cow shit or leaf litter) and they grow towards areas of lower co2 so i can easily see how that idea was formed.




:nodofunderstanding:




when you have finished nodding your way up his behind i woukd like to tell you that I don't appreciate your attitude towards my statement.

your way of entering this debate is the precise reason why things degenerate in such places, and in society in general. and this doesnt have anything to do with how i feel about it. I actually don't care and if you would have taken time to read i have assumed fully that i cant prove shit, and that i also don't mind to be wrong.

but one thing for sure, your kind of attitude doesn't help.

as you can see from natedawgnow's response its not such a clear case as you want to make believe. so cool your jets a bit. would do you good.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
    #28315537 - 05/11/23 09:58 AM (8 months, 15 days ago)

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Mushboys statement was a definitive one about co2 not sinking and us not dying in ditches because of it.

Thats simply not true, it does sink and people have died. A shoebox with no air movement is like a scale model of earth with no air movement. I guarantee the co2 pools a little but probably not enough to cause issues.




You’re comparing a volcanic disaster to a shoebox?

and a shoebox with the lid on or off still has air current it’s not still.





first,  why not compare the two? and second, it depends on the shoebox, right?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: chris77] * 3
    #28315542 - 05/11/23 10:00 AM (8 months, 15 days ago)

I dunno it should be obvious I was speaking in the context of small tubs and a statement about co2 sinking and people dying in shallow ditches of co2 poisoning shouldnt be taken as a definitive statement that needs volcanos to prove a point.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
    #28315553 - 05/11/23 10:04 AM (8 months, 15 days ago)

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I dunno it should be obvious I was speaking in the context of small tubs and a statement about co2 sinking and people dying in shallow ditches of co2 poisoning shouldnt be taken as a definitive statement that needs volcanos to prove a point.




:wink:

is there nobody around who owns a CO2 meter? after all, that should be really easy to just go and measure it đŸ‘đŸŒ


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy] * 6
    #28315554 - 05/11/23 10:05 AM (8 months, 15 days ago)

I’ve done a lot of experiments with my shoe boxes regarding air exchange, temperature, moisture content, light, water pH, etc. Honestly, the air exchange, even if it technically does have an effect on growth, is so insignificant that I couldn’t record a repeatable difference in my shoe boxes.đŸ€· However, temp and moisture content were huge!


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: chris77] * 2
    #28315560 - 05/11/23 10:07 AM (8 months, 15 days ago)

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I dunno it should be obvious I was speaking in the context of small tubs and a statement about co2 sinking and people dying in shallow ditches of co2 poisoning shouldnt be taken as a definitive statement that needs volcanos to prove a point.




:wink:

is there nobody around who owns a CO2 meter? after all, that should be really easy to just go and measure it đŸ‘đŸŒ



Do it and post up results. Practical application trumps arguing theory any day.👍🙂


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #28315567 - 05/11/23 10:09 AM (8 months, 15 days ago)

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natedawgnow said:
Mushboys statement was a definitive one about co2 not sinking and us not dying in ditches because of it.

Thats simply not true, it does sink and people have died. A shoebox with no air movement is like a scale model of earth with no air movement. I guarantee the co2 pools a little but probably not enough to cause issues.




You’re comparing a volcanic disaster to a shoebox?

and a shoebox with the lid on or off still has air current it’s not still.

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Mr Piggy said:
I think you're misunderstanding me.  I'm arguing that FAE aids colonization and that locking a tub shut to "increase CO2" is not helpful in any way.




Exactly.



No dude im refuting your statement that co2 sinking is a myth. Its not. And the original question was a shoebox with a latching lid and gasket. If youre gonna refute my point you should do it honestly.

Point is you said co2 doesnt sink, well in fact it does. Nuff said


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #28315571 - 05/11/23 10:12 AM (8 months, 15 days ago)

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I dunno it should be obvious I was speaking in the context of small tubs and a statement about co2 sinking and people dying in shallow ditches of co2 poisoning shouldnt be taken as a definitive statement that needs volcanos to prove a point.



Except that you did make a definitive statement. Look man facts are that co2 sinks regardless of whether its a lake releasing 100000 lbs or a sealed shoebox. It sinks and thats that.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #28315572 - 05/11/23 10:12 AM (8 months, 15 days ago)

Co2 sinking in our small tubs is a myth I’ll stand by my statement.

I get what your saying tho you are correct.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy] * 2
    #28315576 - 05/11/23 10:14 AM (8 months, 15 days ago)

You can do whatever you like i dont really care. But for everyone else it is a fact that it sinks whether mushboy likes it or not.

Now does it have an effect on our boxes? Probably not but i can say from experience that my 8' x 20' edible grow room hates high co2 and i can easily see its effects in my fruit


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow] * 2
    #28315591 - 05/11/23 10:25 AM (8 months, 15 days ago)

After rereading that exchange at no point did I say it was a myth.

I said this

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Co2 doesn’t sink in tubs it diffuses with air if co2 sank like that we would die if we went into a ditch.





That is NOT the same as me saying co2 doesn’t sink. End of topic.

I said in tubs and I said sink like that.

Maybe my written skills are terrible but I do not think most people would take what I said as a blanket statement of co2 doesn’t sink anywhere in nature.

I’ll choose my words better Nate but I think you missed the mark.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #28315600 - 05/11/23 10:35 AM (8 months, 15 days ago)

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After rereading that exchange at no point did I say it was a myth.

I said this

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Co2 doesn’t sink in tubs it diffuses with air if co2 sank like that we would die if we went into a ditch.





That is NOT the same as me saying co2 doesn’t sink. End of topic.

I said in tubs and I said sink like that.

Maybe my written skills are terrible but I do not think most people would take what I said as a blanket statement of co2 doesn’t sink anywhere in nature.

I’ll choose my words better Nate but I think you missed the mark.



Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe this is Mushboy’s point


When I get dry ice in the mail, I always throw it in the sink with a bit of water for my daughter to play with the co2 vapor. It makes a dense fog that displaces all the air from the sink and is just about 100% co2 because it’s heavier than air. However, after the dry ice is gone, the co2 in the sink will diffuse and reach equilibrium with the rest of the air in the kitchen. This will happen even with the smallest amount of air exchange.

What mushboy is insinuating is perhaps that mycelium in a shoe box generates co2 at such a slow rate, that the shoe box will pretty much always be at equilibrium with the rest of the air in the room.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: San Pedro Girl] * 3
    #28315609 - 05/11/23 10:42 AM (8 months, 15 days ago)

This is also bruising?



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pickle Rick] * 1
    #28315611 - 05/11/23 10:46 AM (8 months, 15 days ago)

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This is also bruising?





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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: San Pedro Girl]
    #28315613 - 05/11/23 10:49 AM (8 months, 15 days ago)

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After rereading that exchange at no point did I say it was a myth.

I said this

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Co2 doesn’t sink in tubs it diffuses with air if co2 sank like that we would die if we went into a ditch.





That is NOT the same as me saying co2 doesn’t sink. End of topic.

I said in tubs and I said sink like that.

Maybe my written skills are terrible but I do not think most people would take what I said as a blanket statement of co2 doesn’t sink anywhere in nature.

I’ll choose my words better Nate but I think you missed the mark.



Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe this is Mushboy’s point


When I get dry ice in the mail, I always throw it in the sink with a bit of water for my daughter to play with the co2 vapor. It makes a dense fog that displaces all the air from the sink and is just about 100% co2 because it’s heavier than air. However, after the dry ice is gone, the co2 in the sink will diffuse and reach equilibrium with the rest of the air in the kitchen. This will happen even with the smallest amount of air exchange.

What mushboy is insinuating is perhaps that mycelium in a shoe box generates co2 at such a slow rate, that the shoe box will pretty much always be at equilibrium with the rest of the air in the room.



I dont know what kind of shoeboxes you are using, but mine are pretty tight when latched. i would be surprised if the gas inside would be mixed homogeneously.


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