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chris77
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#28315322 - 05/11/23 06:55 AM (8 months, 15 days ago) |
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mushboy said: i wasnt referring to this particular conversation with you. just this horse seems to be out and about for some reason.
those conditions are happening anyway because no tubs are air tight. the co2 raising and dropping is an illusion.
you know you can open air fruit cubes really easily? no lid ever. just helicopter misting.
like this tub.

wheres the co2?
put a substrate in a truly air tight tub like one for pet food and watch that shit die.
if you go further in one direction and the organism dies but the other direction like open air fruiting and they thrive?
for fruiting you want relatively low co2 levels contrary to colonization (levels of CO2 10x higher are ideal)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy] 1
#28315326 - 05/11/23 06:58 AM (8 months, 15 days ago) |
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Not that I'm in any place in this debate, but I think he's simply saying that high CO2 benefits the colonization of spawn, and perhaps continues on to even substrate, prior to bulk pinning.
I was curious and glanced at bulk oyster scientific articles that quote some margin of desirable PPM CO2 for initial colonization, followed by a great decrease in CO2 levels.
Whether that is relevant to any degree for our purposes, or better yet for our species, is another thing. Like you and others have tried and tested, I'm sure that any measurable difference in CO2 doesn't effect the end result, because both of you agree pinning / fruiting is a less CO2 rich environment, whereas it seems the contention is prior to that.
Granted, given the clear success of unmodified tubs I wouldn't be surprised if just the coir on top provides enough limiting factor of air exchange to the myc to cause it to seek up while expanding and pin just from that, no environmental consideration other than humidity needed. Which in effect would coincide with those oyster articles as well.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: chris77]
#28315328 - 05/11/23 06:59 AM (8 months, 15 days ago) |
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chris77 said:
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mushboy said: i wasnt referring to this particular conversation with you. just this horse seems to be out and about for some reason.
those conditions are happening anyway because no tubs are air tight. the co2 raising and dropping is an illusion.
you know you can open air fruit cubes really easily? no lid ever. just helicopter misting.
like this tub.

wheres the co2?
put a substrate in a truly air tight tub like one for pet food and watch that shit die.
if you go further in one direction and the organism dies but the other direction like open air fruiting and they thrive?
for fruiting you want relatively low co2 levels contrary to colonization (levels of CO2 10x higher are ideal)
EDIT: This also comes up rightfully so, as a topic. We see tubs of spaghetti whereas other growers grow dense stems (shure its genetics too, but not only, sometimes we see mushrooms crying for fresh air.. ) gasses do play an important role. thats my last line about it here. peace
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Edited by chris77 (05/11/23 07:33 AM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Kunta Kente] 3
#28315330 - 05/11/23 07:00 AM (8 months, 15 days ago) |
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i should clarify not open air fruiting open air growing.
from spawning to harvest no lid. i know what hes saying i disagree
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy] 4
#28315331 - 05/11/23 07:01 AM (8 months, 15 days ago) |
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where did you get this 10x higher is ideal number?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: chris77] 5
#28315398 - 05/11/23 07:57 AM (8 months, 15 days ago) |
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for fruiting you want relatively low co2 levels contrary to colonization (levels of CO2 10x higher are ideal)
Utter and complete horse shit.
It's been proven thousands of times over that this is not the case here. CO2 does not aid colonization, period.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: NFLProof]
#28315400 - 05/11/23 07:58 AM (8 months, 15 days ago) |
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NFLProof said: It's calibers wars in self defense discussions.
9mm polymer striker fired, also proven thousands of times over.
.45 is for your retarded racist uncle.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#28315425 - 05/11/23 08:32 AM (8 months, 15 days ago) |
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mushboy said: where did you get this 10x higher is ideal number?
its from a study done in the late sixties, I don't have it in front of me now. other sources talk about 3000-5000 ppm CO2 as ideal during colonization and they recommend a drop to around 500 for fruiting.
the idea behind being that it could accelerate mycelium growth.
i cannot debate this properly, i am no scientist, nor have i made excessive comparisons. but i will do a little comparison (although non scientific) but with a pretty homogenous cubensis. lets have 3 boxes properly tightly closed and 3 with a flipped lid from the get go...
but then again.. does anybody care? seems that there are two teams . the "its all been debunked and RR, Hamloaf and others are no longer up to date" team - which could be and would be just fine by me..
and there are the others, those who read different sources and follow their own observations.. i might be one of those. i dont care if i am right or wrong... soo.. all i care is to learn.
and if you showed me a study that has shown how CO2 doesn't play an important role, hey, why not. i will accept immediately !!
cheers peace
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mr Piggy]
#28315442 - 05/11/23 08:54 AM (8 months, 15 days ago) |
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Mr Piggy said:
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chris77 said:
for fruiting you want relatively low co2 levels contrary to colonization (levels of CO2 10x higher are ideal)
Utter and complete horse shit.
It's been proven thousands of times over that this is not the case here. CO2 does not aid colonization, period.
can you show how or where it has been proven to be good old horseshit?
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#28315444 - 05/11/23 08:56 AM (8 months, 15 days ago) |
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Kunta Kente] 4
#28315449 - 05/11/23 09:04 AM (8 months, 15 days ago) |
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I thought we were growing cubes, not pleurotus - got any studies specific to our desired species? Oysters have drastically different air needs than cubes, so it wouldn't surprise me if they were more sensitive to things of that nature.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Kunta Kente]
#28315450 - 05/11/23 09:05 AM (8 months, 15 days ago) |
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Kunta Kente said: Something like this?
(Influence of CO 2 Concentrationon the Mycelium Growth of Three Pleurotus Specie s)
ah yes, thank you . that's one of the sources. from the 70ies nevertheless. so i am getting ready for huge missiles being launched as we speak peacefully
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: PBJ710] 1
#28315453 - 05/11/23 09:10 AM (8 months, 15 days ago) |
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PBJ710 said: I thought we were growing cubes, not pleurotus - got any studies specific to our desired species? Oysters have drastically different air needs than cubes, so it wouldn't surprise me if they were more sensitive to things of that nature.
Oh 100% absolutely. But I highly doubt anyone can find a reasonable article about cube growth haha.
Regardless of these two, they both agree oxygen exchange is important for the little pins. That would coincide with that article. The other points of the article (high CO2 during spawn) can be debated and I have no clue. But I would think a reasonable estimation would be it's a mute point as those conditions for our use are at jars / bags prior to spawning to bulk. Once we get to the tub for bulk there's a higher air volume and diffusion and such. But a completely airtight grow from spawn to bulk until pins would be interesting.
I myself believe in the bod and will follow the unmodded tek until I fuck it up entirely.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy] 1
#28315462 - 05/11/23 09:17 AM (8 months, 15 days ago) |
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High concentrations of co2 do sink and lots of shit has died because of it
This particular incident killed over 1200 people. What was that you were saying, mush? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Nyos_disaster
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Kunta Kente] 3
#28315465 - 05/11/23 09:17 AM (8 months, 15 days ago) |
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chris77 said: for fruiting you want relatively low co2 levels contrary to colonization (levels of CO2 10x higher are ideal)
CO2 doesnโt actually exist. Itโs a myth like gravity.
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NFLProof said: It's calibers wars in self defense discussions.
Thereโs no war, everyone knows .22 is best.
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Mr Piggy said: 9mm polymer striker fired, also proven thousands of times over. .45 is for your retarded racist uncle.
Plastic guns are just unreliable toys. Real men carry steel revolvers.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow] 2
#28315467 - 05/11/23 09:19 AM (8 months, 15 days ago) |
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natedawgnow said: High concentrations of co2 do sink and lots of shit has died because of it
This particular incident killed over 1200 people. What was that you were saying, mush? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Nyos_disaster
Thatโs why underground parking garages have ventilation fans hooked up to CO2 monitors, but Iโm not sure it applies to something as small as a shoe box.
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Mushboys statement was a definitive one about co2 not sinking and us not dying in ditches because of it.
Thats simply not true, it does sink and people have died. A shoebox with no air movement is like a scale model of earth with no air movement. I guarantee the co2 pools a little but probably not enough to cause issues.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: chris77] 3
#28315485 - 05/11/23 09:28 AM (8 months, 15 days ago) |
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Mr Piggy said:
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for fruiting you want relatively low co2 levels contrary to colonization (levels of CO2 10x higher are ideal)
Utter and complete horse shit.
It's been proven thousands of times over that this is not the case here. CO2 does not aid colonization, period.
can you show how or where it has been proven to be good old horseshit?
Yes. Here, for the past six years and more. This is commonly known and has been proven through thousands of grows documented on here.
Fun fact about your statement, the burden of proof is on you. I cannot disprove a thing that does not exist. Further proof you can grow shrooms with exactly zero understanding of the scientific process 
But hey, keep pushing stamets science
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Kunta Kente] 4
#28315486 - 05/11/23 09:29 AM (8 months, 15 days ago) |
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Kunta Kente said: Something like this?
(Influence of CO 2 Concentrationon the Mycelium Growth of Three Pleurotus Specie s)
Cubes are not oysters.
A member got banned for insisting on similar lines and not letting go of it.
RIP Featherer, posting psudoscience in the great cloud in the sky.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mr Piggy] 2
#28315492 - 05/11/23 09:33 AM (8 months, 15 days ago) |
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Proven? Can you please show a thread where someone actually used a co2 monitor in a jar to measure concentration? Its proven that tubs with less FAE perform like shit. Lions mane and oysters grow like garbage in high co2 environments.
Reishi litterally grows in 2 different morphologies depending on co2 levels; antlers in high co2 and conks in low co2.
What is happenimg to this place? People post shit like they know but obviously dont.
Just because cubes arent oysters doesnt mean they arent affected by co2. Tubs with no fae grow like shit dude.
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