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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: drVetker] 1
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that’s 100% bacteria sorry dog
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: drVetker] 1
#28303648 - 05/02/23 02:54 PM (8 months, 24 days ago) |
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drVetker said: Hi everyone, i watched Stipe's video on bacterial contam and am wondering if this is it:
Same jar on all images. Seems very nice and consolidated, white and fluffy other than on these few grains.

thick and creamywould be a more accurate discription. i doubt you could shake them up because bacteria holds grains together like glue, and healthy myc shakes apart easily.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hazyhorse] 1
#28303658 - 05/02/23 03:03 PM (8 months, 24 days ago) |
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hazyhorse said: that’s 100% bacteria sorry dog
Pure sadness. Thank you.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: drVetker] 3
#28303662 - 05/02/23 03:06 PM (8 months, 24 days ago) |
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hazyhorse said: that’s 100% bacteria sorry dog
Pure sadness. Thank you.
Don't toss it. Top fruit it or shoebox it.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Way] 5
#28303720 - 05/02/23 04:01 PM (8 months, 24 days ago) |
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I’m about to send a ton of JW123 Ps. Natalensis plate pins to grain. I’ve always used oats without a problem, but decided it’s time to give rye a chance. In order to compare apples to apples, I prepared it following my own oat prep tek from my journal to the letter. The results honestly amazed me. When people talk about oats sucking and rye being better, I’ve never seen it put this way or I would have switched earlier. For anyone wondering about the difference between oats and rye, here you go!
If you follow my “SPG’s Grain Jar Preparation for Idiots” the same for both grains, here’s the difference between grains.
Moisture content after preparation: Oats: 52% Rye: 74%
Same ridiculously easy tek, same exact time and effort expended, but a much better moisture content!
Fuck oats.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy] 3
#28304182 - 05/02/23 09:35 PM (8 months, 24 days ago) |
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mushboy said: its not about ideal its about being on topic and sanitation. this is a mushroom cultivation and harm reduction site.
This.
Welcome, Tyson.
Shrooms grown on poo are grown on pasteurized poo, which has the most serious and possibly fatal germs killed. Shrooms grow on poo in nature because poo is there. They grow on grain as well or better. Cow and horses eat grain and grasses almost exclusively. Cow and horse poo is just grain with some of the nutrients stripped out.
Search "e. coli sickness" and you'll find a lot of it is from places where unpasteurized cow shit is used as fertilizer. (A lot of the rest is where they don't provide porta pottys for farm workers and they shit in the field.)
I read the Oregon shroom laws for legal growing for therapy (first state and possibly first place in world that's allowing that). They forbid growing on poo, only allow it on grain. I don't like any drug laws but as laws go, that makes sense. It's too easy to get very sick eating shrooms grown on poo. Would not be conducive to useful therapy. haha.
People on Shroomery who grow on poo (mostly because a few non-cube species need it) pasturize it first.
If cow fields where shrooms grow had cow poo sized wet piles of grain, shrooms would grow on them as well as, if not better than, on poo.
I respect the noob for the hustle, but a bunch of people on this site have experimented over the past 35 years and figured out a solid way to grow cubes and it isn't tossing poo in a box. The overwhelming response here isn't "let's make fun of the noob", it's "let's keep the noob from putting himself or his friends in the hospital."
If you stuck a syringe in a package of Uncle Ben's (sterilized) rice and grew a few shrooms, we'd giggle a little, because it's lazy and not best practices. But it's a lot safer than bringing a tub of poo in your house and tossing spores on it. If you ate the Uncle Ben's shrooms they wouldn't kill you.
Read the link in my sig line "New? Start here." It lists some of the best current teks by the smartest people here.
There was a Fabulous Freak Brothers comic where Fat Freddy brings home poo from shroom cow field, fills the bathtub with it, and the next day, bathroom is full of insects. Sounds about right. Pasteurizing also kills bugs.
I've never gotten sick eating shrooms, but shrooms have a reputation as making some people sick. I wonder how much of that is from eating shrooms they picked that were growing on shit?
If you do manage to grow shrooms on unpasteurized poo, PLEASE, if you're going to consume them, boil them in water for ten min, strain out the shrooms, and drink the tea. With a little honey for flavor.
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San Pedro Girl said: Moisture content after preparation: Oats: 52% Rye: 74%
A 22% difference seems like a crazy high amount. It kinda sucks that I've just run out of rye so I can't test it properly. However, my jars do end up around the same weight (there's slightly less rye in the pics below). Oats need a WAY longer boiling time though to reach the same amount of moisture. I use different teks for rye/oats for that very reason. Same time drying. Both times the cores are completely mushy, I actually always kind of overcook both. I tried boiling my oats for only 10-15 minutes like I do with rye and most cores were still fully white and powerdy in the middle yesterday. So I left them another 40 minutes on blast.
  
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San Pedro Girl said: When people talk about oats sucking and rye being better, I’ve never seen it put this way or I would have switched earlier.
Probably because oats just need a longer boil but can still get to the same moisture content. However, you're technically you're correct since you both boiled 15 minutes and so it's a true apples-to-apples comparison
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Way]
#28304389 - 05/03/23 04:27 AM (8 months, 23 days ago) |
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Way said:
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drVetker said:
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hazyhorse said: that’s 100% bacteria sorry dog
Pure sadness. Thank you.
Don't toss it. Top fruit it or shoebox it.
Thank you. I will. The plan was anyway to go to a shoebox, but now with this i think i'll try to just case it and leave it in the jar.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: drVetker]
#28304690 - 05/03/23 09:44 AM (8 months, 23 days ago) |
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Nah i would spawn them 1:1 with top layer, have seen worse grains fruiting well.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Throwaway] 1
#28306097 - 05/04/23 08:54 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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San Pedro Girl said: Moisture content after preparation: Oats: 52% Rye: 74%
A 22% difference seems like a crazy high amount. It kinda sucks that I've just run out of rye so I can't test it properly. However, my jars do end up around the same weight (there's slightly less rye in the pics below). Oats need a WAY longer boiling time though to reach the same amount of moisture. I use different teks for rye/oats for that very reason. Same time drying. Both times the cores are completely mushy, I actually always kind of overcook both. I tried boiling my oats for only 10-15 minutes like I do with rye and most cores were still fully white and powerdy in the middle yesterday. So I left them another 40 minutes on blast.
  
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San Pedro Girl said: When people talk about oats sucking and rye being better, I’ve never seen it put this way or I would have switched earlier.
Probably because oats just need a longer boil but can still get to the same moisture content. However, you're technically you're correct since you both boiled 15 minutes and so it's a true apples-to-apples comparison 
You most likely had problems with hydration because you just boiled them for 10-15min. I actually load them in my PC, put in room temp water, close the lid without the weight and start heating. I don’t start my 14min timer until the safety plug pops up. They truly get steamed and the pressure may even be 1-3 PSI. They also stay in the water longer since it takes a while for the room temp water to heat to a boil.
Edit to add I heat at 9000btu the entire time.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Throwaway]
#28306098 - 05/04/23 08:56 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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Throwaway said:
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San Pedro Girl said: Moisture content after preparation: Oats: 52% Rye: 74%
A 22% difference seems like a crazy high amount. It kinda sucks that I've just run out of rye so I can't test it properly. However, my jars do end up around the same weight (there's slightly less rye in the pics below). Oats need a WAY longer boiling time though to reach the same amount of moisture. I use different teks for rye/oats for that very reason. Same time drying. Both times the cores are completely mushy, I actually always kind of overcook both. I tried boiling my oats for only 10-15 minutes like I do with rye and most cores were still fully white and powerdy in the middle yesterday. So I left them another 40 minutes on blast.
  
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San Pedro Girl said: When people talk about oats sucking and rye being better, I’ve never seen it put this way or I would have switched earlier.
Probably because oats just need a longer boil but can still get to the same moisture content. However, you're technically you're correct since you both boiled 15 minutes and so it's a true apples-to-apples comparison 
You most likely had problems with hydration because you just boiled them for 10-15min. I actually load them in my PC, put in room temp water, close the lid without the weight and start heating. I don’t start my 14min timer until the safety plug pops up. They truly get steamed and the pressure may even be 1-3 PSI. They also stay in the water longer since it takes a while for the room temp water to heat to a boil.
Edit to add I heat at 9000btu the entire time.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: drVetker]
#28306336 - 05/04/23 11:55 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 0ptiquest]
#28306641 - 05/04/23 03:52 PM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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0ptiquest said: Nah i would spawn them 1:1 with top layer, have seen worse grains fruiting well.
Ok thanks, fair enough.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 3.A.M]
#28309073 - 05/06/23 12:21 PM (8 months, 20 days ago) |
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I like your spirit.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: jungatheart] 1
#28313751 - 05/10/23 06:27 AM (8 months, 16 days ago) |
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SHOEBOXES
Hi everyone, Doing a few shoeboxes for the first time. I read the write up from mushboy.
I'm wondering if there is something else more recent that I should be looking at, another write-up from someone else that has more details on the process, meaning what to look out for, do I spray it do I leave it alone, when do I crack the lid if at all, how should the surface moisture look like etc.
I don't have the classic shoebox but a Tupperware type box that has a sealed lid with latches.
Kind regards to all.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nektar61] 3
#28313951 - 05/10/23 08:48 AM (8 months, 16 days ago) |
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There was a Fabulous Freak Brothers comic where Fat Freddy brings home poo from shroom cow field, fills the bathtub with it, and the next day, bathroom is full of insects.
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#28313955 - 05/10/23 08:51 AM (8 months, 16 days ago) |
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Damn but I miss the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers. Thanks for this.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#28313957 - 05/10/23 08:52 AM (8 months, 16 days ago) |
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stipe mould (green patches on stipes) why does it happen and are my fruits safe to consume?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pickle Rick] 1
#28313985 - 05/10/23 09:21 AM (8 months, 16 days ago) |
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You sure it’s mold? Blue bruising and golden stems can look green
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pickle Rick] 2
#28313992 - 05/10/23 09:28 AM (8 months, 16 days ago) |
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Pickle Rick said: stipe mould (green patches on stipes) why does it happen and are my fruits safe to consume?
Post pics. Wtf? You new here or something? SMFH
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