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Desmo
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Re: Uncle Ben’s Tek….. [Re: B Traven]
#28226237 - 03/12/23 10:33 AM (10 months, 11 days ago) |
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Desmo said: These were the first and will be the only bags of instant rice I've bought in my life lol
I get into things differently than a lot of people, I think. If an early failure is going to kill motivation maybe a different route is better but for me failure would have done nothing but made me more excited for the next try. If these two tubs stopped right now and didn't grow a single fruit I'm still happy with the outcome.
Look, as far as all that goes you're in good company. Most of us like to fuck around and experiment. Plenty shake their heads at the dumb shit they were doing a few years ago. Since we can't really SEE exactly what's going on at the microbiological level, lots of trial and error- including total failure- is a somewhat inevitable part of the learning process.
I never did UB tek, but undoubtedly would have if it had been the first method I'd learned of. I would have felt weird about buying microwaveable rice, but probably would have talked myself into it anyway. I'm not trying to shame or judge anyone, I just think the waste angle shouldn't go unmentioned.
These posts will (hopefully) be around for a long time. There's no telling who may be reading this in the future. Nobody cares what you're actually doing in the privacy of your own home. But if a dozen people get lucky with UB and all say that it seems great and they don't get the hate, and then later experience catastrophic failure and abandon mushroom-growing altogether, a future researcher could easily see those early optimistic posts and decide to go all-in on UB. I don't really care what they do, either, at the end of the day. But I'll still try to make sure that the counter-point is there for them to read, so that they can make a more informed decision.
I agree completely with this sentiment. It's actually why in nearly every post I have here and elsewhere about UB I try to make it known that I used this method only as an early learning experience. I always try to mention that I used it only until I could get my PC operation up and going as well. But from my perspective it's your opinion on UB that is the leading narrative here on Shroomery. And that's not to say it's not without good reason mind you just that it's true.
When I say "I don't understand the hate." I don't include you or Veggie or any of the well thought out or logical and detailed reasons why UB is at best an inferior method. Those posts could not be considered "hate" at least in my opinion. I am talking about the countless posts like the ones above me relating it to someone enjoying being shit on (fuckin gross) that seem to be everywhere. At the end of the day trolls will be trolls I guess.
To conclude and try to make my perspective clear I like that UB is the easiest method to dip your toes in the water of mushroom growing. I like that it allows you to see some sort of progress in a very short time frame and that it's cheap to get into. I like that you need next to nothing in order to get started with it. I don't like that it adds to the massive waste that I avoid in all other aspects of modern life. (plastic bottles I try to avoid for example.) I don't like that it allows an already lazy person to remain lazy. I would defer to you more informed folks for other reasons to not like using it like contam and other issues because as said I have not seen those issues myself though i'm sure they exist.
Edit- Thanks for answering my question before I asked it lol. I was wondering about the snap on lids and was looking at them on amazon last night. Going that route for sure. No pour here I come!
Edited by Desmo (03/12/23 10:35 AM)
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Re: Uncle Ben’s Tek….. [Re: B Traven] 3
#28226243 - 03/12/23 10:36 AM (10 months, 11 days ago) |
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B Traven said: These posts will (hopefully) be around for a long time. There's no telling who may be reading this in the future.
I've only been in the game for a few years but I've learned so much by following the recommendations here.
I started with PF Tek and failed. I fanned and misted the dogshit out of the cakes (terrible practice, especially if you don't understand what to look for) and they never produced. Eventually the gnats invaded my grow closet and I had to abandon ship.

^^ This is why I have the searchengine tek so prominent in my signature. I was reading and following OLD ass posts and didn't bother to look at the post dates.
In fact, I used the original Pirate Fanaticus Tek. Have a gander at that page. It's a blast from the past. Not that I'm blaming the tek at all because the cakes came out fine. It was all the misting and fanning that killed them.

I then shot spores to grain and also bought a grow kit at the same time. 
The grow kit was bacterial as fuck and pushed out a few wimpy shrooms.

The "spores to grain bags" grow turned out fine but, like Chris Rock once said. And I'm paraphrasing here:
"You can drive with your feet... that doesn't mean it's a good fucking idea!" 
Anyway, spores to grain is a bad idea because its a MAJOR roll of the dice and it is unnecessary to take that chance. Do you really want to wait weeks for shrooms, only to have your tub/s trich out?? That would suck big time and is not necessary.
So, that leads me here. If you tried something completely unnecessary, like MANY of us have, that's no big deal. You didn't know any better. We all learn in different ways and life is grand.
 
What personally bums me out is when people who have gone down that road arrive at the Shroomery, which hosts some
SERIOUSLY bad-ass, science based, experience backed and volunteer spirited, member replicated TEKS
start in with the whole:
"Uncle Ben's is great for noobs."

I feel that, necessarily we ought to be vigilant, for posterity reasons, and make sure that threads that start this way or diverge into this kind of thinking get a heavy dose of reality and good information mixed in.
In other words, encouraging anyone to try something like Uncle Bens or buy grow kits....

....sucks for the future of mycology and makes the Cultivation Forum rife with posts that start something like:
"Does this look contaminated?"
"Uncle Ben's, what went wrong?"
"Grow bag stalled, what now?"
"First grow, won't fruit"
"How does this bag of rice look?"
etc. ad nauseum.... It gets tedious to behold.

So, my hope is that anyone doing a cursory search for how to grow mushrooms and finds some stupid ass Reddit post/Youtube video encouraging
"Uncle Bens "Tek""
or using rice/popcorn for bulk grains (j/k kinda)
(here's looking at you Willy Myco)
finds a post like this one that nudges them in the direction of MODERN Teks that predictably result in massive shroomage    .
Arrogance ain't cool and I am guilty of it at times but...some of these posts...

TRULY successful grows (not 3 bacterial Uncle Bens cakes struggling on some perlite) keep new people from having to buy
and/or giving up before reaching the mushroom promised land. 
Okay... so we should endeavor to be friendly, cordial, welcoming and supportive of new folks with wrong ideas about how to do this thing. That's what drew me to this forum. The selfless sharing of Teks, tricks... the support by members answering a million questions...the marketplace. It's all very special and unique, as far as the internet goes, in my most humble opinion.
So maybe don't arrive here new and push outdated, expensive, wasteful, risky and ultimately failed ideas about how to get started?
Most of the Trusted Cultivators here have forgotten more than most noobs know (including me) about how to do this well.
I sincerely hope that all who come here, however they got here, begin to appreciate and utilize the vast amount of free knowledge at their fingertips.

Get on the happy train, learn agar, make some grain jars and get your EZ Dial tub dialed in. 
   
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Desmo said:To conclude and try to make my perspective clear I like that UB is the easiest method to dip your toes in the water of mushroom growing.
Edited by myc_ousin_vinny (03/12/23 10:41 AM)
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lol bro. whether someone writes out a novel or posts a meme the fact remains its a trash tek. ive never seen a single bag that wasnt contaminated. if you think growing bacterial slop is a great way for noobs to get started, cool opinion, dont expect it to be a popular one on a forum dedicated to optimizing cultivation
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The fucks going on in this thread? Like a goddamn novel being made real time. My attention span is at best three sentences.
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Re: Uncle Ben’s Tek….. [Re: Screwup] 1
#28226268 - 03/12/23 10:53 AM (10 months, 11 days ago) |
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just another professor who managed to grow some pins here to teach us all how wrong we are
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Re: Uncle Ben’s Tek….. [Re: Screwup] 2
#28226284 - 03/12/23 11:03 AM (10 months, 11 days ago) |
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Screwup said: The fucks going on in this thread? Like a goddamn novel being made real time. My attention span is at best three sentences.
I drank too much strong coffee this morning. Haha.
Edited by myc_ousin_vinny (03/12/23 11:03 AM)
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Desmo
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The amount of effort put into that post is awesome. To keep it short I still respectfully disagree.

You do you bro. I've been having a blast with my way of learning things and learned a bunch from posts here. If you see anything wrong with the tubs that my eyes don't please do point it out. Not being sarcastic.
Edited by Desmo (03/12/23 11:42 AM)
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myc_ousin_vinny said:
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B Traven said: These posts will (hopefully) be around for a long time. There's no telling who may be reading this in the future.
I've only been in the game for a few years but I've learned so much by following the recommendations here.
I started with PF Tek and failed. I fanned and misted the dogshit out of the cakes (terrible practice, especially if you don't understand what to look for) and they never produced. Eventually the gnats invaded my grow closet and I had to abandon ship.

^^ This is why I have the searchengine tek so prominent in my signature. I was reading and following OLD ass posts and didn't bother to look at the post dates.
In fact, I used the original Pirate Fanaticus Tek. Have a gander at that page. It's a blast from the past. Not that I'm blaming the tek at all because the cakes came out fine. It was all the misting and fanning that killed them.

I then shot spores to grain and also bought a grow kit at the same time. 
The grow kit was bacterial as fuck and pushed out a few wimpy shrooms.

The "spores to grain bags" grow turned out fine but, like Chris Rock once said. And I'm paraphrasing here:
"You can drive with your feet... that doesn't mean it's a good fucking idea!" 
Anyway, spores to grain is a bad idea because its a MAJOR roll of the dice and it is unnecessary to take that chance. Do you really want to wait weeks for shrooms, only to have your tub/s trich out?? That would suck big time and is not necessary.
So, that leads me here. If you tried something completely unnecessary, like MANY of us have, that's no big deal. You didn't know any better. We all learn in different ways and life is grand.
 
What personally bums me out is when people who have gone down that road arrive at the Shroomery, which hosts some
SERIOUSLY bad-ass, science based, experience backed and volunteer spirited, member replicated TEKS
start in with the whole:
"Uncle Ben's is great for noobs."

I feel that, necessarily we ought to be vigilant, for posterity reasons, and make sure that threads that start this way or diverge into this kind of thinking get a heavy dose of reality and good information mixed in.
In other words, encouraging anyone to try something like Uncle Bens or buy grow kits....

....sucks for the future of mycology and makes the Cultivation Forum rife with posts that start something like:
"Does this look contaminated?"
"Uncle Ben's, what went wrong?"
"Grow bag stalled, what now?"
"First grow, won't fruit"
"How does this bag of rice look?"
etc. ad nauseum.... It gets tedious to behold.

So, my hope is that anyone doing a cursory search for how to grow mushrooms and finds some stupid ass Reddit post/Youtube video encouraging
"Uncle Bens "Tek""
or using rice/popcorn for bulk grains (j/k kinda)
(here's looking at you Willy Myco)
finds a post like this one that nudges them in the direction of MODERN Teks that predictably result in massive shroomage    .
Arrogance ain't cool and I am guilty of it at times but...some of these posts...

TRULY successful grows (not 3 bacterial Uncle Bens cakes struggling on some perlite) keep new people from having to buy
and/or giving up before reaching the mushroom promised land. 
Okay... so we should endeavor to be friendly, cordial, welcoming and supportive of new folks with wrong ideas about how to do this thing. That's what drew me to this forum. The selfless sharing of Teks, tricks... the support by members answering a million questions...the marketplace. It's all very special and unique, as far as the internet goes, in my most humble opinion.
So maybe don't arrive here new and push outdated, expensive, wasteful, risky and ultimately failed ideas about how to get started?
Most of the Trusted Cultivators here have forgotten more than most noobs know (including me) about how to do this well.
I sincerely hope that all who come here, however they got here, begin to appreciate and utilize the vast amount of free knowledge at their fingertips.

Get on the happy train, learn agar, make some grain jars and get your EZ Dial tub dialed in. 
   
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Desmo said:To conclude and try to make my perspective clear I like that UB is the easiest method to dip your toes in the water of mushroom growing.

Very well put as someone who is a noob and just trying to learn thank you all for the help and though it may go on some deaf ears/eyes it is not lost on some.
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Re: Uncle Ben’s Tek….. [Re: Desmo] 3
#28226353 - 03/12/23 12:00 PM (10 months, 11 days ago) |
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your tubs look ok, and if i was someone that got an ok tub my first time doing UB i might share your opinion
but as someone who has seen a million posts and answered a million questions about why their UB bags all turned green or coughed up one or two bacterial fruits, i see it as a very unreliable method
and when we are curating a list of teks to be preserved and distributed, reliable methods stay and unreliable methods go. we are not going to promote a tek with a dismal success rate, no matter how lucky one person gets
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but as someone who has seen a million posts and answered a million questions about why their UB bags all turned green or coughed up one or two bacterial fruits, i see it as a very unreliable method
I can respect that.
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myc_ousin_vinny said: I've only been in the game for a few years but I've learned so much by following the recommendations here...
That whole post was bang on. Well said Sir. Well said.
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