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Correct. It was Gutenberg who first translated the Bible to German.
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 Re: rejection of logic.  [Re: silversoul7]
#1983069 - 10/06/03 02:34 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Correct. It was Gutenberg who first translated the Bible to German.
Indubiantly. 
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Well, I guess my history teacher was wrong. Martin Luther did have a large part in spreading the word.
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Re: rejection of logic. [Re: Funguy]
#1983986 - 10/06/03 01:28 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well, I guess my history teacher was wrong. Martin Luther did have a large part in spreading the word.
Yeah, he saw a lot of the corruption in the Catholic church and exposed it, pretty much ending the Vatican's evilistic ruling over the Western world...
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Re: rejection of logic. [Re: ]
#1984012 - 10/06/03 01:47 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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> this is something about the eastern ways, especially taoism, that eludes me. why eschew logic? what's wrong with reason?
Because logic requires dualism. Something is either true or false, one or zero, a or b or c, left or right, etc. Dualism identies a 'thing' with respect to another 'thing'. In dualism there is no single 'center point' that exists by itself without being related to something else.
For western religeons, this works fine. We have God in heaven, and Satan in hell. Dualism is preserved and we sleep well at night.
But... what if there is another reality besides dualism? What if there is another reality where everything is the same, where nothing is different from anything else... where time, space, thought, energy, consciousness, love, hate, etc, are all the exact same thing. How could a person living in a dualistic reality describe such an alien (different) reality?
Now lets make it even more complex and lay the dualistic reality and the 'other reality' on top of each other... both coexist at the same time. As conscious beings, we can experience both realities, but our minds are wired to understand only duality. Sometimes when we take a drug, or through meditation, we are able to perceive the 'other reality'... how does one explain to others what this 'other reality' is like?
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Re: rejection of logic. [Re: Seuss]
#2017900 - 10/17/03 12:40 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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bumparoo!
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Re: rejection of logic. [Re: Seuss]
#2017920 - 10/17/03 12:50 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Because logic requires dualism. Something is either true or false, one or zero, a or b or c, left or right, etc. Dualism identies a 'thing' with respect to another 'thing'.
yes. if you make a statement about something other than the statement itself, it is either true or it is false.
"my shoes are red". this statement is either true or false.
now... if we have a statement that actually does exist "by itself without being related to something else", then it is a little different.
"this statement is false". the statement made cannot be true, and it cannot be false.
when we try to use a statement to describe the statement, taste our tongue, or understand the mind by using the mind... this is where we will fail. however, we can make statements to describe certain things, we can taste food with our tongue, and use our mind to understand algebra.
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Re: rejection of logic. [Re: ]
#2017930 - 10/17/03 12:55 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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mushmaster, you're giving me a headache.
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Re: rejection of logic. [Re: DoctorJ]
#2017952 - 10/17/03 01:04 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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in a good way or a bad way?
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Re: rejection of logic. [Re: ]
#2017959 - 10/17/03 01:06 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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in a needlessly complicated way 
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Re: rejection of logic. [Re: silversoul7]
#2018014 - 10/17/03 01:26 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Many people spend their lives searching, contemplating, and attempting to figure out what they understood before they were born.
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This reality is far too complex to be understood through logic alone.
"Too complex", is insufficient. An infinite amount of logic is required to understand this reality.
Imagine a circle, and sit yourself upon it's top. This is the point of original understanding, the 'void' referred to by many eastern religions. After you are born, you begin to experience this reality and learn about it -- gain some understanding of it. As your mind matures, you begin to traverse this circle (clockwise as I imagine it), and the further you get to your destination -- total understanding -- the path becomes more and more arduous. People spend their entire lives attempting to attain the understanding that they had before their egos were born, but in the wrong direction. Simply forget all your experiences -- all logic, all partial-truths you have learned -- and you will not reach but return to your goal, that original point you had disembarked from.
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Re: rejection of logic. [Re: Seuss]
#2019067 - 10/17/03 08:45 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Seuss said:
What if there is another reality where everything is the same, where nothing is different from anything else... where time, space, thought, energy, consciousness, love, hate, etc, are all the exact same thing.
its not really another reality is it? isnt it just a different way of interpreting the reality that is generally interpreted with logic? on another note, those are all the same thing in this reality too, words . anyone have any reading suggestions for someone interested in this stuff?
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