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Re: What holy scripture is most accurate? though not in hebrew? [Re: DOBOS]
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none,
mostly it's a bunch of soap operas wrapped in reverence and a context that pertains to feudal societies.
all the theology is justification, and the cosmology is misleading.

be sure to party hard on such and such dates every year in such and such a way.

we might as well have received all the good advice in 10 commandments struck in slabs of stone by a lighting wielding superior alien.


be honest and kind about sums it up.
party when it works out, live long and prosper. :peace:


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:brainfart: _ :finger:

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Re: What holy scripture is most accurate? though not in hebrew? [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
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I enjoy your irreverence

Agreed that for spiritual purposes the answer is: its pretty useless, especially compared to oriental sources such as source material on yoga,,etc.

One reason, to read some of the bible, for those who know none of the actual details, is to discover both how violent & vengeful it is, and also to see for them selves how contradictory a lot of it is. There are numerous books that deal with these aspects of the material, that may save one from the daunting task, of reading a book that is much of the time boring, unpleasant, dogmatic, and constantly tells stories of fearful people.
There are also numerous books, that explain in great and scientific detail that "the book" is actually the work of many different authors at many differnt times and places.

For historical purposes there is no one source as MarcoTG points out. Also there is no way around "the dead sea scrolls". They are available in translations. You would also have to study Egyptian and Sumerian mythology, as some of the material comes from these sources. Again translations and commentary are available.

Of course the history of the scrolls suppression, is itself a commentary, on organized religion.

Edited by laughingdog (12/07/19 12:20 PM)

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Re: What holy scripture is most accurate? though not in hebrew? [Re: DOBOS]
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DOBOS said:
I am not skilled in the language of ancient hebrew so it would be hard for me to read into the torah or old testament in hebrew.  Im asking what bible i guess is least modified, translated and fauled with reiterations?  i would like to know what bibles are out there if someone has the time.  thank youz


THere's no such thing as 'holy scripture'. There's just tons of religions/religious books. Newer ones are written based on plagiarism of older ones. Religions are geographic and regional thus why they are written based on local languages. If God were 'around', he would speak a universal language all would understand, show every cultural group on earth a thing simultaneously and write a universal book ... that is in fact what the physical world/physics and science are. If you want accuracy, study science and use logic/rational. If you want to take a trip down theology/theory lain respectfully cover a range of religions. Religions from the middle east while popular are overrated. Cover eastern religions. They focus more on theology than bedtime stories and extreme foolishness. There is no accurate 'scripture' however because its all one big LIE and LARP.

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Re: What holy scripture is most accurate? though not in hebrew? [Re: Seuss]
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Seuss said:
Summarized :
The torah has mystical numerological secrets
The light skinned desert people are special and have special knowledge
Their text is magic



It's not and no one with a brain buys this foolishness.
Their language isn't original.
They have no extended blood-line because they're a mix race of discarded tribes from the hillsides of neighboring empires.
Their religious text/theology is borrowed from neighboring empires.
Their temples and symbolism were built by and or borrowed from prior and neighboring empires.

They're just one of many religious groups with religious text and cultural stories.
The end.

An incredible amount of power exists in convincing dumb people to believe a specific narrative and story of the world/history. Big brains know this and don't fall for this. Many others perpetuate such lies often because it suits them and their goals/agendas. Others who live in fear adapt it because they fear consequences and then theres small brains who believe it because its popular and feels good.

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Re: What holy scripture is most accurate? though not in hebrew? [Re: laughingdog]
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laughingdog said:
I enjoy your irreverence

Agreed that for spiritual purposes the answer is: its pretty useless, especially compared to oriental sources such as source material on yoga,,etc.

One reason, to read some of the bible, for those who know none of the actual details, is to discover both how violent & vengeful it is, and also to see for them selves how contradictory a lot of it is. There are numerous books that deal with these aspects of the material, that may save one from the daunting task, of reading a book that is much of the time boring, unpleasant, dogmatic, and constantly tells stories of fearful people.
There are also numerous books, that explain in great and scientific detail that "the book" is actually the work of many different authors at many differnt times and places.

For historical purposes there is no one source as MarcoTG points out. Also there is no way around "the dead sea scrolls". They are available in translations. You would also have to study Egyptian and Sumerian mythology, as some of the material comes from these sources. Again translations and commentary are available.

Of course the history of the scrolls suppression, is itself a commentary, on organized religion.


:raisemyglass:
Yeah, at this point with so much accurate information on the history. No one with a functional brain is buying middle eastern religions as being accurate or some grand truth. It's just 'religion' as it were. Read it for the good things and ignore it for all of the metaphysical pronouncements and narratives it puts forth. Religion is nothing but a geographical/cultural tired theory of the world written by philosophers/theologians.. Mangle em all together and form your own evolved theory.

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Re: What holy scripture is most accurate? though not in hebrew? [Re: redgreenvines]
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I believe the testimony of Matthew Mark and John is true and holy. I came to this conclusion with the scientific method.

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Re: What holy scripture is most accurate? though not in hebrew? [Re: Hartford]
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Hartford said:
I believe the testimony of Matthew Mark and John is true and holy. I came to this conclusion with the scientific method.


:wow: ...
^ Let this be a constant reminder of the types that write these texts and who they are intended for and why the belief in them lasts for so long

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Re: What holy scripture is most accurate? though not in hebrew? [Re: r00tcmplx]
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You didn't do the experiment, so you should probably either prove me wrong or ask how I came to my conclusion that the testimony of Matthew Mark and John is true.

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Re: What holy scripture is most accurate? though not in hebrew? [Re: Hartford]
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To get a visceral feel for what life was like in Biblical times I recommend "The Life of Brian" wholeheartedly.

Its a very spiritual movie as it cures the sin of seriousness.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=the+life+of+brian

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Re: What holy scripture is most accurate? though not in hebrew? [Re: r00tcmplx]
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r00tcmplx said:
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Yeah, at this point with so much accurate information on the history. No one with a functional brain is buying middle eastern religions as being accurate or some grand truth.


True, they buy it because, of tradition, to belong to a group, to socialize, and for the warm feelings they get being with others who seem similar and with whom they feel safe.

Humans compartmentalize aspects of their lives. Those who weren't brought up to fairly rigorously apply critical thinking to their own lives, compromise as the emotional forces mentioned above carry more weight in their 'psyches' than reason. Such people can be very intelligent in other areas of their lives.

Other words for compartmentalize, in this context maybe mild disassociation, or rationalization. Whole essays & books have been written on the topic, especially as regards organized religion.
Certainly whole essays & books have been written on the topic of belief.

(Many folks also pretend to buy into religion (especially politicians), and many just keep their mouths shut most of the time.  Charles Darwin's wife was religious and some say he delayed publishing for years on account of anxiety. Apparently some debate this now.  * In any case a story of how an intelligent man gradually gave up much belief from considering evidence.)

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=james+alcock+the+belief+engine&ia=web

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=Belief%2C+Shermer&i=stripbooks&ref=nb_sb_noss

https://www.amazon.com/Belief-Means-Believe-Convictions-Compelling-ebook/dp/B073P9YYHN/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=James+Alcock&qid=1575826631&s=books&sr=1-1

* https://www.science20.com/genomicron/blog/did_darwin_delay_publishing_origin_species

and

http://darwin-online.org.uk/people/2012,%20John%20van%20Wyhe%20&%20Pallen,%20Annie%20Hypothesis.pdf

Edited by laughingdog (12/08/19 10:54 AM)

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Re: What holy scripture is most accurate? though not in hebrew? [Re: redgreenvines]
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The life of Brian was entertaining, but it was a half-baked attempt to show what it would be like to live the gospel. He didn't do much preaching

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Re: What holy scripture is most accurate? though not in hebrew? [Re: laughingdog]
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laughingdog said:
r00tcmplx said:
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Yeah, at this point with so much accurate information on the history. No one with a functional brain is buying middle eastern religions as being accurate or some grand truth.


True, they buy it because, of tradition, to belong to a group, to socialize, and for the warm feelings they get being with others who seem similar and with whom they feel safe.

....


Perhaps a short version is is that humans humans simply often tend to conform. Probably 95% of human's who have some religious feelings, & participate in some rituals, are simply continuing the patterns they were brought up with. Conformity seems to explain much more than just religion, I think we all tend to overestimate our rationality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conformity

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=what+percent+of+behavior+is+conformist&ia=web

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=how+much+of+behavior+is+conformist&ia=web

https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-conformity-2795889

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