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InvisibleSwami
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Christian Accountability
    #2280685 - 01/28/04 02:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

http://www.christiancourier.com/archives/noSkepticCanExplain.htm

"If there is no post-earthly existence, it matters not what one does in this life. If, however, one believes that he will be held accountable for his earthly conduct in eternity, he will be more inclined to act in a morally responsible way in this life."

This false assumption by the web-site sponsors (self-proclaimed Christian moralists) is not backed up by any factual social data.


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InvisibleinfidelGOD
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Re: Christian Accountability [Re: Swami]
    #2280760 - 01/28/04 02:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

"If there is no post-earthly existence, it matters not what one does in this life"

WTF? that's a non sequitur if ever there was one

wouldn't it matter more?

if there was no heaven, wouldn't you want to create heaven right here?
and hell on earth is usually brought by religious types (the crusades, 9/11, the inquisition, etc.)

they see this world as something "less real" than the afterlife, where a greater reality (and 50 virgins) await them...

well...
THIS IS IT PEOPLE!
damn I wish I could remember that John Lennon quote...
life isn't a dress rehearsal, or something like that.


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Re: Christian Accountability [Re: infidelGOD]
    #2280764 - 01/28/04 02:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
Imagine all the people
Living for today...


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Re: Christian Accountability [Re: silversoul7]
    #2280777 - 01/28/04 02:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Are YOU such a dreamer to put the world to rice?


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Re: Christian Accountability [Re: Swami]
    #2280814 - 01/28/04 02:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Uh, yeah. That was charming christian anti-logic. They were hoping that if they said it authoritatively enough nobody would think about it?
Ooo, they're using the Law of the Excluded Middle! The dead and disproved theories of Aristotle are back! Dialectics firmly proves Aristotle's three central 'laws' of classical logic to be more or less bunk. Oop, now they're quote Revelations, this just gets better and better. I do like how neatly they sidestepped the whole question of the authenticity of the gospels, though. 'Cause either the authors were right or they were narsty little lying masocists who made up the scriptures because they wanted to feel persecuted and special, right. No chance they were just... y'know... wrong. Or... y'know... misinterpreted slightly over the millenia.


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Re: Christian Accountability [Re: silversoul7]
    #2280874 - 01/28/04 03:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I love that song, but the quote I was thinking of was:

"Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans."
- John Lennon


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Re: Christian Accountability [Re: Swami]
    #2280956 - 01/28/04 03:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Still, this one is better than the first version :wink: http://www.christiancourier.com/penpoints/credible_gospel.htm

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Re: Christian Accountability [Re: Swami]
    #2280991 - 01/28/04 03:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I really freaked out some christians with this one once in geology class a few years ago !  We were talking about pollution and how stopping it would require a mass change in attitudes.  My point was this:

Buddhists believe in reincarnation, therefore, they have a vested interest in maintaining the planet.  Because they believe they will be back. 

Christians, on the other hand, believe that you only get one life on earth, then you go somewhere else.  They have no interest in maintaining the planet, which is why Life, from a christian western perspective, is often veiwed as a race to see who can consume the most resources before they die. 

I made some christian girl cry with that one :thumbup:


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Re: Christian Accountability [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2281000 - 01/28/04 03:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

ROTFLMAO!!!


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Re: Christian Accountability [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2281001 - 01/28/04 03:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Why did she cry? Why did they freak out?

It's true. You made an excellent point. I don't know if they're "racing" to consume the most resources, but they certainly don't believe they'll reincarnate. I can see why one who thought they'd "be back" would take care of the earth's resources while on this visit.


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Re: Christian Accountability [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2281054 - 01/28/04 04:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Interesting, this reminds me of something else that is on topic.


This point of view came to my attention recently and I think that it holds water. It was taken from a discussion about why atheists are more moral. One man's contention was that for atheists, this life is all they have, and they are remembered by their actions. If they are kind, loving, and generous, they will be remember as such.

However, for christians, there is a shot at redemption after this life. It doesn't matter what fellow men think of you, so long as god allows you into heaven. Therefore, you can be an asshole since you believe people cannot judge you, and as long as you repent, you are in the clear.

As it pertains to this discussion, I would say the brevity of life makes it all too precious. We are here for the blink of an eye, and the challenge is to make it count. For christians, this life is nullified because it is deemed a test. This life is merely a preparation for the next. So I ask, which group of people is faced with a more meaningful life?


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Re: Christian Accountability [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2281537 - 01/28/04 07:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

that's an interesting viewpoint.
I hope atheists don't use that argument to claim moral superiority, or to claim that their lives are more meaningful, but it certainly demolishes the argument presented in that christian courier article


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Re: Christian Accountability [Re: Swami]
    #2281874 - 01/28/04 09:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The bigest part of the christians are soooo narrow-minded in comparison with these forum's people that is like you compare a motorway to a hair.


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Re: Christian Accountability [Re: Swami]
    #2283273 - 01/29/04 10:47 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Christian Accountability [Re: Swami]
    #2283454 - 01/29/04 12:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think that article was poorly thought out. It does raise certain interesting ideas however.

What is the root of one's morals, from where were they originally drawn? In the absence of an omniscient creator (i.e. the ideal God), can morals be truely subjective to each individual? Can two people who have opposing views of an ideal both be correct within the same set of circumstances?


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Re: Christian Accountability [Re: ]
    #2284643 - 01/29/04 06:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I don't believe that morals come from fear of retribution; at least not for me. Why do I usually want to do the "right thing" though I don't believe in an after-life or karma? Am not certain, but it "feels" like the right way for me to live.


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Re: Christian Accountability [Re: Swami]
    #2284689 - 01/29/04 06:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Christian Accountability [Re: ]
    #2284705 - 01/29/04 06:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So that we might discuss the source of morals. Someone else had pointed to that website in another thread and that quote caught my eye as I don't believe that one needs a "watcher", whether it be God or society, to be moral.


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Re: Christian Accountability [Re: Swami]
    #2284807 - 01/29/04 07:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Christian Accountability [Re: ]
    #2284844 - 01/29/04 07:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Christians dont need facts... they have faith... If christianity gets them through the day so be it. If atheism gets you through your day so be it... Ive met more militant atheists than i have militant christians. To me it sounds like a gigantic pot called the kettle black.

Self-Righteousness is the problem.... Its the problem with any religion... The philosophy of My excrement dost not stinketh as much as yours...


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