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Re: Fundamentalist Christians and Gays [Re: Noteworthy]
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It gets really fun when God creates hermaphrodites. That way they are sinning no matter which way they swing.


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Re: Fundamentalist Christians and Gays [Re: Noteworthy]
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But then so is eating shellfish or getting a tattoo. It's silly to equate things just because some book says that God doesn't like them. The world would be a much better place if we examined everything on its own merits.


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Re: Fundamentalist Christians and Gays [Re: zouden]
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But then people will have to admit that it's foolish to get butt-hurt about stuff and then there will be no "excuse" for their stupidity.:tongue:


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Re: Fundamentalist Christians and Gays [Re: zouden]
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But then so is eating shellfish or getting a tattoo.


What if you get a tattoo of a shelfish?


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Re: Fundamentalist Christians and Gays [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Dude you are so going to hell for even thinking that


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You know... I'm not a blind man
                                                    but truth is the hardest thing to see

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Re: Fundamentalist Christians and Gays [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Noteworthy said:
Since this is futile, given that you cant even understand my posts, I'll state it a final time that the bible states that God hates it when men have homosexual relations.




I thought I made it clear I did understand your post and then asked what they had to do with anything?  You quoted all sorts of leviticus crap and I said that isn't followed by christians, and then you keep repeating its in the bible (which I still can't see the relevance of) and seemingly trying to goad me into a defense of christianity or a discussion on what the bible should mean or something- when these are irrelevant.

Christians don't follow leviticus, I don't care if you think that's ill advised, its not the discussion.
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I don't believe you will find that Jesus said that the men should not follow the law. Rather, he suggested that the man with no sin cast the first stone.



Huh?  The law was to cast stones untill the person was dead.  Jesus said don't do it.  Therefore, he told them not to follow that law.

Whether you think the christian interpretation to have merit or not isn't really relevant to my point: which was only that your laundry list of leviticus laws doesn't really inform christian belief since they don't follow them anyways.

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Re: Fundamentalist Christians and Gays [Re: zouden]
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zouden said:
But then so is eating shellfish or getting a tattoo. It's silly to equate things just because some book says that God doesn't like them. The world would be a much better place if we examined everything on its own merits.


Jesus did not eat shelfish nor did any of the prophets, nor did any of them have tattoos, id imagine.

So why think that he would say they are OK by god?


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Re: Fundamentalist Christians and Gays [Re: Noteworthy]
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I'm trying to make the same point that Johnm214 is making, but from a different angle: that Christians don't follow Leviticus. Johnm214 has shown that Jesus himself said, several times, that you don't need to follow all the rules in the Old Testament. The Sermon on the Mount is one of the most famous examples of this.

And I'm just pointing out that no one, apart from the most insane speaking-in-tongues fanatic, follows all the rules in Leviticus. And if you're going to pick and choose which rules to follow (as Jesus said we could), then you lose your moral authority to claim that homosexuality is a sin. You would have to follow every single stupid rule in the Old Testament to be able to cast that stone.


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                                                part of the world belongs to me
You know... I'm not a blind man
                                                    but truth is the hardest thing to see

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Re: Fundamentalist Christians and Gays [Re: Noteworthy]
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OT and NT speak against homosexuality.

OT:
Genesis 19:4-5 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

Genesis 19:24-25 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.

Genesis 19:28 And he looked toward Sodom and Gomorrah, and toward all the land of the plain, and beheld, and, lo, the smoke of the country went up as the smoke of a furnace.

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.


NT:
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Timothy 1:9-10 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

Romans 1:24-27 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

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Re: Fundamentalist Christians and Gays [Re: fivepointer]
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Yeah, but who the fuck cares about that crap?


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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
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And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
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Re: Fundamentalist Christians and Gays [Re: fivepointer]
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NT:
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves... shall inherit the kingdom of God.


If you wear pink, listen to Broadway tunes or whack off - ye shall burn! :hellfire:


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Re: Fundamentalist Christians and Gays [Re: johnm214]
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johnm214 said:
Noteworthy said:
Since this is futile, given that you cant even understand my posts, I'll state it a final time that the bible states that God hates it when men have homosexual relations.




I thought I made it clear I did understand your post and then asked what they had to do with anything?  You quoted all sorts of leviticus crap and I said that isn't followed by christians, and then you keep repeating its in the bible (which I still can't see the relevance of) and seemingly trying to goad me into a defense of christianity or a discussion on what the bible should mean or something- when these are irrelevant.

Christians don't follow leviticus, I don't care if you think that's ill advised, its not the discussion.
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I don't believe you will find that Jesus said that the men should not follow the law. Rather, he suggested that the man with no sin cast the first stone.



Huh?  The law was to cast stones untill the person was dead.  Jesus said don't do it.  Therefore, he told them not to follow that law.

Whether you think the christian interpretation to have merit or not isn't really relevant to my point: which was only that your laundry list of leviticus laws doesn't really inform christian belief since they don't follow them anyways.


Jesus never nullified the OT law, he fulfilled it.  He was born under it, followed it exactly as it was written.  The whole gospel, the law and grace, are fulfilled in Christ, who is the sum and substance of what the OT was pointing to.

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Re: Fundamentalist Christians and Gays [Re: fivepointer]
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Yet many things he said directly contradict the OT.

This is not unusual in the bible. It's full of contradictions.


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                                                part of the world belongs to me
You know... I'm not a blind man
                                                    but truth is the hardest thing to see

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