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Say something positive about Christians
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A lot of people here bash Christianity, and I confess I've been guilty of it myself. But I feel it also has its positive aspects,and I thought I'd cancel out some of the negativity by having people say what they like about Christianity or Christians.

For starters, Christians have done some fine charity work. I have a cousin who works for a Catholic charity organization that finds low-income housing for the homeless. Christian charities have donated countless funds to feed the poor throughout the world.

Also, Jesus was an awesome person. He taught about love, forgiveness, tolerance, and transcendance. I don't think his teachings were all that different from those of Siddhartha Guatama, except that Siddhartha lived in a culture in which those ideas were better understood. I once had a strong trip in which I felt like I was Jesus on the cross, tormented spiritually, then I accepted Jesus's love into my heart and the pain ended. I don't know if that makes me a Christian(I still don't believe in the inerrancy of the Bible, and I still believe in a pantheistic God, not an anthropomorphic one), but it was an intense experience which made me feel closer to God.

Also, Christians can be very nice people when you get to know them. Some of my closest friends are Catholic, and my grandfather is a Christian theologian(and probably the smartest man I've ever met). I admit there are many close-minded, hateful, ignorant Christians, but I believe they are for the most part a vocal minority. Even some of the ones whose views I greatly disagree with are some of my best friends.

What would you say is good about Christianity?


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Re: Say something positive about Christians [Re: silversoul7]
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well.. like any religion there's the good and bad. I think the basic message of christianity is a good one.. love your neighbor, live a virtuous life, etc, etc. But unfortunately that's often overshadowed by all the dogma and judgements.

Most christians are loving people, who will take care of those they love and their fellow humans. That's commendable in my book. It's the christian's with hidden agendas and dogma trains and aces up their sleeves that I don't agree with. But I think in it's essence, before it was perverted, Christianity is a fine religion, or should I say, a fine set of principles to live by.. but it has just been taken too far, IMHO.


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Re: Say something positive about Christians [Re: silversoul7]
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Jesus


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Re: Say something positive about Christians [Re: silversoul7]
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I have been a Christian basher, too, even though I am a Christian. Maybe like you say, it's the vocal Christians with an agenda that make it bad for the rest of the Christians, and maybe there really aren't too many of those. Maybe there are more good Christians, but they're quiet?

I'm starting to think that regardless of what most people proclaim to be, people are just kind of bad, in general. I think there are more bad people in the world than good people.

Sorry. I have recently had some bad encounters with "Christians". There really isn't anything good about most Christians, IMO.

Okay, sorry. I'm trying to think of the few Christians that I know that aren't like most Christians, and what I like about them is that they are just trying to live life the way they believe Jesus taught us to live, and they don't judge other people, and they do good things without going around and bragging about it.

I just had lunch with the deacon of a baptist church. He had accompanied a friend of his to court for a hearing, and I didn't even know he was a deacon, much less a Christian, until half way through the day. He didn't walk around saying things like, "God bless you" and crap like that, which, in my mind, is an indication of someone who isn't really a true Christian. People who make a big noise about being a Christian are usually up to no good, secretly.

He just talked as if he was a normal person, but later, at dinner, I asked him about his beliefs, and he believes just as I do, but he also believes in not going around hitting people over the head with his beliefs. He even teaches a bible study once a week. He works with poor people.


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Re: Say something positive about Christians [Re: silversoul7]
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they burn well
:lol:

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Re: Say something positive about Christians [Re: DoctorJ]
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ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!


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Re: Say something positive about Christians [Re: Frog]
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> people are just kind of bad, in general.

People are people, both good and bad. Each of us has it in our hearts to be either; the choice is ours to do with as we please. If only people would realize that we have been given this choice, and it is not their duty to make the decision for us.

> they are just trying to live life the way they believe Jesus taught us to live

If somebody claims to be a Christian, but does not follow the above, are they still a Christian? I would think that ones actions, not ones proclamations, define what one is or is not.


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Re: Say something positive about Christians [Re: Seuss]
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Seuss said:
> people are just kind of bad, in general.

People are people, both good and bad. Each of us has it in our hearts to be either; the choice is ours to do with as we please. If only people would realize that we have been given this choice, and it is not their duty to make the decision for us.


Right. I agree that Christians shouldn't go around pointing the finger at people. I personally don't do that, and I represent a lot of criminals. I could have a lot of fun pointing the finger, but then I think, "that could be me".

But when I brought up the point that people are bad, in general, I meant that when people proclaim to be something, such as a Christian or a lawyer, that doesn't make them "good". They SHOULD be good, but they are probably bad. I have almost gotten to the point that when I meet someone that proclaims to be one or the other, or both, I will not associate with that person.

I have met a lot of lawyers. A LOT. When I first became a lawyer, I thought I was entering an honored profession whose members were honest and ethical, etc. For the most part, and I am talking about 85-90 per cent, lawyers are unethical and dishonest.

Same with Christians. For the most part, when someone says he/she is a Christian, I figure that they are probably not really behaving as Christians in their lives, and I figure that the Christian is probably just like a lawyer. Lying, cheating, manipulating, and has a hidden agenda.

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> they are just trying to live life the way they believe Jesus taught us to live

If somebody claims to be a Christian, but does not follow the above, are they still a Christian? I would think that ones actions, not ones proclamations, define what one is or is not.


I agree. But those are the people who make a bad name for Christians. They are the reason people don't like Christians. They are the reason that ss7 started this thread. People come here and bash Christians because of the Christians out there who are hypocrites.


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Re: Say something positive about Christians [Re: silversoul7]
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hungry lions seemed to enjoy eating them

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Re: Say something positive about Christians [Re: Frog]
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Frog said:
I have met a lot of lawyers.  A LOT.  When I first became a lawyer, I thought I was entering an honored profession whose members were honest and ethical, etc. 



:lol:


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Re: Say something positive about Christians [Re: Shroomism]
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I know, Shroomism, I know. I laugh, too, now. I didn't laugh in the beginning, and about 6 months into being an attorney, I was so emotionally devastated to find out that lawyers are basically crooks and liars and cheats, after a series of events where I experienced first-hand their cheap tricks, I thought I would have to get out of the profession. I didn't know how I could stay in it without getting soiled, or vomiting daily. But I had a talk with someone, and I decided to stay in the profession and be the "one good lawyer". Well, there are a few that are good. Very few, however.

But that's why I brought lawyers up in this conversation. When someone says they are a lawyer, you would think they are honest, ethical, etc. Same with Christians. I have learned that just because someone says they are one of those things doesn't mean that they are automatically a good person. Most likely, they are bad, because I think most people choose do bad things. Becoming a Christian or a lawyer doesn't make you good. You still have to watch their actions to determine if they are good or not.


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The day will come when, after harnessing the ether, the winds, the tides, gravitation, we shall harness for God the energies of love. And, on that day, for the second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire.  -Teilard

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Re: Say something positive about Christians [Re: silversoul7]
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Jesus was married and had sex!!! and had a baby!!!! I think thats posititive hahaha

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Re: Say something positive about Christians [Re: silversoul7]
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What I like about Christianity:

*Jesus, as already mentioned. Just thinking about him can make me want to cry because he was such a brave, strong, enlightened, wonderful man. I consider him a role model for myself.

*Good hearts. I adore Christians (or anyone for that matter!)that have tender hearts and care deeply for their fellow man, and not only that, but show it in their every action. Many Christians do so much good for the world and it inspires me to do the same.

That's about it, but those two points are what I try to keep in mind. I admit that I sometimes feel leery whenever someone says that they are a Christian, but I try not to let my ego get in the way of my relationship with them.

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Re: Say something positive about Christians [Re: silversoul7]
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Christians as a cultural presence are good people, many on the concept of the word but fewer on its essence ...

MAIA


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Re: Say something positive about Christians [Re: silversoul7]
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What would you say is good about Christianity? 



the teachings of jesus.  the rest of it is garbage.

christians(including the preachers) are so lost they dont even realize what is important(atleast the ones i know dont even know how to show it)....  LOVE.  jesus taught love, breathed love, did everything out of love.  i teach love, many others here speak of love.  we do the same thing as he did.  we ATTEMPT to bring you to the absolute truth, even the shrooms TRY, but its all on you to open your eyes.

i despise how christians live in fear of god.  its pathetic.  and also i despise that people try to tell me that i am going to hell because i do not accept jesus as saviour.  duh, jesus is simply a brother of light, EQUAL TO YOU AND I....even hitler.  its just jesus did exactly what we as beings of light will have wanted to do with our lives, and hitler did exactly what we do not want to do.  So jesus is a good role model.

all jesus attempted to do was awaken us. bbbbuttt.....when he pointed, people just stared at his finger :smirk:  and they still do  :rolleyes:

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Re: Say something positive about Christians [Re: silversoul7]
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The best I can do would be to say:

They had the right idea, but they got off track somewhere.

Also: Christians instill good moral values in their children... it is then up to the children to see past the limitations of Christianity where their parents could not. (My dad was a practicing christian while I was growing up, and it happened to me...)

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Re: Say something positive about Christians [Re: Shroomism]
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Shroomism said:
Frog said:
I have met a lot of lawyers.  A LOT.  When I first became a lawyer, I thought I was entering an honored profession whose members were honest and ethical, etc. 



:lol:


Its funny; my father thought the exact same thing when he went to law school. 

but then, 15 years later, he would come home from work every night, tired, depressed, angry.  "Dont ever be a lawyer, son," he would tell me, "You just become a tool of a bunch of rich assholes trying fuck a bunch of other rich assholes over."

but, on the bright side, now my father lives on a beach, works when he feels like it, makes tons of money on real estate, and the only real obligation he has is keeping his more dubious clients out of jail.  I hope he lives another 60 years in that paradise.  He deserves it.

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Re: Say something positive about Christians [Re: silversoul7]
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A lot of Christians are nice people, but I wouldn't say that the Christianity made them nice.

I don't have anything more against christians than anyone else who believes in superstitions.


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Re: Say something positive about Christians [Re: JacquesCousteau]
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Also: Christians instill good moral values in their children...



heh, id say it depended on how hardcore the christians were. i know a kid who dresses satanic because his parents wouldnt let him do a fucking thing when he was a kid, he had no life because everything was "wrong". So this is his way of recieving the attention he missed as a kid.(just reachin out for love)

and i also know those who got the devil BEAT out of them????? wtf. that is SICK. christianity will make you fucking sick in the head if you take everything in that book LITERALLY.

i mean....just do a search, there are people in mental wards over taking christianity the wrong way. living in fear will do this.

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Re: Say something positive about Christians [Re: silversoul7]
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In my team are a "free Christian" (broke loose of his denomination and looks to find his own way) and a fundamentalist Mormon.

Our psychedelic sessions go very deep, to the bone in fact, and you can really talk about the essential things.

What they got out of the bible was the notion it is all about LOVE. The Free Christian is a VOL helping severely retarded people in an institution and the Mormon is prone to random acts of genuine Goodness to complete strangers.

The fundamentalism means we (Mormon x Pagan) disagree on several spiritual matters that cannot be resolved. We do however respect each other and don't try to convert.
I go: "Reincarnation!" he goes: "Are you going to be surprised in Heaven!" and I go: "I'd love to, we can plan which planet we'll walk the next time around!" we fundamentally disagree but the notion that
the Good is the prime force blots out bitching sprees that have happened in the past.

Two Christians in my team. Both are clearly touched by the desire to do good, use the bible to guide them in that and say they find their inspiration in Jesus.

Now thats a --very-- good thing, innit?


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Re: Say something positive about Christians [Re: silversoul7]
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i like their stained glass art.


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GODDESSES
Women look at themselves and they seem utterly human, when looking at men they see proud
GODS.

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Re: Say something positive about Christians [Re: Todcasil]
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oooh...good one  :thumbup:



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Re: Say something positive about Christians [Re: Todcasil]
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P.S.



awesome avatar mang  :cool:

I almost wrote up a thread about it the other day, but I figured most everyone here had probably already read the article I was getting ready to comment on anyway, so I didn't even bother going through with it  :shrugs:



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Re: Say something positive about Christians [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
Two Christians in my team. Both are clearly touched by the desire to do good, use the bible to guide them in that and say they find their inspiration in Jesus.

Now thats a --very-- good thing, innit?


I think it's a very rare thing.

I live in the Southern part of Georgia and here there is not so much fraternizing. Alot of the people that I know give sideways glances at people of other faiths and speak in whispers about them to their friends. I don't generally let anyone know that I am agnostic. It would label me almost the same as if I were a leper. If my mother knew she would most definitely disown me. It's that bad.


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Re: Say something positive about Christians [Re: Ekstaza]
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Muppet...

thanks about the avatar :smile:

but im retireing it for a while, now i got this pretty blue one done up.

dont worry, it will be back : )

peace


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GODDESSES
Women look at themselves and they seem utterly human, when looking at men they see proud
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Re: Say something positive about Christians [Re: Todcasil]
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Christians are able to look at the blooming, buzzing, craziness of reality and find a truth that they invest their energy towards seeing through as true. They can be extremely honest, loving people.


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Re: Say something positive about Christians [Re: silversoul7]
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* Motions towards signature below* :lol:

:wink:

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
Peace. :mushroom2:


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Re: Say something positive about Christians [Re: silversoul7]
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Christianity, for me, has taught me what is wrong with it. I learned that through being a fundamentalist christian for a number of years.

I know many christians, and many are great people.Christianity helps in many ways also. It helps lots of people who can't handle life without help also.


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Re: Say something positive about Christians [Re: silversoul7]
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The thing i like about Christianity is they changed from the bottom up.  The culture of Christianity from about the crusades to the Renaissance was vile, murderous and evil.  But they changed....and it wasnt some invading power that forced them to change....the common people changed what Christianity was and what it stood for.  This change started from the bottom and worked its way to the top.  Its very rare in human history that any culture/religion changes its ways without an outside force, but the Christians did, and for that they have my respect.  :thumbup:

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Re: Say something positive about Christians [Re: silversoul7]
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i have never said that christians are bad people. however in my experience most are narrow minded, this is what i hate most. when people become christians they stop themselves doubting their religion and blindly follow it, unable to question what they follow but following it because they are Christians. wow i intended this post to turn out positive lol


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Re: Say something positive about Christians [Re: ]
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Well yes, there is always a variable at play like that. I was just making an unfair generalization based on my own life experiences.

(Haha!)

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Re: Say something positive about Christians [Re: Todcasil]
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Todcasil said:
i like their stained glass art.


SO TRUE!!!! haha! religion is good for one thing that's for sure: supporting the arts!  :thumbup:


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Re: Say something positive about Christians [Re: Mad_Buhdda_Abuser]
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Maybe yes, maybe no, but it's irrelevant to the Truth which Jesus embodied.


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Re: Say something positive about Christians [Re: silversoul7]
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...And Schindler was a member of the Nazi Party, but as Nazis go, he was the best kind. He worked in and with evil, and created spaces within that evil holocaust into which innocent humans were spared death.

Conversely, the Catholic Church and the later Protestant Churches, conducting their own holocaust, burned to death tens of millions of innocent people over 300 years whom they called heretics, witches, sorcerers, magician, enchantresses (many of whom were probably gorgeous women who said "no" to repulsive clergymen, who then announced that they'd been 'enchanted' or 'charmed' or 'bewitched' with love magic, i.e., sexual politics).

Now it is probably true that a 'good Nazi' is much more rare than a good Christian, but everyone who CALLS him/herself a Christian does not mean that they have any idea what it means to BE a Christian - to manifest Christ in the Way that is intended for human beings: Mercy NOT Judgement. The Christ [doctrine] of the Bible speaks of Christ as embodying both aspects ("coming in glory to judge the living and the dead") but this metaphysic is reserved for GOD alone, not crusaders and inquisitioners. Any Jewish Kabbalist who knows little or nothing of the NT still Knows that Judgement (Din) and Mercy (Chesed) are two spheres on the left and right columns of the Tree of Life. A Christian Kabbalist additionally Knows that the central sphere Tiphereth (Beauty) is identified with Christ, the Primal [Hu]man, the spiritual Sun.

I suppose that the haters who call themselves Christians are no more than inheritors of the pagan atrocity that Constantine made of the Holy Roman Catholic Church. Constantine was a Sun worshipper and was forced into a deathbed conversion to Christianity for politic's sake. He knew that Rome could better rally under this upstart religion of One GOD than under the polytheism stolen from the Greeks. Constantine was a warrior, a conquerer, whose vision of the Greek letters Chi [X] and Rho [P] superimposed on each other, and the message 'Under this sign conquer,' created a monstosity that has become the religion called Christianity: a many-headed hydra of denominations at war with each other and other faiths since the beginning.

As I become older, I find it more difficult to tell people I am a Christian. It is not accurate to say that I am a Jew either. A Jewish Christian, and people say "Oh, Jews for Jesus," which makes me want to gag. The only reason that I use Gnostic as a tag is because some churches of those 'heretics' sought to become 'Christ-like' themselves instead of fighting and killing and persecuting in the Name of Christ and with the Name of Christ - Christ-ians. What's a Believer in the Way to say? GOD forbid that people think that I watch the 700 Club, go to see Benny Hinn, or think that letters written by Paul are the infallible Words of GOD Almighty. WHAT...in GOD's Name can I call myself to most clearly and accurately describe the TRUTH that I worship and endeavor to be transformed into?


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Re: Say something positive about Christians [Re: silversoul7]
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What I like about Christianity (besides the aformentioned ) is its understanding of mass psychology. I was at the rosary for my sister's deceased godmother, and suddenly I realised the mass chanting of the same words, combined with the altered light from stained glass windows is a tool to join the attending 'subscribers' as one single body, devoted to one single goal.
When I listen to gregorian music, I can imagine very well that people thought God was present in mass. The music itself is designed to take you to higher regions. I like it to such a degree that I'm going to listen to it during my next trip.

Next: using Latin for masses. IMO, it's a bad thing masses are now conducted in the local language. I see the point in translating scripture for personal use in the home, but masses should be in Latin once more, because that arcane language simply demonstrates the otherworldly nature of communion with God. Especially in these times, where people who choose to learn Latin are becoming more and more rare, it would be a good thing to emphasise the mystery upon which the religion is based.

That automatically brings me to the next point: symbolism. Christianity has some great symbols and metaphors, although the church has opted to translate those into more contemporary modes of speech. That was a wrong move, IMO, because much can be learned if one understands the symbolism correctly. They tell you a lot about human nature, and more specifically, the ways of the psyche.


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Re: Say something positive about Christians [Re: silversoul7]
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Even the simpsons bash Christians...Flanders etc...

I dont know...they are polite and will give you change if you need some....

Thats a good thing!

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Re: Say something positive about Christians [Re: Northernsoul]
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Flanders always comes off as compassionate though.. I mean, the guy bends over backwards for Homer, who simply takes advantage of that..the Flanders family gets excited when they have a chance to feed, bath, and clothe some transient. When Christians are bashed, they're usually bashed for judgementalism, fundamentalism, etc... not to mention there's alot of religion in general in the Simpsons, and everyone in Springfield pretty much accepts the existence of God.

There's even some book called the "Gospels According to the Simpsons"


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Re: Say something positive about Christians [Re: silversoul7]
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At least they're not Catholics!!!


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Re: Say something positive about Christians [Re: theorganicdomino]
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Catholics are Christians


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Re: Say something positive about Christians [Re: silversoul7]
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silversoul7 said:
I once had a strong trip in which I felt like I was Jesus on the cross, tormented spiritually, then I accepted Jesus's love into my heart and the pain ended. I don't know if that makes me a Christian(I still don't believe in the inerrancy of the Bible, and I still believe in a pantheistic God, not an anthropomorphic one), but it was an intense experience which made me feel closer to God.



I've had a couple of similar experiences. The last time I was at this festival and I thought I was going to be crucified so the rapture could come (obviously there was much more to it, but for the sake of discussion....) it was quite terrifying, until I felt my burden had been absolved by Christ.


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Re: Say something positive about Christians [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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MarkostheGnostic said:
GOD forbid that people think that I watch the 700 Club, go to see Benny Hinn, or think that letters written by Paul are the infallible Words of GOD Almighty. WHAT...in GOD's Name can I call myself to most clearly and accurately describe the TRUTH that I worship and endeavor to be transformed into?


Yeah, it's tough. A disciple of Christ, perhaps?


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The ultimate meaning of our being can only be fulfilled in the paradoxical leap beyond the tragic-demonic frustration. It is a leap from our side, but it is the self-surrendering presence of the Ground of Being from the other side.
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Re: Say something positive about Christians [Re: silversoul7]
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silversoul7 said:
Catholics are Christians


Well, that totally depends on who you ask.  :rolleyes:


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Jesus spoke to me in a vision while I was dying after a drug [Re: Malachi]
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oh, this should be of some interest. It's quite the trip report.

http://www.morneahlers.com/My_testimony.html


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Re: Say something positive about Christians [Re: silversoul7]
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I think this passage explains all i belive is good about Christianity...
1Corinthians 13 Love
If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always preserves.
Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears.
When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

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