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Re: Why are Christians on the Shroomery? [Re: kaiowas]
    #6737973 - 04/02/07 01:58 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

kaiowas -
I hear you, but did you not see why I responded that way? I was addressing a relavively mechanical part of our being - psychological development of cognition, of critical thinking. In his case, he was applying it to religious ideas. What I was saying was that I was merely adressing his psychological development, while HE was addressing my spiritual relationship with God, which I deem a whole lot more personal than mere psychological development. I hear you, but perhaps you should address HIS presumptuous intrusion into my most personal life. I was only addressing his age with regard to the way children often bust out with the most inappropriate questions or comments!


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Re: Why are Christians on the Shroomery? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #6738501 - 04/02/07 04:32 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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MarkostheGnostic said:

I consider myself to be Christian, but I am certainly not the two-dimensional sort of Christian who is called 'Fundamentalist' or 'Evangelical.' Such individuals usually seem to have a combination of extraverted personality type (which gloms onto non-inner-directed Christian 'directions'), an often pathological need for 'perfection' (which is enacted through rigid, often Obsessive-Compulsive moral imperatives), and a
Superiority Complex and power motive which is frequently confounded with the Holy Spirit (i.e., the Holy Spirit 'saves' people, not loud-mouthed evangelists).

It seems pretty obvious that this brand of Christian is here to 'save' the sinners that populate this site. However, we are ALL sinners according to the wretched doctrine of Original Sin (penned by Augustine, not Biblical authors btw). So the Superiority Complex operates (as complexes do) in an autonomous way which creates a psychological 'blind spot.' In other words, everyone else is a sinner, but the evangelizer experiences him/herself in a superior state of being (e.g., 'saved,' 'washed in the blood of the lamb,' etc.). While such a person will admit to being a sinner if asked, it is lip-service because the affect underlying the humble admission is rooted in the superiority complex or the Messianic Complex (which also feels superior). Then, to make matters even worse, Schizophrenics, Paranoid Type, post here, speaking in the first person because their Complex has usurped their personality, and they want Shroomerites to think that very God is talking through them. Check it out!

What blows my mind is that I get accused of using "psycho-babble" by these types of professing Christians when in fact, I am not babbling at all. I am speaking from years of analytical education and training. And what's worse is that more people do not question the underlying psychology of people who adopt these forms of religion with which they go out to assail and assault humanity.


Mental illness very often takes a religious form. Nazism was a religious movement and a whole nation went mad. Muslim suicide bombers are violently insane, believing propagandized delusions about perpetual sexual intercourse with forever young celestial virgins who have translucent skin and ruby marrow in their pearlescent bones. Japanese Kamakazi suicide bombers were taught that just by reciting "Nama Amida Butsu" - In the Name of Amida Buddha - the Buddha of Infinite Light, mass killing and their own death would result in arrival in the Buddhist 'Pure Land.' Fundamentalist Christians have their own delusions based on symbols found in Revelations. Why delusions? Because of Transcendental conditions, 1 Corinthians 2:9 says: "But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him," which means incomprehensible, for the simpletons who maintain delusions about 'golden roads' or 'lakes of fire.' We must not become angry with the delusional, while at the same time we must be fully cognizant that they are quite dangerous to life and limb, and enemies of Freedom on every level.





For the record, I think this is an excellent analysis of the fundamentalist Christians that preach here. I don't understand what all the fuss is about.





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Re: Why are Christians on the Shroomery? [Re: Sinbad]
    #6738802 - 04/02/07 05:56 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Piss-poor analysis. The point is about NOT indulging the delusions of the mentally ill; not debating a delusion. You might have a bone to pick with ME zafu-dude, but my take on this mistake about discourse with the delusory is not a judgement, unconscious or otherwise on the mentally ill. You simply don't see mental illness when you encounter it. You respect the person and their civil rights. You do not enter into the delusion with them. any more than you'd throw yourself overboard a ship to save a man overboard! You stay grounded and help them from there.

How about an analysis of the perpetually pissed off, who have to sit still just to keep a civil, silent tongue in their head. Maybe someone should take a close look at that bit of edginess.

You're all over the place: political issues, preaching issues, issues with therapists, inferiority-superiority dynamics. Do you even know what your own problem is? Do you think you do not have a problem? It seems pretty evident that you have a problem with me (albeit, you do vacillate on this appraisal), but now I'm of one mind with those who perpetuate the war. Yeah, you're right on target here m'man.


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Re: Why are Christians on the Shroomery? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #6738846 - 04/02/07 06:05 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Why is that analysis piss poor? I do not feel you addressed the questions. I think the poster makes valid points. It was not Sinbad though and you replyed to him. It's just a debate here and you seem pretty pissed off about this.


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Re: Why are Christians on the Shroomery? [Re: spiritualemerg]
    #6738880 - 04/02/07 06:15 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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In the opening statement we see the firm establishment of superiority and the introduction of a separation into two groups: Us and Them.  The "Us" group is the community itself (comprised of many); the "Them" group is that which is outside of the community and has been perceived to be a threat.  It is comprised of one -- Demotriton.  Therefore, we also see a gross imbalance in the power between the two groups. 




Please, Markosthegnostic did not specify anyone. Once again, you are attempting to turn this into a personalism-infused discussion. Please review the forum rules. We discuss ideas here, and not the individuals who post here. I've already suggested as much in this thread.

No one is being perceived as a threat, and there is more than one individual who posts in the manner that markosthegnostic described.

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This matter has already been addressed to a certain degree.  Essentially, if someone who is not one of the group (a Them) tries to "save" people, that's perceived as bad.  If someone who is part of the group (an Us) tries to save people, that's perceived as good, acceptable, even admirable.




Perhaps this can be evident in a lot of situations in reality. I put into question how many people have honestly responded to someone with fundamentalist views in an attempt to "save them". Regardless, this forum is intended for the discussion of ideas. Its not about saving anyone, but rather the exchange of ideas.   

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...I'm not surprised this degree of bias still exists to such an unconscious degree but one would like to think that a Clinical Psychologist was slightly more in tune.




More personalisms. :thumbdown:

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The only thing this statement lacks is a pulpit.




Please, you continue to refer to the "Us vs. Them" mentality allegedly evident in Markosthegnostic's posts, yet it is no different from the standpoint you assume positioned agansit Markosthegnostic.

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In short, "be afwaid, be vewy afwaid" because the bad guys are out there and one must be ever viligant and watchful of the boogeyman!  It is precisely this kind of thinking that has killed more than 3000 American soldiers, up to 600,000 Iraqi citizens, and god only knows how many Afghanis -- I don't think anyone's been keeping count.




Logical fallacies abound. Associating a perspective presented with the Iraqi war without a clear link to be demonstrated is dubious.



Considering that this thread is not really centered around a philosophical or spiritual topic for discussion and is so close to crossing into personalism territory that the rule has been violated numerous times, this thread is hereby closed. The question is "Why are Christians on the Shroomery?", and a reasonable answer is that it is something to be considered on a case-by-case basis. Obviously, this is something that cannot be achieved without directly discussing individual posters and their nature and utilizing the ideas they have presented in an attempt to define their personal nature, as has been evidenced in this thread.


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Re: Why are Christians on the Shroomery? [Re: hot48yearolds]
    #6738882 - 04/02/07 06:16 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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