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Re: Christianity is Spiritual [Re: palmersc]
    #7555445 - 10/24/07 03:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I agree. I put all my trust into my own intelligence and what I could see before I found Jesus... or Jesus found me.




It sounds like you had new experiences that transcended old ways of thinking. It is still you - you've simply adopted a conceptual model for interpreting the changes within yourself, how you manage your thoughts, etc.

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I used to think that there was no such thing as sin and that right and wrong were relative truths.




Why do you think differently now? :sherlock:

I realize you say "that was until I went through a series of experiences...", but you haven't actually proposed ideas as to why you hold a different perspective.

What ideaological basis do you have for believing in "sin" and an objective "right and wrong"?

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The more I learn about the mystery I now have communication with, the more I see how worthless all my endeavors were before.




Worthless? Aren't you being unduly harsh? Clearly, who you have been prior to these relevatory experiences are responsible for bringing you to these experiences. We learn and grow. :wink:

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The faith I have now is a gift from God, and without God's grace or gift, I could not follow Jesus.




Define "g*d", please. The term is far too ambigious for it to be employed in open discussion of ideas without providing specifically what it is meant by it.

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I see the world now through a new set of eyes. I have a totally different attitude now, and my old ways are being transformed into His ways without me doing anything but trusting in Him.




Trusting in yourself and reality, perhaps? :strokebeard:

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Even when I am tempted to disobey, I just pray and the temptations dissipate.




To disobey? Do you mean, when you have different ideas of how you prefer to act, and you consider one of them to be more right?

To be perfectly honest, your mental sense of identity sounds as though it is divided into a master/slave relationship, between different identities that are competing. Using the term "disobey" strengthens the suspicion. I'd suggest finding ways to unify your sense of identity into one, healthy whole. Of course, this would mean realizing that one's mind is oneself, and that one's conceptions of "g*d" and "Jesus" are simply abstract identities that one has created to achieve an end. 

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I am learning to discern between the sources of my thoughts. Whether it be from me, God or the devil.




You are the source of all of your thoughts, my friend. You've adopted a psychological model of your thoughts that isn't the healthiest, and certainly not necessary. 

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The mind has been a battlefield for me as I had so much junk in there.




A battlefield? Using this term implies that you have been suffering. It might be necessary to realize the source of your suffering is not the fact that you are a sinner, or that the "Devil" thinks some of your thoughts, or that you yourself "disobey" g*d, but because you have adopted this model of "psychology".

Ultimately, the framework within which you manage your thought processes does not reflect the reality of how one's mind actually works. Suffering is evidence of this, the perspective that one's mind is divided between distinct entities is evidence of this....

I'd suggest reflecting on the idea that all of your thoughts are you. Realize that you are a being that is in a state of constant change and expression, and that, of course, there are going to be thoughts that will lead you down one path, while other thoughts will lead you down another. Our identity is composed of individual thoughts, but we are one identity. It just changes. Holding an ideal of who you are and who you wish to be, and placing your intention within it, is the most effective manner in which to approach the matter, I find. Thoughts that do not reflect this are not the "devil", it is simply a disparity in your thought processes that would lead you down another course. It simply a matter of deciding which course is yours, and guiding your thoughts along that course.

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I know my eternal soul is at stake here, and I'm not interested in playing around when I see the power God's word has had on my life. This adventure I'm on has a destination, and I know it's real. I have much more joy than anything I ever manufactured in the past.




Can you elaborate upon the idea that your "eternal soul" is at stake here, please?



Thought to clarify, since there has been some dicussion regarding it in this thread - P&S is a forum for open, criticial discussion. When an individual chooses to propose one's nature and one's beliefs as the ideas for discussion, then it is to be expected that discussion will follow suit as other posters decide, provided, of course, that there are no personalisms and flaming. If anyone is not interested in engaging the ideas they propose in open discussion, then I propose the alternative forum, M&tP, in which one's beliefs are free from challenge and debate. :wink:


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