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Re: Christianity is Spiritual [Re: palmersc]
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if you ever talk shit to christians about what holes they have, they just say they wont knw til heaven, and for them thats enough, and they also brainwash hundreds of kids at each christian school. i knw, i went to one years ago, i also went to catholic, haha talk about a trip


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Re: Christianity is Spiritual [Re: Icelander]
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Namaste.

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Re: Christianity is Spiritual [Re: palmersc] * 1
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Christianity is pretty cool if you are in .5% of people that actually get what it is about, but I think the rest have so put off non-christians that many might as well turn to more effective spiritual practices with less cultural baggage and excessive dogma.

But I think whatever works the best for where you are at.


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Re: Christianity is Spiritual [Re: Divided_Sky]
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Divided_Sky said:
Christianity is pretty cool if you are in .5% of people that actually get what it is about, but I think the rest have so put off non-christians that many might as well turn to more effective spiritual practices with less cultural baggage and excessive dogma.

But I think whatever works the best for where you are at.


would someone who went to christian school for 2 1/2 years be let in that .5 percent, because i don't think christianity is cool... anyone with basic moral standards can live up to what normal christians do


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Re: Christianity is Spiritual [Re: searchalx] * 1
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Re: Christianity is Spiritual

Yes - real Christianity is by nature totally spiritual . Most people who call themselves christian are very far from what I consider to be a truly devoted connected christian - so it has a pretty bad name in the west .

Some of you guys here are so mean ! - Even if you truly think he is wrong there is no need for such mean-ness and mocking - you really lower the idea people have of peaceful calm controlled hippy shroomers .
Maybe you dont care - I dont know .


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Re: Christianity is Spiritual [Re: Mirth]
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Umm... most of us are no "hippies" here.
Also, you might wanna check what this forum stands for.
Also, if you don't like it, go to the mysticism forum.
Also "mean-ness", as everything else, is in the eye of the beholder.
Also... :bye:


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Re: Christianity is Spiritual [Re: Mirth]
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Some of you guys here are so mean ! - Even if you truly think he is wrong there is no need for such mean-ness and mocking - you really lower the idea people have of peaceful calm controlled hippy shroomers .
Maybe you dont care - I dont know .


Are you talkin to me? Are you talkin to me?:hissyfit:

You better be careful fella as us bullies will be pickin on you next.:mad:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Christianity is Spiritual [Re: Mirth]
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If it's any consolation, I agree that people ought not mock that which is sacred to others, even if one inwardly thinks that they are spiritually retarded. I brought 'sacred stones' back from from shrines of Obatala and Oshun at Yorubaland in the heart of Nigeria for a Cuban practitioner of Santeria in Miami. I knew that he would regard these stones with a particular reverence (consecrated stones to the Orishas are used, but these were stones picked from the very place of Afro-Cuban religious origin). I took these as an act of friendship even though I have no personal reverence for such objects.

I do hold scriptural writings with a certain respect in more than one tradition because I am aware of the history and philosophy of religions. I would never demean others' systems of spirituality (barring human sacrifice of course) and all I ask is to be allowed to practice my own rituals, whatever they may be, without hindrance. I do not condemn others for true aspiration to Truth and I do not expect others to interfere with mine. Control is power and power is politics. None of this has anything to do with true spiritual aspiration. Politics are diametrically opposed to true spirituality because power is diametrically opposed to love. "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and unto God what is God's."


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Edited by MarkostheGnostic (10/23/07 05:32 PM)

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Re: Christianity is Spiritual [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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It's amazing that so many Christians condemn idol worshiping but still treat Jesus as an idol (and the only idol at that), especially when no idol is universally accessible: only a small fraction of humans--and humans only--can know Christ the idol. Christ consciousness (what we can imagine it to be based on inaccurate, pieced-together texts) however, could be universally accessible and reached through a variety of different mediums and could be synonymous with the enlightened mind of other wisdom traditions. Only in this way, could it be the ONLY way. I agree that the literal fundy interpretation is misguided. It'll only lead to idol worshiping.

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Re: Christianity is Spiritual [Re: palmersc]
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Christianity is a state of mind and a state of being a choice. Only true to one who believes it. There is a way of life that is Christian and it is formed like any other state of consciousness. By allowing it to be. By letting its seed grow in your mind. Taking hold of it and making it part of you morals and beliefs. It cannot and will not be true to anyone who does not choose it. In all reality Christianity is a belief that is specific and unique to everyone who chooses to believe it. Because we all add our own bias and personality to it.


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Re: Christianity is Spiritual [Re: Walter1496211]
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Walter1496211 said:
Christianity is a state of mind and a state of being a choice. Only true to one who believes it. There is a way of life that is Christian and it is formed like any other state of consciousness. By allowing it to be. By letting its seed grow in your mind. Taking hold of it and making it part of you morals and beliefs. It cannot and will not be true to anyone who does not choose it. In all reality Christianity is a belief that is specific and unique to everyone who chooses to believe it. Because we all add our own bias and personality to it.


k , well dont condemn other people to hell why ur at it, a belief ina "state of consciousness" , if its just that, then why do christians condemn everyone but themselves? I know maybe you don't, and i will give you the benefit of the doubt that ur better then that, because u sound like you have a good outlook, so then, if that is so that you dont condemn people, yourself, then how can you deal with calling yourself a christian, when the majority of your group does condemn and are shallow dependant clingers. who cant think for themselves and who somewhere down the line lost honesty to themselves, human nature, and the will to critique beliefs and ideas.


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Re: Christianity is Spiritual [Re: searchalx] * 1
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I cannot speak for them. I can only speak for myself. I agree most Christians are very forward about there beliefs and not shy about preaching hellfire. But me personally (my open onion) I don't think telling someone they are going to hell is very appropriate. Most people who despise Christianity would love for you to sit there and spit out stupid threats, It only solidifies the argument that the person saying those things is really not in touch with what they believe. I believe that I should live my life how I see fit and you should live yours how you see fit. If my example. Or my happiness appeal to you or anyone else ask about it I might be able to tell you how I live and what I think. And asking me why I can call myself a Christian while other Christians do not follow what I believe is like asking my why I call myself an American if our president likes to make wars I don't agree with. I make choices for myself using Christianity as a guide, I don't make choices blindly following others.


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Re: Christianity is Spiritual [Re: Walter1496211] * 1
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very good response, i hope you continue to grow and love what you do, let nothing stop you :smile:


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Re: Christianity is Spiritual [Re: druglord] * 1
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That's pretty much my take on things.

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Re: Christianity is Spiritual [Re: palmersc] * 1
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The post that started this thread.


While my experience, 2 years ago, was not quite the same, I feel you and I have met many of the same conclusions. I am a Christian, but I generally separate myself from others under the title because I do not like, or moreso hate, what it has become at large, and I feel only 5-10% of the church (the part least exposed, at that) truly represents what it is supposed to be. Of the dozen churches I've been to, I find one was close to what the scriptures would agree with.

But beyond that, I find faith a matter of realizing just how limited our own senses are. I do not place faith in my senses, but rather the experiences and spiritual movements that lead me to see that Christ is the only reconciliation for mankind that works. If someone explained something better, I would accept it. All have failed so far.

There's a lot more that could be said between us, I'm sure, but this is a public forum, and I'm sure what words I've said will be poked and prodded before you get a chance to read them. This is just a shout out of "I hear you and agree." Best of luck in your walk.


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Re: Christianity is Spiritual [Re: Tsion]
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Christ is the only reconciliation for mankind that works.

You're welcome to believe this if it helps you sleep but I see little evidence of the truth of this statement.

Some of the most loving, compassionate and non-violent and centered folk I have come across had no religious beliefs at all.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Christianity is Spiritual [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Christ is the only reconciliation for mankind that works.

You're welcome to believe this if it helps you sleep but I see little evidence of the truth of this statement.

Some of the most loving, compassionate and non-violent and centered folk I have come across had no religious beliefs at all.


You're right, otherwise there wouldn't be so many pagans running around all over the place. Satan's good... real good.


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Re: Christianity is Spiritual [Re: Rahz]
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Actually the Christians (as far as I know) turned the Pagan God Pan into the Devil so as to be rid of his influence.


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Re: Christianity is Spiritual [Re: Tsion] * 1
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I find faith a matter of realizing just how limited our own senses are. I do not place faith in my senses, but rather the experiences and spiritual movements that lead me to see that Christ is the only reconciliation for mankind that works.



I agree. I put all my trust into my own intelligence and what I could see before I found Jesus... or Jesus found me. I used to think that there was no such thing as sin and that right and wrong were relative truths. That was until I went through a series of experiences which opened my eyes to what is really going on here. The more I learn about the mystery I now have communication with, the more I see how worthless all my endeavors were before.

The faith I have now is a gift from God, and without God's grace or gift, I could not follow Jesus. My faith is not something I just decided to turn on one day. He gave it to me. We can't know God unless He lets us.

I see the world now through a new set of eyes. I have a totally different attitude now, and my old ways are being transformed into His ways without me doing anything but trusting in Him. Even when I am tempted to disobey, I just pray and the temptations dissipate. And whenever I have questionable thoughts, I compare them to scripture to make sure they do not contradict. I am learning to discern between the sources of my thoughts. Whether it be from me, God or the devil. The mind has been a battlefield for me as I had so much junk in there. I've had experiences over the last few months where demons have fled and am feeling much more control over my thought life.

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If someone explained something better, I would accept it. All have failed so far.



Well a lot of things do make more sense and some even have appeal. But I cannot deny the reality that I am living. I know my eternal soul is at stake here, and I'm not interested in playing around when I see the power God's word has had on my life. This adventure I'm on has a destination, and I know it's real. I have much more joy than anything I ever manufactured in the past.

The path is narrow, but He who begins a good work in us will finish it! Good luck to you too.

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Re: Christianity is Spiritual [Re: palmersc]
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I know my eternal soul is at stake here,

So you better do as you're told or you will be condemned to burn for eternity by an all loving god.:crazy2::monkeydance:


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