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OfflineMurex
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Re: Bloodthirsty Christians [Re: ]
    #1440707 - 04/08/03 08:22 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

jesus wasnt god.

Yes he was........but so am I.  :tongue:


Edit: Oh Shit, this has allready been said.......sorry.  :blush:


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?


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Re: Bloodthirsty Christians [Re: ]
    #1440708 - 04/08/03 08:22 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

My main problem with that text (from what I have read so far) is that no context is given.


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"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Bloodthirsty Christians [Re: z@z.com]
    #1440711 - 04/08/03 08:24 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

it really would be good if a mod would move this thread. there are people over in
S & P who know far more about this than I.

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Re: Bloodthirsty Christians [Re: ]
    #1440772 - 04/08/03 08:44 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

As for non-hostile Iraqis, "I think they can be brought up intellectually, but it'll take some work because they're still in the Stone Age," Akins said. He appeared startled to hear that Iraqis are descendants of ancient Mesopotamia, a thriving civilization that created the world's first known system of writing and body of law, and that until the havoc of Hussein's regime, Iraq also enjoyed a substantial and highly educated middle class.

lol, what a retarded grunt.

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Re: Bloodthirsty Christians [Re: ]
    #1440816 - 04/08/03 08:59 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Religons evolved thru the years into cults that brainwash people into giving their money to the church. I'm sure there were some real basis for all religons at some point.

My advise: Don't listen to them, find your own path.  :wink: 


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?


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Re: Bloodthirsty Christians [Re: Murex]
    #1440839 - 04/08/03 09:07 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

You have a very cynical view of religion. Religion will always be used by some people to get rich or gain power. That is perversion of a religion and it shouldn't be tolerated, but it does not discredit said religion.


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"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Bloodthirsty Christians [Re: ]
    #1440846 - 04/08/03 09:09 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

She also says..
web page


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Re: Bloodthirsty Christians [Re: z@z.com]
    #1440848 - 04/08/03 09:10 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

I still think it's better to start with nothing and go from there. I hate it that children are brought up with religon.......that just sickens me.


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?


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Re: Bloodthirsty Christians [Re: Murex]
    #1441032 - 04/08/03 10:15 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

yes, but it's a part of alot of people's cultural heritage. it's sortof like a family tradition. sure, this approach to it often drains it of some genuine spirituality, but it's not all bad. my family belongs to a local presbyterian church. my father and my brother occasionally attend, I haven't attended a service in years. my parents never forced me to go to church. when i have attended church functions (various community service projects) i've found the people to be very warm and friendly, like a family. not all churches are bad. many are very warm, open, and tolerant. the 'my' church is very much like that. it's focused on helping people get together and develop spiritually, not take their money.

i think one of the worst parts about parents making their children get up early and get dressed up and hang out with a bunch of old folks through a sermon every sunday is that in many cases, the only thing it teaches them is to resent religion and take shun spirituality. people today are seriously sagging in the spirituality department, and i think that this may in part be why.

i'm glad my parents never forced religion on me. i find myself much more of a spiritual person than many of my peers, who want none of it, ever since being forced into church when they were young.

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Re: Bloodthirsty Christians [Re: ]
    #1441067 - 04/08/03 10:23 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

I'm sure the people are friendly and all that, but that doesn't mean they have the true religon!!!


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?


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Re: Bloodthirsty Christians [Re: Murex]
    #1441101 - 04/08/03 10:31 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

and despite the fact that christianity is the pop religion of america, christianity is a tradition that is not without alot of genuine insight.

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Re: Bloodthirsty Christians [Re: ]
    #1441109 - 04/08/03 10:33 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

All organized religons are scams imo.


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?


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Re: Bloodthirsty Christians [Re: Murex]
    #1441115 - 04/08/03 10:34 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

I think all organized religions started out with good intentions, but then got bastardized by people using them to gain power and influence.


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Re: Bloodthirsty Christians [Re: silversoul7]
    #1441119 - 04/08/03 10:35 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

I like religion.


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Re: Bloodthirsty Christians [Re: Murex]
    #1441125 - 04/08/03 10:37 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

well... are all formal political doctrines scams? are all philosophical schools of thought scams?

catholicism was a blight upon humanity for a long time. i will give you that. but to say that "all organized religions are scams"??? i'm interested to hear the reasoning with which you found yourself at this viewpoint.

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Re: Bloodthirsty Christians [Re: Zahid]
    #1441131 - 04/08/03 10:38 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

I like religion.



Nobody's perfect.


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Re: Bloodthirsty Christians [Re: ]
    #1441351 - 04/08/03 11:37 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

catholicism was a blight upon humanity for a long time. i will give you that. but to say that "all organized religions are scams"??? i'm interested to hear the reasoning with which you found yourself at this viewpoint.

In one word- Money.


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What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
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Re: Bloodthirsty Christians [Re: Murex]
    #1441472 - 04/09/03 12:15 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

when a specific gathering of spiritual teachings is followed by a group of people, a community is formed. this group has a shared set of practices and beliefs. if the group is large enough, and remains together long enough, it can be called a religion.

some religions become large, hierarchal, and corrupt. the catholic church has got millions of dollars, owns golf courses and the like, and pays for those higher up in its hierarchy to live in huge estates. it more closely resembles a business than a spiritual institution.

most religions, however, are NOT just some scam to get rich and powerful. the catholic church is a very old business. they sell morality today as they have for hundreds of years.

placing all organized religions in this same category is simplistic and mistaken, and shows little understanding of the actual realities of religious organizations. (and an extremely cynical, pessimistic view of human nature).

Edited by mushmaster (04/09/03 12:41 AM)

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Re: Bloodthirsty Christians [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1442906 - 04/09/03 11:54 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

I am so impressed with the politeness of this thread I am rating it a 5.

You guys all rock! (except for the grunt comment)

Cheers,

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Re: Bloodthirsty Christians [Re: ]
    #1442932 - 04/09/03 11:58 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

"I think they can be brought up intellectually, but it'll take some work because they're still in the Stone Age,"

doesn't this take human ignorance to the max?

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