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I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!!
    #3765892 - 02/11/05 08:44 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I want be coming here very much, only if the lord leads me here will I be back.

enlightment is a scary place, it hards to get used to, but once your there, you never want to leave, i am at peace, no fear, one with the world, i thought i was before, but i was'nt, i am there now, i was only fooling myself before, how do I know i'm there now? the lord told me i am, and as it is written in the word, the word of God is forever, so it is written.

I am free, that is the way the lord created me, i'm in faith, perfect holy faith, faith with the lord, yes! enlightment! i am at! only enlightment is not a holy enough word to decribe where i am at, but if you could find a word that means the same thing, i am there.

there is a music video by the band Radiohead, the song i believe was called "Just", in it, everything is done with subtitles at the bottom of the screen, a man lays down on the sidewalk for what seems like no reason at all, just simply laying there, everyone sorrounds him saying "why are you laying here?", "are you hurt?" they asked, the man says "no, just leave me here." "well why are you just laying here?" they asked, the says "you don't want to know", the police come, tho docters come, the therapist come, the young come, the old come, and everyone in between comes, the rich come, the poor come, the stupid come, the wise come, everyone comes, the people, all of them beg him "yes we do! please for the love of God tell us!", the man say "alright..." than the subtitles disappear, but you still see his mouth move, next thing you know, everyone is laying down with him, instanly they were enlightend, that is what enlightment is like.

my mind shattered, i have to pick it all back up and put back together, but i can't by myself, i need help, and the only one that can help is the lord, for I have finally been enlighted.

there's a song called ooh la la by the band "the faces", one of the verse goes, "you have to learn just like me, and that's the hardest way", that is what i am at, the chorus goes, "I wish that i knew what i know now, when i was younger, i wish that i knew know, when i was stronger." that is what i am at, truely, like it is written, Jesus was right when he said "blessed are those who have'nt seen, and yet still believe".

there's a buddhist story, read it here, that is what i am at.

in the movie Forest Gump, when that army guy jumps off the boat and swims in the ocean laughing like a mad man, and just drifts away, that is what i am at, and forest says "i think he was finally at peace with God", he was right.

read this:
Jesus the Way to the Father
5Thomas said to him, ?Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how can we know the way??
6Jesus answered, ?I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.?

8Philip said, ?Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.?

9Jesus answered: ?Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ?Show us the Father?? 10Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. 12I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. 14You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

that is how know.

faith. that is it, nothing more, nothing less, it is all you need for enternal life.

read this:

The Jews Continue in Their Unbelief
37Even after Jesus had done all these miraculous signs in their presence, they still would not believe in him. 38This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet: ?Lord, who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed??[g]
39For this reason they could not believe, because, as Isaiah says elsewhere: 40?He has blinded their eyes
and deadened their hearts, so they can neither see with their eyes,
nor understand with their hearts,
nor turn?and I would heal them.?[h] 41Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus' glory and spoke about him.

42Yet at the same time many even among the leaders believed in him. But because of the Pharisees they would not confess their faith for fear they would be put out of the synagogue; 43for they loved praise from men more than praise from God.

44Then Jesus cried out, ?When a man believes in me, he does not believe in me only, but in the one who sent me. 45When he looks at me, he sees the one who sent me. 46I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness.

47?As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it. 48There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day. 49For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it. 50I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.?

Read this here that is what i am at, i once was blind and now i see, and that is all i know.

i used to wonder, how come i feel a strange fear when i want to talk about how pretty the sunset is? the stars? the moon? life, my freinds, everything and everyone? i know longer fear that, i am at peace. the darkness is gone, for the lord revealed it to me. the light he revealed to me.

thank you all. i'm not sure if 'm gonna be coming back anymore, i think i'm done here. if the lord lead me i will, if you need help here, i will if that is what i'm called to, but will see, time will tell. thank you for reading. you are blessed for hearing my testimony.

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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: JCoke]
    #3765913 - 02/11/05 08:50 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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"I traveled a long way seeking God, but when I finally gave up and turned back, there He was, within me! O Lalli! Now why do you wander like a beggar? Make some effort, and He will grant you a vision of Himself in the form of bliss in your heart." -the saint of the Kashmir Shaivism tradition: Lalli.

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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: JCoke]
    #3765925 - 02/11/05 08:56 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

You said that you are in a state of 'no fear', then how is it that enlightenment is a scary place if its beyond fear? Seems suspicious to me, are you sure that you not just fooling yourself again?

Sounds like your on a love and light trip, maybe if you observe your mind a little you'll discover that you arent enligtened at all, just heavily deluded.

Check your experiences, becuase enlightenment is a highly personal thing and not even the enlightened profess to having aachieved enlightenment.


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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: JCoke]
    #3765929 - 02/11/05 08:59 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

You reached enlightenment??? You are indulging your ego.


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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: JCoke]
    #3766219 - 02/11/05 10:51 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

> I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!!

Doh, there it went! Knowing the path isn't walking the path.


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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: Seuss]
    #3766340 - 02/11/05 11:22 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

The moment you look down and realize where you are is the moment you start to fall.

Just like the cartoons.. :lol:
Enjoy it while it lasts.


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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: Jellric]
    #3766433 - 02/11/05 11:51 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Perhaps he just means that his mind for a time was in tune to the cosmic consciousness. He dug a little deaper into himself, and found out the way it always is. If he wasn't on here saying he was enlightened then there would be reason for alarm. He's just trying to share an experience.

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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: sox24]
    #3766520 - 02/11/05 12:29 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Who knows what he means, but an experience of cosmic conciousness is just an experience. Not even the Dalai Lama claims to be enlightened.


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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: sox24]
    #3766636 - 02/11/05 01:01 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I agree with any suggestion that he just tapped into a place, like being on a love light trip, but like the others said, as wonderful as they are, we don't stay in them for long. It's easy to think you will be when in them but we come back down.

At least when we come down, each time we take a bit with us and some day, the more we can tap in and hold onto that beautiful place for as long as we can, it will slowly manifest itself in the down place and the down comes up a bit..ascension through incension.

Like jell said, enjoy them while they lasts and bring down what you can with you and know it will come again.

What I find interesting is why moments, days and weeks of reaching that temporary state make people want to leave the board. They always come back when they come down. I wonder if its because when you are there, its such a being place and there isn't much to talk about.

When I am there, I like to share that energy with others and just infuse as much as I can with that good love light stuff. I still haven't figured out how to keep from crashing after the natural high.

Sinbad,
what does it have to do with being delusional? What is so delusional about moments of great clarity because light is everywhere and feeling tremendous amounts of universal love? I always thought that was the greater truer reality and this illusion where it barely exists is the delusion we live in.


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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3766825 - 02/11/05 01:39 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Last time I professed my enlightenment I was put in a mental hospital for two weeks. No sane person would profess such a thing.


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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: InnerBeing]
    #3766834 - 02/11/05 01:41 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I did it once. I later realized that I had only taken about a dozen hits of LSD...it wore off.


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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: JCoke]
    #3767005 - 02/11/05 02:31 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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JCoke said:
I am free, that is the way the lord created me, i'm in faith, perfect holy faith, faith with the lord, yes! enlightment! i am at! only enlightment is not a holy enough word to decribe where i am at, but if you could find a word that means the same thing, i am there.



This entire post reads like a cheesy Christian attempt to hijack Buddhist lingo. Let it go. The days when Christianity had a tyrannical stranglehold on Western thought are gone, gone, gone, and they're never coming back. It's bad enough you bible beaters stole Easter's Spring festivities from the pagans. Quit dorking with things you don't understand.


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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: Clark]
    #3767019 - 02/11/05 02:35 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

True. "Enlightenment" is NOT a Christian concept.


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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: InnerBeing]
    #3767229 - 02/11/05 03:17 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Yes i agree, to profess enlightenment is the greatest of dellusions.


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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: InnerBeing]
    #3767289 - 02/11/05 03:30 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Last time I professed my enlightenment I was put in a mental hospital for two weeks. No sane person would profess such a thing.




Professing enlightenment is funny to me and I don't do it. I am still not even sure what it means. Life to me is a continuum of shedding light on to dark places and there always will be dark unknown places in our awarness and I can't see how ANYONE can think they are at a place of knowing it all for all of time to come. The closest you can come is realising how much we don't know.

I think we can become enlightened about some things as we become more aware of them and come to experienctially understand them, but the whole enchalada? hahahahahaha thats just funny! I'm humored when people claim to be 'enlightened".

Yes, there are a lot of people locked up on meds for thinking they are self realised omnipotent and omnipresent beings. I have no idea what is going on in a galaxy 1 billion light years away. I am far from being omni present and I can't fly yet so I'm not even close to omni potency either.

If someone can answer all of my why, where when and how to questions to my satisfaction, I may consider considering such a claim. Until then, I think its just "cute" of people in the way it self humors me.

Let them eat enlightened cake!


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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3767395 - 02/11/05 03:58 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

enlightenment is definitely good... but you cannot stay there.
I mean I dont even see enlightenment as a goal you can reach...its more of something you gather there is no MAXIMUM enlightenment its infinite you can be enlighted all day. that's great. I believe that to be truly enlighted means to be dead! Probably not even then!


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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: Sinbad]
    #3767418 - 02/11/05 04:01 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

A delusion is exactly what it is


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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: spidercid]
    #3767437 - 02/11/05 04:04 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

A dellusion is a misunderstanding of what is. You could say that anything is exactly what it is, but that isnt very helpful.


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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: Sinbad]
    #3767592 - 02/11/05 05:00 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

IMO, I dont think enlightenment can be expressed using the word "I" and "me" as many times as was used.

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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #3767606 - 02/11/05 05:02 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Precisely  :thumbup:


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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: Sinbad]
    #3767649 - 02/11/05 05:15 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

You said that you are in a state of 'no fear', then how is it that enlightenment is a scary place if its beyond fear? Seems suspicious to me, are you sure that you not just fooling yourself again?

it was scary at first, not any more, scary in the process. but peaceful afterwards, the storm before the calm if you will.

Sounds like your on a love and light trip, maybe if you observe your mind a little you'll discover that you arent enligtened at all, just heavily deluded.

life is a trip, as is birth, as is death, as is birth of the ego, as is death of it, i have no mind, if having no mind is insane, i am there, yes, i am insane.

Check your experiences, becuase enlightenment is a highly personal thing and not even the enlightened profess to having aachieved enlightenment.

enlightement is not the word to use than, all i can do is be crazy, like speaking in tongues, shouting like a mad man, but i'm not mad, the lord understands me, i'm just expressing my self the best i can to tell you my testimony.


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"I traveled a long way seeking God, but when I finally gave up and turned back, there He was, within me! O Lalli! Now why do you wander like a beggar? Make some effort, and He will grant you a vision of Himself in the form of bliss in your heart." -the saint of the Kashmir Shaivism tradition: Lalli.

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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3767651 - 02/11/05 05:16 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said:
You reached enlightenment??? You are indulging your ego.




no ego, i am not alive, not to this world, my ego is dead to the world.


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"I traveled a long way seeking God, but when I finally gave up and turned back, there He was, within me! O Lalli! Now why do you wander like a beggar? Make some effort, and He will grant you a vision of Himself in the form of bliss in your heart." -the saint of the Kashmir Shaivism tradition: Lalli.

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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: sox24]
    #3767659 - 02/11/05 05:19 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Perhaps he just means that his mind for a time was in tune to the cosmic consciousness.  He dug a little deaper into himself, and found out the way it always is.  If he wasn't on here saying he was enlightened then there would be reason for alarm.  He's just trying to share an experience.




that's a good way to put it, maybe enlightentment is not the right word for me to use. but if you could find a word that means the exact same thing, than i am there.

:shrug:


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"I traveled a long way seeking God, but when I finally gave up and turned back, there He was, within me! O Lalli! Now why do you wander like a beggar? Make some effort, and He will grant you a vision of Himself in the form of bliss in your heart." -the saint of the Kashmir Shaivism tradition: Lalli.

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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: Sinbad]
    #3767664 - 02/11/05 05:20 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Sinbad said:
Who knows what he means, but an experience of cosmic conciousness is just an experience. Not even the Dalai Lama claims to be enlightened.




that's why is so annoying trying to express myself to you all, there is no words for how i feel, i wish you could be here with me...someday I pray you will.


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"I traveled a long way seeking God, but when I finally gave up and turned back, there He was, within me! O Lalli! Now why do you wander like a beggar? Make some effort, and He will grant you a vision of Himself in the form of bliss in your heart." -the saint of the Kashmir Shaivism tradition: Lalli.

Edited by JCoke (02/11/05 07:12 PM)

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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3767680 - 02/11/05 05:24 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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I agree with any suggestion that he just tapped into a place, like being on a love light trip, but like the others said, as wonderful as they are, we don't stay in them for long. It's easy to think you will be when in them but we come back down.

At least when we come down, each time we take a bit with us and some day, the more we can tap in and hold onto that beautiful place for as long as we can, it will slowly manifest itself in the down place and the down comes up a bit..ascension through incension.

Like jell said, enjoy them while they lasts and bring down what you can with you and know it will come again.

What I find interesting is why moments, days and weeks of reaching that temporary state make people want to leave the board. They always come back when they come down. I wonder if its because when you are there, its such a being place and there isn't much to talk about.

When I am there, I like to share that energy with others and just infuse as much as I can with that good love light stuff. I still haven't figured out how to keep from crashing after the natural high.

Sinbad,
what does it have to do with being delusional? What is so delusional about moments of great clarity because light is everywhere and feeling tremendous amounts of universal love? I always thought that was the greater truer reality and this illusion where it barely exists is the delusion we live in.




maybe it's best i do just lay down on the sidewalk like the guy in the video, me thinks. :lol:


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"I traveled a long way seeking God, but when I finally gave up and turned back, there He was, within me! O Lalli! Now why do you wander like a beggar? Make some effort, and He will grant you a vision of Himself in the form of bliss in your heart." -the saint of the Kashmir Shaivism tradition: Lalli.

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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: InnerBeing]
    #3767683 - 02/11/05 05:25 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Last time I professed my enlightenment I was put in a mental hospital for two weeks.  No sane person would profess such a thing.




^^^good advice right there.

again, maybe i should just lay down like that guy in the video.  :grin: :thumbup:


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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: JCoke]
    #3767688 - 02/11/05 05:26 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

If you are indeed enlightened, then there is no need to convice others of this fact.

No testemony is required as your sole purpose for doing anything on this planet should be to benefit others, as an enlightened being you should at least embody that quality, otherwise your just playing another ego game.

Being insane can be mistaken for enlightenment, so be careful not to fall into this trap. If you are experiencing enlightenement then you have'nt attained it yet, as it is beyond the dualism of subject and object. Or so my teachers have taught me!

So far none of what you have said can hold any benefit, if you are indded enlightened, why not give us some teaching that might help in our struggles.


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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3767691 - 02/11/05 05:27 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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True. "Enlightenment" is NOT a Christian concept.




i am not christian in the sence you think what the word "christian" means.

i am christian if by christian you mean God in christ and christ in me.


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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: Clark]
    #3767697 - 02/11/05 05:29 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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I am free, that is the way the lord created me, i'm in faith, perfect holy faith, faith with the lord, yes! enlightment! i am at! only enlightment is not a holy enough word to decribe where i am at, but if you could find a word that means the same thing, i am there.



This entire post reads like a cheesy Christian attempt to hijack Buddhist lingo. Let it go. The days when Christianity had a tyrannical stranglehold on Western thought are gone, gone, gone, and they're never coming back. It's bad enough you bible beaters stole Easter's Spring festivities from the pagans. Quit dorking with things you don't understand.




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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #3767709 - 02/11/05 05:32 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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IMO, I dont think enlightenment can be expressed using the word "I" and "me" as many times as was used.




lol

maybe your right.

i guess enlightenment is not the right word.

find me a word that means what i am at, and that's it.


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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: Sinbad]
    #3767716 - 02/11/05 05:34 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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If you are indeed enlightened, then there is no need to convice others of this fact.

No testemony is required as your sole purpose for doing anything on this planet should be to benefit others, as an enlightened being you should at least embody that quality, otherwise your just playing another ego game.

Being insane can be mistaken for enlightenment, so be careful not to fall into this trap. If you are experiencing enlightenement then you have'nt attained it yet, as it is beyond the dualism of subject and object. Or so my teachers have taught me!

So far none of what you have said can hold any benefit, if you are indded enlightened, why not give us some teaching that might help in our struggles.




i'm not doing this to convince you.

as for as advice, faith is all you need, nothing more, nothing less.


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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: JCoke]
    #3767717 - 02/11/05 05:35 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: JCoke]
    #3768076 - 02/11/05 06:46 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think the guy in the Radiohead video was enlightened.

I think he was probably the opposite, if there's such a thing. he had no reason to do anything, not even kill himself. if he were 'enlightened', whatever the hell that means, he would do something, anything, everything.

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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3768212 - 02/11/05 07:09 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't think the guy in the Radiohead video was enlightened.

I think he was probably the opposite, if there's such a thing. he had no reason to do anything, not even kill himself. if he were 'enlightened', whatever the hell that means, he would do something, anything, everything.




was'nt he doing something by laying down?

oh well, you know what i meant when i refrenced the video, right? that's good enough.

but that's a good point, thanks for pointing that out, i am doing everything i could however, so everything's great.  :smirk: :thumbup:


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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3769014 - 02/11/05 10:07 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Well, it is of course, only the classic mystical literature calls it 'Illumination,' and the Bible refers to it by its moral aspect as 'sanctification.' Also:

"That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of Glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
The eyes of your understanding being enlightened..." -Ephesians 1:17-18

Hebrews 6:1-6 also mentions "those who were once enlightened." It is always about being enlightened - the difference is the Name of the Source.

"For thou wilt light my candle: the LORD my God will enlighten my darkness."
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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #3769038 - 02/11/05 10:14 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

en light en..

somehow, someway, something, that just sounds to me, bring light, to, in light, in, you..


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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #3769161 - 02/11/05 10:50 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I stand corrected, but my opinion on rather true enlightenment exists still stands. Anyone who would declare themselves enlightened has missed the point.

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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: Gomp]
    #3769236 - 02/11/05 11:10 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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en light en..

somehow, someway, something, that just sounds to me, bring light, to, in light, in, you..




Yes, and does it ever stop coming in? Every time you think a new thought, you bring in more light.

We can say we are in the process of enlightening ourselves to new things once "dark/unknown" to us every day but, is there a final place of having thought every thought there ever was, is and yet will be?

What happens when new thought ceases? The moment you become aware you are not thinking a new thought, you are thinking a new thought again in that awareness. In this light, enlightenment as a finality is the equivalent of being in the vegetible state and you wouldn't even know you were there.

I know the poster was looking for a word that better describes his feelings thoughts and experience. The closest I can come to finding more accurate wording for it is being in a state of epiphany.


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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3769250 - 02/11/05 11:14 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Agreed.

All I'll ever concede is that I am more enlightened than I used to be when I was young and dumb, lewd, crude and rude, and materialistic to boot. Even if I am more enlightened than the next guy, it's not for me to say, and it is just a moment-to-moment comparison anyway. As soon as one proclaims it, it ceases to be, and only ego remains.


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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #3769296 - 02/11/05 11:21 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

en light, en ment...


in light, in ment.


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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #3769309 - 02/11/05 11:24 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

"More enlightened" is a far cry from "I am enlightened", though.


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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3769479 - 02/11/05 11:59 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Full Enlightenment is different from Cessation or Nirvana. The latter come from the liberation from ego and all suffering. Full Enlightenment is a superior mind, with the power to understand, control and manifest all things, which is dedicated to the task of bringing happiness and liberation to all other beings.

The reason this is considered a higher Enlightenment is because the liberation does not happen on behalf of the self, but rather for others. In this way it avoids the subtle imprints of selfishness that Hinayanist, or solitary paths fail to completely destroy. Enlightenment on behalf of the individual self is somewhat of a contradiction in terms.


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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3770321 - 02/12/05 08:01 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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I know the poster was looking for a word that better describes his feelings thoughts and experience. The closest I can come to finding more accurate wording for it is being in a state of epiphany.




epiphany? i like it!  :thumbup:


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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: JCoke]
    #3770344 - 02/12/05 08:16 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

stop talking and you'll hear it :smile:

and like others have said, I don't think enlightenment is a place so much as a relative observation. It is gradient and infinite, although, in a sense, we are all already there as one being.

really doesn't matter though

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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #3770412 - 02/12/05 08:54 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Is enlightenment something that can be expressed?
or is it something that is gained?


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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: spidercid]
    #3770417 - 02/12/05 08:57 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Both and Neither.


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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: Sinbad]
    #3771316 - 02/12/05 03:08 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I keep wondering: is there a thing like gradual enlightenment or is there just some kind of bang and it all happens in no time ?
Well whatever, it?ll turn out different than I imagine anyhow.
But still I?m interested, what do you guys think ?

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Re: I did it...! i finally reach enlightenment!!! [Re: trinity7]
    #3771465 - 02/12/05 04:11 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

There are both gradual, and non-gradual approaches to the path of enlightenment.

But generally if one wakes up instantainiously, that realization does'nt last for long as one has to constantly train in that state to become familair anf stable with that realization.

The gradual path requires the accumilation of both merit and wisdom, through positive actions and meditation. Of course i am speaking purely within a buddhist context.


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