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Re: will any of us reach enlightenment? [Re: Icelander]
    #4864961 - 10/28/05 08:13 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

swami, why do you ignore all my questions?

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Re: will any of us reach enlightenment? [Re: Swami]
    #4865380 - 10/28/05 10:03 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)


Swami said:
though just spending time with one of them is generally enough to be proof positive

Really?!  :eek: Here is the crux of the matter that I was leading to. Can a blind man can determine who is sighted?

Manson, Jim Jones, Koresh and Rajneesh were ALL considered to be some form of enlightened master by devotees. Seems your litmus test of proximity and subjective 'feeling' is not borne out by history.

Self-deception abounds at every level especially when driven by strong desire.

Yes this is true. I personally believe in alot of the ancient and some modern teachings of the likes of Buddha, Lao-Tzu, Jesus of Nazareth, Abu Abdallah Al-Harith Al-Muhasibi, etc etc. Likewise, I'm sure the devotees of Manson and them all had faith in them. I simply choose to put my faith in them.

Everyone puts their faith in something, be it religion, science, mathematics, existentialism, or what have you; does that make everyone self-deluded? And if so, is there a way to break free of that self-delusion, and wouldn't that be enlightenment in the truest sense of the word?

"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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