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Being christian and doing shrooms
    #1400440 - 03/22/03 12:31 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Every one at my church doesn't like the idea of drugs..what they don't realize is that shrooms arnt drugs..they are completely natural..also in the bible there are many writings of mushrooms in symbolic form..such as manna..the church only does not like mushrooms because the damn government labeled them as a drug..and forbidded them for doing so..God said that all he created is good..and no doubt about that..how can one who believes in god deny his own creations?? So if your christian and feel bad or doubting shrooms..go right ahead because they are perfectly fin in every way :smirk: 


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: tastyshroom]
    #1400476 - 03/22/03 12:58 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Three Cheers and congrats for not being a sheep!  :grin: 


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: tastyshroom]
    #1400664 - 03/22/03 02:27 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

what they don't realize is that shrooms arnt drugs

What they do realize is that shrooms contain two powerful mind-altering drugs; psilocin and psilocybin. You do not ingest them for their fiber, ash, water and carbohydrate content, but for the tryptamines. At least be honest here.


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: Swami]
    #1400796 - 03/22/03 03:30 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

tru...i dont consider Marijuana or Shrooms drugs.....they are the only kind of "drug" i can take knowing that im not damaging my body. They are natural...unprosessed.


but then again....there are lots of shrooms that are natural that will kill your...and datura...whoa...my curiosity may get the best of me with datura one day :/


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: tastyshroom]
    #1400805 - 03/22/03 03:35 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

There are things that "God" created that will kill you if you eat them.


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: sirreal]
    #1400835 - 03/22/03 03:52 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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There are things that "God" created that will kill you if you eat them.


and there are things that god created for you to use them wisely as the great tool they are


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: In(di)go]
    #1401056 - 03/22/03 05:38 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

God never dies, but sometimes he thinks he can.


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: ViBrAnT]
    #1401156 - 03/22/03 06:26 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I like that


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: tastyshroom]
    #1401642 - 03/22/03 10:41 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)



from a catholic first communion robe:






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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: Viveka]
    #1402020 - 03/23/03 05:06 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I would like to know how all you people know so much about god :confused: 


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: pimpadelic]
    #1402122 - 03/23/03 06:14 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Because we are god. :grin:


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: Teragon]
    #1402290 - 03/23/03 07:13 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

bingo :grin:


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: recalcitrant]
    #1402361 - 03/23/03 07:41 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Sure, Just keep tellin yourself that :blush: 


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: pimpadelic]
    #1402873 - 03/23/03 11:08 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

what i meant by drugs..as in things created by man..that damage your body..


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: tastyshroom]
    #1402908 - 03/23/03 11:23 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Doing shrooms has further entrenched my Christian convictions.




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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: pimpadelic]
    #1403021 - 03/23/03 12:14 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Sure, Just keep tellin yourself that

Take 5 grams and you'll understand that you are God as well.  :wink:


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: Murex]
    #1403168 - 03/23/03 01:07 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Take 5 grams and you'll understand that you are God as well.

Uh, huh... what you experience on 5 grams of mushrooms is not the same as to what a Christian will experience on 5 grams of mushrooms. Religious people who trip don't come to the realization "We're all God! Man is God!", they come to realize that God is God, and that God is Love, and to know God, you have to transcend. As a Muslim I have tripped many times in the high doses and each experience is a reminder that what I have faith in is real.


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: Zahid]
    #1403605 - 03/23/03 03:52 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

The whole formulation, using the first person "I," is wrong. al-Hallaj was crucified (after hands and feet were amputated, for saying "I am the Truth.'' It came close to the saying attributed to Jesus ("I am the Way, and the Truth and the Life..."), which was as blasphemous to Jews, as Hallaj's statement was to Muslims. The classical Christian way of expressing the universall mystical perception of Union was expressed by St. Paul : "I live, yet not I; Christ liveth in me." This formulation posits the paradox of 'I' and 'not I,' plus, it differentiates linguistically the 'I' as ego and the Divine 'I AM,' which is substantially and ontologically 'other than' the human ego, but which can 'suffuse' the human ego (i.e., receiving the Holy Spirit [Consciousness] of God). The Sufis have their own version of this Divine process.

So, correct, 'we' are not God, and the proper formulation has an immediate effect both on ourselves and the hearers of such expressions. The Western mentality can not make the affirmation, "I am God," without ego inflation sneaking in. It is said with a certain bravado (especially at the Shroomery) and totally lacking in the humility which would render such an affirmation into an inaudible whisper, thereby bringing one's mind to the "Still, small voice within," that is closer to the Truth. A certain adolescent irreverence, combined with a misunderstanding of the essential difference between created being and Uncreated Being, and the confusion being further manifested linguistically, becomes an additional obstacle for further spiritual growth.



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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1403642 - 03/23/03 04:06 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Insightful as always, Markos. :wink: 


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: Zahid]
    #1403695 - 03/23/03 04:27 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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As a Muslim I have tripped many times in the high doses and each experience is a reminder that what I have faith in is real.



Doesn't the Koran explicitly forbid the use of mind-altering substances? Or is it just alcohol I'm thinking of?


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: silversoul7]
    #1403768 - 03/23/03 04:52 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Doesn't the Koran explicitly forbid the use of mind-altering substances? Or is it just alcohol I'm thinking of?

The Noble Qur'aan forbids wine. Most Muslim scholars will make the fatwa (legal verdict, opinion) that all mind altering substances are forbidden.


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: tastyshroom]
    #1404796 - 03/24/03 04:57 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

i am a christian and have a personal relationship w/ jesus.. i have prayed and asked for conviction if my use of his gifts to mankind are a sin.. i haven't had that conviction...

"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times, some shall ? speak lies in hypocrisy ? commanding to abstain from meats which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. (Paul: 1 Timothy 4:1-3)

i believe in the truth and will ignore people who speak lies in hypocrisy against what god created to be recieved with thanksgiving of them which believe.

a "mind-altering" substance is something that makes you think differently ..
T.V. is a "mind-altering" susbstance and so is music because it can change the way you think..

food is also a gift to mankind.. gluttony is a sin.. gluttony is excessive indulgence in food... too much of anything whether it is good or bad is a sin.

too much use of mushrooms or cannabis would be a sin.. so keep it in moderation


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: Vulture]
    #1404821 - 03/24/03 05:08 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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tru...i dont consider Marijuana or Shrooms drugs.....they are the only kind of "drug" i can take knowing that im not damaging my body. They are natural...unprosessed.




but then again....there are lots of shrooms that are natural that will kill your...and datura...whoa...my curiosity may get the best of me with datura one day :/




Actually mushrooms are very hard on the liver.
(Psychedelic Mushrooms that is)


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #1405034 - 03/24/03 07:15 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

i have prayed and asked for conviction if my use of his gifts to mankind are a sin.. i haven't had that conviction...

And others have prayed and received the opposite message. So much for the validity of using prayer as guidance or finding the truth.



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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: Swami]
    #1405049 - 03/24/03 07:23 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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[And others have prayed and received the opposite message. So much for the validity of using prayer as guidance or finding the truth.




Maybe God gives people different answers. Maybe God says no to those people who cannot handle the mushroom.

I believe in following your own conscience in these matters. I don't pray, I listen.


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: Swami]
    #1405072 - 03/24/03 07:31 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Swami what you said brings up an intersting point..

if god convicts you of something but not someone else.. you can't tell that other person that they are wrong because God convicts some people about different things for different reasons..

maybe those people that got convicted about using mushrooms because they had bad intentions for the drugs.. like getting "messed up" instead of using them for their true purposes.  :laugh: 


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: sirreal]
    #1405155 - 03/24/03 08:03 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Maybe God gives people different answers.

Maybe, but most likely not. Why would God tell some Christians it is OK to support prohibition and to disrupt a family and put a parent in jail for using an herb?


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: Swami]
    #1405175 - 03/24/03 08:12 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

God would never tell someone what is right for someone else. Not regarding personal experience anyway.

Prohibition takes away personal choice. I am not talking about that.


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: rommstein2001]
    #1405218 - 03/24/03 08:26 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

"Actually mushrooms are very hard on the liver.
(Psychedelic Mushrooms that is) "

Provide sources please.
I believe that you may be spreading misinformation.


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: Zahid]
    #1405244 - 03/24/03 08:35 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Just because you have faith in something does not make it so. There will always be someone who has faith in the exact opposite. Some have faith in the existance of god, and some have faith that god does not exist.

"But I know for sure because I can FEEL it, this information has been given to me by God himself."

There is someone who "feels" conflicting information. Just because your brain is telling you something, does not make it so.

Mushrooms do not make people believe one certain thing. They do not make people more open minded, or more peaceful. They do seem to reinforce beliefs that people already have. If a pacifist takes mushrooms, he might emerge believing that god himself has told him that pacifism is the way to go. Charles Manson ingested various psychedelic drugs and came to the conclusion that he needed to incite a race war.

Natural drugs are still drugs. Mushrooms, marijuana, datura, and dozens of other plants out there contain chemicals that ARE DRUGS. If you claim that they aren't, fine, but you cannot claim that you are using the english language.

Also, natural drugs are no less dangerous than those that are produced in a laboratory. Datura, morphine, cocaine, and dozens of other dangerous and lethal chemicals are naturally occuring. There are many very safe and non toxic drugs produced in labs.


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: sirreal]
    #1405250 - 03/24/03 08:37 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Apparently no one is "hearing" my point.

Person A: prays to God about an issue that will affect many people such as war and "gets the message" that the US war against Iraq is just.

Person B: prays to God about an issue that will affect many people such as war and "gets the message" that the US war against Iraq is not just.

Obviously then, prayer is ineffectual as a guidance tool. The answer that comes back seems to be the culturally predisposed one and NOT the divine one.


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: Swami]
    #1405356 - 03/24/03 09:23 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Apparently you are not getting the point!
We are talking about a personal decision to do mushrooms. That is what was prayed for. No one is talking about war.

If we were talking about something other than "personal decision" I would agree with you.


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: Swami]
    #1405381 - 03/24/03 09:29 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

ok .. say somebody is fat and god convicts them to lose weight..
someone who is skinny would not be convicted to lose weight...

if a recovering child molestor gets convicted to stay away from children..

some guy talks to the child molestor and the child molestor says .. you should stay away from children because god told me.

god makes convictions based on the persons actions.




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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: sirreal]
    #1405511 - 03/24/03 10:19 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Apparently you are not getting the point! We are talking about a personal decision to do mushrooms.
WARNING! READING COMPREHENSION ERROR IN PROGRESS!

I never mentioned mushroom usage, only the efficacy of using prayer as a tool to decide the "correctness" of ANY action.

If we were talking about something other than "personal decision" I would agree with you.
It is NOT a personal decision whether to support the war or not? I don't follow you here, bro. ALL decisions are personal.


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #1405519 - 03/24/03 10:22 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

i believe in the truth and will ignore people who speak lies

This quote can be used from either side of the fence and says absolutely nothing at all. Do you REALLY believe that prohibitionists (in general) see themselves as liars?


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: Swami]
    #1405535 - 03/24/03 10:28 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Wow!!! You are really trying to confuse the hell out of this issue.Aren't you?

Led said that he prayed about using "gods gifts" and god said it was allright.
You said that someone else might get a different answer so there is no guidance in prayer. I was suggesting that God gives people different answers on personal issues like these. You brought the war up in the middle of it.

When it comes to going to war, It should not be one man's personal decision. You can believe whatever you want to though.


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: sirreal]
    #1405547 - 03/24/03 10:31 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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I was suggesting that God gives people different answers on personal issues like these.




i agree 100%  :cool: 


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: Swami]
    #1405591 - 03/24/03 10:42 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Apparently you are not getting the point! We are talking about a personal decision to do mushrooms.
WARNING! READING COMPREHENSION ERROR IN PROGRESS!

I never mentioned mushroom usage, only the efficacy of using prayer as a tool to decide the "correctness" of ANY action.




The post you responded to was talking about an action, consuming mushrooms, that has nothing to do with anyone else. You showed incomprehension when you brought war into it! Mushrooms are the issue . not war.


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: sirreal]
    #1405602 - 03/24/03 10:46 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Wow!!! You are really trying to confuse the hell out of this issue.Aren't you?
Your mind-reading ability is lacking when it comes to my motivation. I stated my aim v-e-r-y clearly: to demonstrate that prayer does not beget divine guidance. I deliberately shifted from mushroom ingestion to a less ambiguous topic, not to muddy the water, but to show that divine guidance does not exist otherwise sincere people would get the same answer.


When it comes to going to war, It should not be one man's personal decision.
It is each man's personal decision to support or not support the war.

If the war is inherently just and a group of sincere Christians pray for DIRECT guidance from God and are given different answers, then the answers MUST be from the self and not from a divine source.


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: Swami]
    #1405643 - 03/24/03 11:01 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Your mind-reading ability is lacking when it comes to my motivation.
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I was not trying to read your mind.changing the subject from a personal decision to do mushrooms to a collective event like war , atleast to me, seems a little confusing.


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I stated my aim v-e-r-y clearly: to demonstrate that prayer does not beget divine guidance. I deliberately shifted from mushroom ingestion to a less ambiguous topic, not to muddy the water, but to show that divine guidance does not exist otherwise sincere people would get the same answer.




You have not really made a point. You claim that God, if there is one, does not offer personal guidance because everyone who was sincere would recieve the same answer to a question. That is not very considerate of you. There are alot of variables to consider. What is right for me may not be right for you. You can call it God or you can call it conscience, But whatever it is it gives different answers to different people.




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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: sirreal]
    #1405670 - 03/24/03 11:12 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

You claim that God, if there is one, could not offer personal guidance because everyone who was sincere would recieve the same answer to a question. That is not very considerate of you.

Considerate? It is a matter of logic not sensitivity.

Is there or is there not a different set of Ten Commandments for each Jew & Christian? If there is only ONE set of Ten Commandments, then that means there are in fact UNIVERSAL, and not personal, spiritual laws and guidelines. If each of us could tap into divine guidance on moral issues then why would you believe the answer to be different?

This whole issue that you argue for is why there are thousands of Christian sects as each is "right" in their own mind. Do you believe that murder is OK for one Christian and not another?





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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: Swami]
    #1405693 - 03/24/03 11:17 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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[This whole issue that you argue for is why there are thousands of Christian sects as each is "right" in their own mind. Do you believe that murder is OK for one Christian and not another?





You do have a reading comprehension disability. Murder is not a personal choice that does not affect another person. Eating mushrooms is. It seems as though you just want to argue about this.


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: Swami]
    #1405711 - 03/24/03 11:24 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I understand now. You are the luvdemshrooms of the spiritual and philosophy forum.  :smirk:

The universal laws apply to how we deal with each other. Guidance for our lives is a personal matter. And yes, To each his own. But not when it comes to murder.




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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: sirreal]
    #1405720 - 03/24/03 11:28 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

You do have a reading comprehension disability.
Not at all. I have done editing, technical writing, been published, and have a minor degree in English.

Murder is not a personal choice that does not affect another person.
Agreed, never said otherwise.

Eating mushrooms is.
Agreed, never said otherwise.

It seems as though you just want to argue about this.
This IS a debating board, why would we possibly want to debate here?

Go back one more time and read what was written. Just give it a try.


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: Swami]
    #1405733 - 03/24/03 11:31 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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[ If each of us could tap into divine guidance on moral issues then why would you believe the answer to be different?




Because WE are different. If you are an addictive person then it might be wrong for you to drink alcohol. But you cannot say it is wrong for all people. Can you?


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: sirreal]
    #1405764 - 03/24/03 11:47 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I understand now. You are the luvdemshrooms of the spiritual and philosophy forum.
A smiley face does not make an ad hominem more acceptable. This type of statement occurs when one cannot back up their point of view.

The universal laws apply to how we deal with each other.
Agreed. Now really, really, really try to answer just THIS question (and without using the word mushroom). Don't go back to any other post or you may get confused. Now this is only the 3rd or 4th time that I have asked this same question:

If prayer begets divine guidance on an issue pertaining to how we deal with each other, then how can different Christians get different answers? (Remember that universal means ONE. )






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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: Swami]
    #1405823 - 03/24/03 12:11 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

This is interesting swami, but I had the day off of work so I ate some shrooms and am tripping pretty hard. I will start a thread on the subject later and we can "argue" about it then.

I am in no shape right now. :grin:


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: Swami]
    #1405860 - 03/24/03 12:26 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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s there or is there not a different set of Ten Commandments for each Jew & Christian? If there is only ONE set of Ten Commandments, then that means there are in fact UNIVERSAL, and not personal, spiritual laws and guidelines. If each of us could tap into divine guidance on moral issues then why would you believe the answer to be different?




Every person struggles with something in their life which religious people sometimes refer to sins. I am talking about the things that rub you wrong morally. While one person can handel mushrooms and have an enlightening experience another might abuse them for their ability to make them happy. If that person who uses them only for pleasing the senses thinks they have a problem and recognizes that they are abusing them and makes a conscious effort to change their way's and sticks to it have practiced repentance and they are a stronger person for overcoming a problem. Mean while the other person continually uses them and also gains as a person because his perspective is not that of abuse but enlightenment. When you talk about the 10 commandments they are a universal set of guidelines to have a less stressful life Imo, but each person can interpret them how they wish. While one person might not have a problem with theft, they have a problem with respecting their parents or vice versa for example.

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This whole issue that you argue for is why there are thousands of Christian sects as each is "right" in their own mind. Do you believe that murder is OK for one Christian and not another?



Murder is never right, I think that may be a bad example to clarify your opinion. Each Christian sect is "right" as you put it because they have a clear understanding of what they think, just like you have a clear understanding of your opinion yet you are having a hard time getting your point across to some people.


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: FlusH]
    #1405893 - 03/24/03 12:39 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

but each person can interpret them how they wish.
Of course they can, so how does that counter my statement about using prayer for divine guidance? People who do not pray also each have differing opinions.

Murder is never right, I think that may be a bad example to clarify your opinion.
Why is that?

Each Christian sect is "right" as you put it because they have a clear understanding of what they think,
Yes, they have a clear understanding of what they think, but not what God thinks - hence there is no divine guidance.

just like you have a clear understanding of your opinion yet you are having a hard time getting your point across to some people.
And just what is my opinion? I have asked clear, pointed questions that keep getting dodged or misread.

If you and I go to an "ultimate" sourcebook on mathematics on a specific question, we would come back with the same answer.

When we go to the ultimate sourcebook (divine guidance through prayer) on moral issues such as war; each person comes back with their own opinion, usually inline with their fellow countrymen. Now how can this be a case for the veracity of divine guidance?

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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: silversoul7]
    #1405930 - 03/24/03 12:56 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

But ..didn't they have to come from some where?..i have a hard time believing that all things just appeared out of nowhere, especially mushrooms or thigns with psychadelic powers..and if we were god's..we could do much more than we do...
No matter what religion i think we all know there is a greater force behind the shroom...agree??


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: Swami]
    #1405972 - 03/24/03 01:10 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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but each person can interpret them how they wish.
Of course they can, so how does that counter my statement about using prayer for divine guidance? People who do not pray also each have differing opinions.




This is what I was responding to:
"Is there or is there not a different set of Ten Commandments for each Jew & Christian? If there is only ONE set of Ten Commandments, then that means there are in fact UNIVERSAL, and not personal, spiritual laws and guidelines. If each of us could tap into divine guidance on moral issues then why would you believe the answer to be different?" 


Each "rule" can be interpreted for each individuals situation.  Simple as that, believe it or not.

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Murder is never right, I think that may be a bad example to clarify your opinion.
Why is that? 



I am not trying to dispute if murder is right or wrong, I am saying that it is a bad example to clarify your point.  If you agree with murder, good for you.

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Each Christian sect is "right" as you put it because they have a clear understanding of what they think,
Yes, they have a clear understanding of what they think, but not what God thinks - hence there is no divine guidance.



They feel they are recieving divine guidance.  Just because you cannot understand another perspective means they are wrong, nor you right.  Because when you read the bible you might not feel enlightened does not mean someone else does.

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just like you have a clear understanding of your opinion yet you are having a hard time getting your point across to some people.
And just what is my opinion? I have asked clear, pointed questions that keep getting dodged or misread.

If you and I go to an "ultimate" sourcebook on mathematics on a specific question, we would come back with the same answer.



I think what you want to hear is someone to agree with you that logically there is no god.  Every person on this earth has the same level of knowledge of religion no matter how educated or what religion in specific they choose to follow.  Some people have divine moments, or enlightening moments because of how they have studied their beliefs.  But ultimatly nobody know's what god is thinking, doing, or if he even exsists.  I think your point is that scientificly there is no evidence for a higher being and you are trying to put that point across by asking questions.  Being aloof.  It is your personal drama that is getting in the way of you understanding everybody else's perspective here on this thread.   

PS.  I think it would be a good idea to re-read all post's before responding.  You seem to have a bad habit of selectivly choosing your arguments and twisting the point other peoples posts.  You would be a fine employee on Bush's administration  :wink:

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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: tastyshroom]
    #1405994 - 03/24/03 01:19 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

~Christianity has a built-in defense system: anything that questions a belief, no matter how logical the argument is, is the work of Satan by the very fact that it makes you question a belief. It's a very interesting defense mechanism and the only way to get by it -- and believe me, I was raised Southern Baptist -- is to take massive amounts of mushrooms, sit in a field, and just go, "Show me."~ -Bill Hicks


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: BlueLemming]
    #1406027 - 03/24/03 01:35 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

" ~Christianity has a built-in defense system: anything that questions a belief, no matter how logical the argument is, is the work of Satan by the very fact that it makes you question a belief. It's a very interesting defense mechanism and the only way to get by it -- and believe me, I was raised Southern Baptist -- is to take massive amounts of mushrooms, sit in a field, and just go, "Show me."~ -Bill Hicks "

This is incredibly true! I have been born and raised Mennonite, and I could tell countless stories about how I am going to hell just because I voice my opinion. While making the last reply to Swami I was also talking to my mother, she thinks I am to overbearing as a person because I talk too fast and tell people what I think if I am questioned. I asked her if she feels insulted by my actions and all I got was a quiet "yes, I think satan is using you, god is not with you.". I love my mother but it is hard to view christianity in a positive light when you gotta put up with shit like this( I don't mean my mother is shitty, just that christianity can be used as a mean's to controll mass population using the ole Satan scare techniqe)


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: sirreal]
    #1406071 - 03/24/03 01:56 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

haha im gald i set up this post...obviously there is alot of cronteversy on this issue...i believe exactly what ledzpln is trying to say..different answers go to different opinions..and also when some one is praying about an issue such as war..often when the answer comes it is because of their own opinions and usually mistake god's voice as theirs..i think


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: Phluck]
    #1406093 - 03/24/03 02:02 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Just because you have faith in something does not make it so. There will always be someone who has faith in the exact opposite. Some have faith in the existance of god, and some have faith that god does not exist.

Why do you feel this assertion is correct? For those who have faith God exists, there is inward, unmanifested, unseen world that certain individuals can awaken to because God is a reality. It seems psychedelics can easily reveal this nature of knowing to the person of faith.

"But I know for sure because I can FEEL it, this information has been given to me by God himself."

Feeling God is dhikr, the remembrance of God, something very different than al-Ghayb (awareness of unseen).

Mushrooms do not make people believe one certain thing.

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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: tastyshroom]
    #1406101 - 03/24/03 02:04 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

If you "hear voices" Dr.'s reccomend medication, and not the psychedelic type. But if you "hear God's voice" then you are just a part of the church. I don't get it.  :confused:


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: Swami]
    #1406156 - 03/24/03 02:24 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Swami -- since no one else will answer your question, I will give you my opinion on it.

"If prayer begets divine guidance on an issue pertaining to how we deal with each other, then how can different Christians get different answers?"

I think that the response that each person gets from 'God' in their prayers is formulated in their own mind. By praying and asking for guidance from their God, who may or may not exist, they are simply going as deeply into their mind as possible and fetching out the answer that they believe to be as pure and uncorrupted as possible, or in other words, what they personally believe to be the truth, with as little sway as possible from whatever distractions they may have influencing this decision. Some are probably better than others at blocking out these things, and I find it hard to believe that anyone could make their mind absolutely free of prejudice.
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    #1406445 - 03/24/03 04:09 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I was wrong. Oops.


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: FlusH]
    #1406446 - 03/24/03 04:09 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Round and round the mulberry bush we go with nary an answer...

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but each person can interpret them how they wish.

Of course they can, so how does that counter my statement about using prayer for divine guidance? People who do not pray also each have differing opinions.

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Each "rule" can be interpreted for each individuals situation. Simple as that, believe it or not.

We just said this as above. Repitition does not equal clarity. How do different interpretations point to divine guidance?

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Murder is never right, I think that may be a bad example to clarify your opinion.

Why is that?

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I am not trying to dispute if murder is right or wrong, I am saying that it is a bad example to clarify your point.
*Sigh* Is this an echo chamber? I will go s-l-o-w-y here: WHY IS IT A BAD EXAMPLE?

If you agree with murder, good for you.
Huh? Where do you get this?

They feel they are recieving divine guidance.
Of course they do, so what?

Just because you cannot understand another perspective means they are wrong, nor you right.
Wow! Are you reading someone else's posts? I made NO judgement on any stance.

Because when you read the bible you might not feel enlightened does not mean someone else does.
Another great non-sequitar.

I think what you want to hear is ...
*Double-sigh* Please stick to your opinion instead of playing junior psychoanalyst. This is another atrocious form of debate.

It is your personal drama ...
More of the same.

You would be a fine employee on Bush's administration
And capped off by the ill-fitting ad hominem (and a smiley - how cute!) but still with no answer in sight.






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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: Swami]
    #1406460 - 03/24/03 04:14 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

"I think what you want to hear is ...
*Double-sigh* Please stick to your opinion instead of playing junior psychoanalyst. This is another atrocious form of debate.

It is your personal drama ...
More of the same.

You would be a fine employee on Bush's administration
And capped off by the ill-fitting ad hominem (and a smiley - how cute!) but still with no answer in sight."

And yes, I still moderate this forum. :smile:

Both of you need to be a little less personal in your responses.  I am not singling you or him out.  This was just the first response I read.

Stay on topic and let the personal barbs go.

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    #1406470 - 03/24/03 04:17 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Thank you dawn for making a direct reply. It is so amazingly refreshing and I find your explanation to be a very good analysis; though I am really hoping to hear from someone who is SURE that it is divine guidance to explain how they know.


please feel free to pick it apart as you like.

For the record, I do not pick apart posts to be a dick, contrary to some people's opinion, but to get people to clarify their stance. If it makes sense there should be a high degree of internal consistency. If there is not, then I will indeed rip it to shreds.


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: Zahid]
    #1406726 - 03/24/03 06:32 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

"Why do you feel this assertion is correct? For those who have faith God exists, there is inward, unmanifested, unseen world that certain individuals can awaken to because God is a reality. It seems psychedelics can easily reveal this nature of knowing to the person of faith."

Prove to me that this "unseen world" is a result of the exitance of god, and not of the belief in god. You can't. If someone believes in god, their worldview will be drastically different from that of someone who does not. This is not evidence that god exists.

"Feeling God is dhikr, the remembrance of God, something very different than al-Ghayb (awareness of unseen)."

Okay, there's a name for it. That's not evidence.

"Mushrooms do not make people believe one certain thing.

I thought this was common knowledge."

I wish it was. I can't count how many times I've heard "I can't believe that someone who's eaten mushrooms can be so closed minded".


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: Swami]
    #1407488 - 03/25/03 04:54 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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I understand now. You are the luvdemshrooms of the spiritual and philosophy forum. 
A smiley face does not make an ad hominem more acceptable. This type of statement occurs when one cannot back up their point of view.





It was a smirk, not a smiley face :smirk:


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really, really, really try to answer just THIS question (and without using the word mushroom). Don't go back to any other post or you may get confused. Now this is only the 3rd or 4th time that I have asked this same question:

If prayer begets divine guidance on an issue pertaining to how we deal with each other, then how can different Christians get different answers? (Remember that universal means ONE. )




This thread was talking about using prayer for personal guidance. But I will answer your question anyway. Logically, if we treat others as we want to be treated, we all would be doing the right thing. God or no God. This may not be logical enough for you, But it seems perfectly logical to me.

MUSHROOMS, MUSHROOMS, MUSHROOMS, MUSHROOMS,MUSHROOMS!!!!




   


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: sirreal]
    #1407489 - 03/25/03 04:57 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" is the universal law.


One more thing. I am not trying to be a smartass, but I think you use to many rules in your thinking. I try to be a little more open minded than that.


And btw, I think accusing people of comprehension problems is a poor debating tactic. You don't need to be such a smartass, it puts people on the defensive. Unless that is your tactic, to get them flustered. In which case it is cheap and beneath you.


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: Swami]
    #1407599 - 03/25/03 05:53 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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PS. I think it would be a good idea to re-read all post's before responding. You seem to have a bad habit of selectively choosing your arguments and twisting the point other peoples posts. You would be a fine employee on Bush's administration




I was really enjoying that debate, even though we were ( at least I ) getting emotionally involved because I was enjoying myself. I did not mean to insult you with this quote, but within my group of friends there are no such things as low blow's, just three pointer's. In other words, when I start making fun, it mean's I like ya.

Basically the point I was trying to get across is that every person has a different understanding of life because of their surroundings / upbringing. To quote Pink Floyd " All that you touch, all that you see, is all that your live will ever be" I think this is a relevant quote to the topic because how you experience though out your life will determine your personal drama. What I mean by drama is your moral code, how you represent yourself, the games a person play's for energy struggle (this usually happens subconsciously ) and when this has been defined usually determines your religious beliefs as well. So hypothetically if person "A" grow's up in a typical catholic church environment, they will have specified thoughts about all drugs and the way to justify their thoughts would be to pray for affirmation. Does this person receive acual input from God or is it just them talking to themselves? That is what nobody on this earth is 100% sure of, all we have as humans is a good idea. But if that person truly believes they are communicating with god, they will have a enlightening experience because it is what they are looking for. If person "B" was born into a Shamanism environment then obviously their views on using mind altering substances is a part of religious excessive. While the catholics may not agree and think the shamans are wrong does not necessarily mean so. I hope I have clarified my previous post's,


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: sirreal]
    #1407620 - 03/25/03 06:04 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

"One more thing. I am not trying to be a smartass, but I think you use to many rules in your thinking. I try to be a little more open minded than that."

The rules he uses are called logic. I would not call violations of logic "open minded".


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: Phluck]
    #1407658 - 03/25/03 06:26 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I admit I do not have a degree in logic.Although I do know what the word means I am not an expert . Doesn't science defy logic sometimes? The theory of relativity for example. Aren't there aspects to this theory that contradict logic?

I read about this logical analysis one time: If you try to reach a destination by dividing the distance you travel at each step in half you cannot ,logically, ever reach your destination. Dosen't logic sometimes create a paradox?



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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: sirreal]
    #1407785 - 03/25/03 07:25 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

"I believe in following your own conscience in these matters. I don't pray, I listen."

The hardest part of moral growth is deciding whether or not certain ideals are universally perfect. Cultural differences, upbringing, genetics, personal experience, etc. all affect how we apply the morals we adopt, and how whether or not those morals are the same as any number of people around you. Instead of looking for "rules", I look for the truths that fit with my own unique situation. Every person is infinitely different from every other person, and yet so many people still desire to find a set of morals and rules that apply to everyone.

I'm not even 20 yet, so I suppose that many of these things will become clear with time and diligent thought and meditation. But like sirreal said, I feel its best to 'listen' to your world, because truth resounds in anything and everything, waiting for the adept to find it. Peace.


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: sirreal]
    #1408803 - 03/25/03 01:45 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

"The theory of relativity for example. Aren't there aspects to this theory that contradict logic?"

No, the very reason that the theory is respected is because it was devised using valid logic. If it had not, it would have faded into history like thousands of other crackpot theories. Mathematics are just logic.

"If you try to reach a destination by dividing the distance you travel at each step in half you cannot ,logically, ever reach your destination."

There is nothing illogical about that. There's no number other than 0 that can be divided by 2 so that it equals zero.

0 x 2 = 0 is perfectly logical.


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: Phluck]
    #1408977 - 03/25/03 02:59 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Like I said, I am not real clear on the nature of logic as it has been defined by philosophers. I have a book I dug out of an old box of books called "A modern introduction to logic" by susan stebbing that I am going to start reading tonight.Any other good books I might want to read?

This may sound like a stupid question, but can a paradox be logical?


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: sirreal]
    #1409178 - 03/25/03 04:28 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Logic is a powerful tool, but there are other tools used in understanding our reality. Peace.


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: sirreal]
    #1409226 - 03/25/03 04:56 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I'm pretty sure a paradox can be logical... I guess it could go either way.


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: Phluck]
    #1409587 - 03/25/03 07:12 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: Dogomush]
    #1409701 - 03/25/03 07:58 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Whatever.


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: Phluck]
    #1433941 - 04/06/03 08:05 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

<<"Actually mushrooms are very hard on the liver.
(Psychedelic Mushrooms that is) "

Provide sources please.
I believe that you may be spreading misinformation. >>

1) Eat them up yum. Even if God was not that happy about it, it is way way down on the list of minor and totally pardonable sins
2) I'm going to feel real dumb as a doctor telling people "yum" if there is any proof that they are any more than a minor temporary gastric irritant - to my knowledge there isn't any clinical info that says they are harmful, and there is clinical data that shows healing properties. So if you do have real data please contribute that for our good -



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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: curenado]
    #1433977 - 04/06/03 08:33 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Your answer will tell if you are truly interested in facts that contradict what you already know.

Fatal Poisoning After a Group of People Voluntarily Consumed Hallucinogenic Mushrooms

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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: sirreal]
    #1434621 - 04/06/03 11:53 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Prayer is people asking themselves a question, because God is within.
Of course they answer their own question, and it is based on their opinion of God and what he/she is. If they know what their God wants of them, then they know what is wrong and right and can give themselves guidance without doubt.


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: FlusH]
    #1434655 - 04/07/03 12:03 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Murder is never right, I think that may be a bad example to clarify your opinion.
Why is that?
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I am not trying to dispute if murder is right or wrong, I am saying that it is a bad example to clarify your point. If you agree with murder, good for you.
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I think he used murder because it is seen as a bad thing by many people, justl as drug use is. Both are considered illicit and he is bringing out people's views on things as based on personal rather than universal determination. (Why people have different views about the same thing.)


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: DrubuShrume]
    #1434660 - 04/07/03 12:04 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

<<...failed because of an unidentified chemical interfering with psilocin.>>

<<Nothing found in the literature could help us interpreting these results.>>

<< Furthermore, the blood used was drawn 36 hours after the death, thus, the results can not be applied to the living. However, this proved that psilocybin containing mushrooms were ingested. >>

You mean this totally inconclusive thing that in your complete medical ignorance you have interpreted and chosen to advise others on? Go to med school buddy! That article said a lot of things but not at all what you said.....and don't be so snotty with me either, you're the one half-cocked and sassy here - I did go get the facts and I can read them.


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: curenado]
    #1434726 - 04/07/03 12:18 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I do believe in health consciousness especially for the psychonaut, and I think the liver discussion is going off topic and probably ought to be held on another forum. I probably should have ignored it, but I too am sensitive to harmful propaganda or slanted news. While this article did give the facts, I do think it ws a little misleading in the presentation and designed to be a shroom slam more than anything. The facts did not support the slam by the end of the article. That's my personal and professional opinion.


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    #1434816 - 04/07/03 12:48 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

you fail.


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    #1434923 - 04/07/03 01:24 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

<<you fail.>>
Aw - I did my homework!  :grin: 


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: curenado]
    #1449243 - 04/11/03 11:34 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

But you're right about one thing - the article did tell us that if you are an alcoholic it's probably not a good idea to spend a day consuming more than 50 fresh semilanceatea - yes virginina, any person that sick who no one cares about enough to try and intervene for can OD to death if they try hard enough and are sick enough to begin with....that's common sense....but in the end there's not any real medical substantiation for saying anything more than that. The syndrome the pathologist is talking about is real - I belong to a group of physicians and do thank you for the link as now perhaps someone will make a plain talk report that is less hysterically gratifying and tke another chunk out of the PDFA. Did you know that when contacted the PDFA responded "We don't care if it's true or not - this is a war."    ??? any questions? :smile:
People read the enquirer and become concerned about how we're going to help the martian babies being born in our shelters - doesn't mean there are martian babies to worry about, or that their numbers have gotten out of hand.
Please do be careful with your body though - and somebody write in and get that poor guy a Darwin Award.
(To get a Darwin, you have to have been dumb enough to take your own self out of the gene pool by a sheer act of human stupidity - viewed as natural selection, i.e. too stupid to live. They publish the stories in a book series....) :smile:


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: curenado]
    #1449252 - 04/11/03 11:38 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

The May issue of TEO (International Journal of Psychoactive Mushrooms) will have an article from the St. John's research and another one about psilocybes in physical medicine if that kind o thing really interests you...... :cool:


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: curenado]
    #1449469 - 04/11/03 01:21 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Perhaps people get different responces from God because they are to serve different purposes. Perhaps by supporting the war, some prayerful Christian will affect someone or something in a positive or appointed way. Perhaps by protesting the war, some other prayerful Christian will affect someone or something in a positive or appointed way.

Either way, all things serve one purpose, to bring about the will of God. We are pretty much all willing to admit that God would incompass both sides of the coin, good and evil, since all things stem from God. Would it then be impossible for God (that should send up a red flag) to communicate different messages to different people to serve different purposes?

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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: JssMthrFcknChrst]
    #1449518 - 04/11/03 01:41 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Agreed. I think it's covered under the "..weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty..." passage. :smile:
I wanted to clarify my post - I realize now I should not have abbreviated. I meant to say the Partnership for a Drug Free America (PDFA) in reference to the hysteria articles put out in the war on drugs. I'm sorry for any confusion.
It may or may not be the "days of the Lord", but I could sure see why people might wonder if it isn't.........


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: curenado]
    #1457263 - 04/14/03 04:23 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

On the topic....I was getting supplies down today and happened to see that familiar little "kaph" on the peroxide label - Kosher - even the peroxide is kosher! What more brother, could you want?  :smile: :smile: :smile:


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: curenado]
    #2056828 - 10/30/03 12:42 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

If you are intrigued by a Christian Church that utilises natural medicines (psilocybes included..) check www.wildernessnazarene.com
They have a medical school too.


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: tastyshroom]
    #2062793 - 11/01/03 03:40 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

You don't need to justify mushrooms with the bible, man. There's no evidence that manna was psilocybe fungi. My family is catholic. I was strongly religious, on and off my whole life. I finally rejected it completely this year. Religion, christianity at least, was built by people, and was maintained by a largely corrupt English church for a very long time. We cannot know how much it has been twisted over this time; glamourized in order to be more popular. Also, the Bible was translated through SO many languages, it'd be incredible if it even has any real chunk of its true original meaning. I just don't trust people, especially centuries of our ancestors who lived in very corrupt times, enough to base my code of beliefs and conduct on theirs. I've rejected religion, until I feel I should do otherwise. And if there is a god of any form, I am confident that god would be behind me 100% on my decision, and would help me to find some sort of truth about what we are actually here for, if there is a purpose at all.

I think you need to go with YOUR observations, not simply the traditional ways of religion. One of the many beautiful things about our kind is our ability to learn, and keep knowledge growing through our generations. Religion quashes this continuation of learning, by asserting that it knows everything. Just think about this. The Christian church traditionally thought the earth was the center of the universe, and that things on earth travelled in straight lines and things in heaven went in circles. OUR church, had Galileo jailed for stating the truth. Our church still asserts a lot of things today. Think about it, it's the same world, the same religion. There can be so much more that is untrue. The church puts such a guilt trip on people who abandon faith, but it is just that- a guilt trip, a technique to keep followers. I hope you consider what I've tried to say. Peace man.


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: RedNucleus]
    #2062829 - 11/01/03 04:08 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I think you're all fighting for nothing. Show me proof that god answers prayers, and I'll show you aliens in UFO's. Both have never been proved, yet people believe one, the other, or neither, based off their personal world-view. Show me a god who answers your questions, and I'll show you a human who's willing to accept god. Until we have some sort of 5-sensual response from the big guy upstairs, I don't feel he should be considered a reliable source of what's right and what's not.


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: nubious]
    #2063763 - 11/01/03 10:55 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Read the thread and try again.


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Re: Being christian and doing shrooms [Re: RedNucleus]
    #2063880 - 11/01/03 11:56 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I support religion.

So now you do.  I just feel no need to get involved with a thread where so many "open minded" people feel the need to bash others.

It always proves to me, just how open minded they are.

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