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Offlinehot48yearolds
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Why are Christians on the Shroomery?
    #6730947 - 03/31/07 09:17 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I know this a free forum and anyone is welcome here,

But why the hell do you Fundamentalist Christians post here, what do you get out of a drug forum when drugs are prohibited by your religion?

Why don't you guys go hang out in a Christian forum?


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Edited by hot48yearolds (03/31/07 10:19 AM)


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Re: Why are Christians on the Shroomery? [Re: hot48yearolds]
    #6730958 - 03/31/07 09:25 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Im thinking this has something to do with evangelising. I never encountered this agressive practice before, and I can say I see why the poorer nations of the world are so frustrated about it.

Perhaps rational discourse is not the proper way to approach it, but a display of sheer irrational hatered? It doesnt have to be meant seriously, you can secretly still wish them the very best, but perhaps this plays into this tactic less, for it omits the possibility of any further dialogue?


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Re: Why are Christians on the Shroomery? [Re: hot48yearolds]
    #6730966 - 03/31/07 09:30 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Because, like myself...and everyone else here...they are so far out there that they have just reached that point.


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Re: Why are Christians on the Shroomery? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #6730971 - 03/31/07 09:33 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

but there is a distinct difference between people of christian belief who here speak their mind of their experiences and opinions, among other things about their beliefs, and those few that seem to discuss only in the 'repent!' preaching style...


Edited by aryah (03/31/07 09:34 AM)


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Re: Why are Christians on the Shroomery? [Re: hot48yearolds]
    #6730982 - 03/31/07 09:40 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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hot48yearolds said:
I know this a free forum and anyone is welcome here,

But why the hell do you Christians post here, what do you get out of a drug forum when drugs are prohibited by your religion?

Why don't you guys go hang out in a Christian forum?




You realize that you're doing the same thing that they do and it bothers you.
They're here because that's where they chose to post.
And they have the freedom to make these posts as well as those who feel bothered by this fact are free to ignore them.
Sometimes it can be a little awkward because it's very close to one going to a concert and keeps telling everybody how he hates music, but that's all that is...
As long as you have the power of choice, you can always ignore them.


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Re: Why are Christians on the Shroomery? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #6730983 - 03/31/07 09:40 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

5 buddhist precepts:
1. Do not kill
2. Do not steal
3. Do not indulge in sexual misconduct
4. Do not make false speech
5. Do not take intoxicants

Many religions forbid drugs to some degree. I bet you wouldnt think it out of place for a buddhist to be here. Not all christians are closed minded.


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Re: Why are Christians on the Shroomery? [Re: aryah]
    #6730984 - 03/31/07 09:41 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I am judgmental about them often because I find this type of pushy evangelizing to be repugnant to me aesthetically, but they have the same rights to be here as anybody.


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Re: Why are Christians on the Shroomery? [Re: Sir_Jeans]
    #6730988 - 03/31/07 09:43 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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Sir_Jeans said:
5 buddhist precepts:
1. Do not kill
2. Do not steal
3. Do not indulge in sexual misconduct
4. Do not make false speech
5. Do not take intoxicants

Many religions forbid drugs to some degree. I bet you wouldnt think it out of place for a buddhist to be here. Not all christians are closed minded.




Well yes but a Buddhist never applies the same method as the Christians... big difference.


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Re: Why are Christians on the Shroomery? [Re: Sir_Jeans]
    #6730991 - 03/31/07 09:45 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Sir_Jeans said:
5 buddhist precepts:
1. Do not kill
2. Do not steal
3. Do not indulge in sexual misconduct
4. Do not make false speech
5. Do not take intoxicants

Many religions forbid drugs to some degree. I bet you wouldnt think it out of place for a buddhist to be here. Not all christians are closed minded.



theres a strong historical connection bw western buddhism and drug use, I think tricycle wrote of this, so it may not be congruent, but its not suprising.

But I agree with your point.


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Re: Why are Christians on the Shroomery? [Re: aryah]
    #6730997 - 03/31/07 09:50 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

posting on a forum is not a right, for its a private construct. its a privilege. if I misbehave on some manner (like spamming or trolling), Im sure I could get banned, warned etc.
I guess Im just not used to this sort of thing, and find it very annoying...


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Re: Why are Christians on the Shroomery? [Re: aryah]
    #6731007 - 03/31/07 09:58 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Banned for what?
For telling their opinions?
Because that's what they do.
What you suggest is exactly what Christianity did with heretics. And by applying this shit over again our mentality will never change.
It comes to accepting the fact that people are different. And they have the right to live as much as we do, even if we disagree with them.


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Re: Why are Christians on the Shroomery? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #6731016 - 03/31/07 10:04 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I was more contemplating than suggesting, I dont take the idea very serious also, but in any case its no place of mine to think it. Various interent places are moderated to a different lvls of strictness, i guess , and I should accept the customs that rule here..

It certainly nothing like what christians did with heretics, for one i dont think anyone should be tortured and killed, and furthermore I have nothing against them publishing their own stuff and having their sites etc. Again this is not a public medium..

And I dont know if its a simple matter of speaking ones mind, thats my dilemma, it seems more like a mission, you know like when spam-in-person knocks on your doors to preach..


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Re: Why are Christians on the Shroomery? [Re: aryah]
    #6731021 - 03/31/07 10:06 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

They are on a mission and I agree with you that it's a very absurd one.
But I also feel that banning them is not the right attitude.


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Re: Why are Christians on the Shroomery? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #6731034 - 03/31/07 10:16 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I don't have any problems with them posting here, none at all.

I was just asking a direct question as to what they get out of posting here.

And as to the Buddhist precepts, Buddhists that practice with an enormous amount of discipline to follow all the precepts without flaw do not go around chatting in online forums, IMO.

Christians that say the Lord Jesus Christ is speaking through them for some reason have to go onto forums and save people online instead of doing any real good in the world.


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Re: Why are Christians on the Shroomery? [Re: hot48yearolds]
    #6731061 - 03/31/07 10:29 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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hot48yearolds said:
And as to the Buddhist precepts, Buddhists that practice with an enormous amount of discipline to follow all the precepts without flaw do not go around chatting in online forums, IMO.



I know of a few that do, even monks and lamas. on different forums though.

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I was just asking a direct question as to what they get out of posting here.



I asked this directly some posters, never got a reply, yet. Im thinking thats not accedental.


Edited by aryah (03/31/07 10:36 AM)


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Re: Why are Christians on the Shroomery? [Re: hot48yearolds]
    #6731126 - 03/31/07 11:08 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

There are Christians on the Shroomery?! :shiftyeyes:  :paranoid:  :ashamed:


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Re: Why are Christians on the Shroomery? [Re: hot48yearolds]
    #6731128 - 03/31/07 11:10 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Where does the Bible condemn drug use? The only condemnations of substances I can find in it are for alcohol, and even then, it only condemns drinking to excess. One can follow the Bible literally(though I certainly don't recommend it) and still use drugs without there being any conflict. I have a friend back home who's a hardcore Catholic, and I've tripped with him quite a few times.


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Re: Why are Christians on the Shroomery? [Re: Sir_Jeans]
    #6731323 - 03/31/07 12:33 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Sir_Jeans said:
5 buddhist precepts:
1. Do not kill
2. Do not steal
3. Do not indulge in sexual misconduct
4. Do not make false speech
5. Do not take intoxicants

Many religions forbid drugs to some degree. I bet you wouldnt think it out of place for a buddhist to be here. Not all christians are closed minded.




If you do not think of Entheogens as mere intoxicants, but as "Moksha Medicine," as Huxley called them, then they have their place even in Buddhism. I've pointed out that the late great Lama Anagarika Govinda used LSD and wrote a preface to Leary et als. The Psychedelic Experience. He said that he never truly got the teachings until LSD allowed him to comprehend them on a level that was truly liberating. Intoxication per se is not my intention with these things, clarity is. But then, I am supposedly a "Vajra Type," characterized by "clarity" according to this book:



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Re: Why are Christians on the Shroomery? [Re: Silversoul]
    #6731381 - 03/31/07 12:54 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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Silversoul said:
Where does the Bible condemn drug use?  The only condemnations of substances I can find in it are for alcohol, and even then, it only condemns drinking to excess.  One can follow the Bible literally(though I certainly don't recommend it) and still use drugs without there being any conflict.  I have a friend back home who's a hardcore Catholic, and I've tripped with him quite a few times.




:smile:. Who says that anything that can give you a greater insight on religion or make you feel better about everything is forbidden by god. Didnt he " Make all things good" :smile:


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Re: Why are Christians on the Shroomery? [Re: aryah]
    #6731412 - 03/31/07 01:01 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Im thinking this has something to do with evangelising.

You nailed it.


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