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Offlinemirrorsaw
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Re: Hypothetical questions for christians [Re: Swami]
    #797348 - 08/05/02 09:36 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

My logical mind (as allegedly created by God) precludes me from accepting the faith without convincing evidence.

Reason alone may well not be able to reach and understand God, but I don't believe there should be any doctrine in a religion that should not be open to scrutiny.



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Re: Hypothetical questions for christians [Re: mirrorsaw]
    #798152 - 08/05/02 04:50 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

>Mormon - You will be judged by the intent of your heart and also by your >circumstances. Those who did not have the oportunity to hear "the Word" will >not be denied Heaven.
>So then missionaries are doing a grave disservice. If I never heard the Word, I >would be safe from eternal damnation, but once I heard it I damn well better tow >the line and start believing or pay the price.

Those who have lived and died and never heard the gospel will come into righteous judgment, be found guilty of multiple transgressions, and cast into hell. God owes salvation to no one. The fact that some, who were chosen by God, are saved, is the amazing part, considering the enormous price the had to be paid to redeem even one of the ungodly. Salvation is not based on the work of man, it is based solely on the free grace of God through Christ's substitutionary work ALONE. The fact that millions have not even heard the gospel, and thus have no possibility of salvation, and others have heard it, but were never given ears to hear it, shows God is completely sovereign when it comes to salvation.


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OfflineShroomalicious
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Re: Hypothetical questions for christians [Re: Swami]
    #798168 - 08/05/02 04:59 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Swami he answered your question already...

So then missionaries are doing a grave disservice. If I never heard the Word, I would be safe from eternal damnation, but once I heard it I damn well better tow the line and start believing or pay the price.

What makes you think that? If you never heard Church Docturine and were a great guy then you wouldn't be denied Heaven, in our opinion. If you heard it and were an asshole than perhaps something else would be your fate.

I have good intentions in my heart, but am not a Christian. Where does that leave me?

Good intensions...that is all that matters.

I honestly believe that Christianity as commonly practiced is not right for me. My logical mind (as allegedly created by God) precludes me from accepting the faith without convincing evidence.

That is fine. Good intensions and a true heart is all that matters. A non-believer with a true heart is valued more than a believer with a false heart.


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Edited by Shroomalicious (08/05/02 05:02 PM)


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Re: Hypothetical questions for christians [Re: postalboy]
    #798382 - 08/05/02 06:51 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

The argument herein this thread lies in the personal experience of what we have come to call God. This experience of God, and the question of the very existence of God, revolves around the common ground of the human perception of happiness and the very reason for being in the first place. This experience entitles one to an eternity of bliss or torture, or so we have been told. But when one takes a closer look, we see that the believers and the doubters (here on the shroomery) are not as far away from one another in their heart as those people in life who rarely even think about these issues. That being said, I see a confluence between Old Testament thought and New Testament liberties when debating the issue of faith (which is what I believe we are debating). Faith, in the Old Testament was a better or not proposition in which the sadness one incurred in life was a result of some type of behavior or lack of ritualistic reverence. God was a punishing creator that had no leniency for those who stepped out of line. The writing was of epic style and was intended to reduce pain, suffering and death by illustrating the lines of observation of those who contributed to it?s writing. The Psalms were the only writings in the Old Testament that really touched the poetic or subtle side of human soul. It seems that from the Psalms, Jesus was inspired to break tradition and simplify God?s? law into an idea that entitles us to have the power from free will rather than be a slave to it. All of this being revealed in a world of God?s free will or love so strong that it appears we have been abandoned by a Creator that so loved us, He would let us find our way from Eden to Heaven, on our own, where we would share the magnificence of Heaven, rather than simply be promoted to another level under God.
Sacrifice is the ultimate key in both Testaments. It is not now, nor has it ever been the keenest idea to humans that sacrifice brings happiness. Doubt then lies squarely on the shoulders of sacrifice and what we will get from it. History has shown the tendency of those who would gain materially from the sacrifice of those who could afford it the least, has further clouded our ability to see the trees for the forest in this regard.
I hope and pray that I can make the sacrifices necessary to enter into a state of consciousness in which sacrifice is no longer seen as an obstacle but as an opportunity to get closer to happiness both in a material way and a spiritual way, and that those I love can be with me on my journey, they include the souls here at the shroomery.


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OfflineEvilBastard
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Re: Hypothetical questions for christians [Re: Swami]
    #798408 - 08/05/02 07:03 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Missionaries are evil, even the "fisting demons" in hell avoid them.

BTW, if you don't agree with me, I'll pray for you.

See what I mean? No.

I'll pray for you.


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