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InvisibleautomanM
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when did you first question...
    #1963132 - 09/29/03 05:14 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

christianity?

i was 8 when i first saw the movie, "Gandhi". i was raised a christian. i said "he must have a huge place in heaven." i was told that no matter what a person does in his life, INCLUDING GANDHI, that if he doesnt believe that jesus was God, he cant go to heaven. it didnt make any sense to me when i was 8, and it doesnt make any sense to me decades later. if gandhi cant go to heaven, i dont want to go there either!


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Re: when did you first question... [Re: automan]
    #1963200 - 09/29/03 05:33 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

i was brought up to decide what i believe in myself. i dont know if its because of that or just because of me, but ive always found myself questioning pretty much anything that is presented as fact, especially (but not exclusively) if its presented in an authoritative manner. that said, i have no idea when the first time i questioned christianity was. probably the first time i gave it any thought i suppose.


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Re: when did you first question... [Re: ]
    #1963284 - 09/29/03 05:57 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Before I was six, when I went to church with the neighbors and the baptist preacher pulled me up in front of the entire assembly and preached for "hours on end" (at least to a child) about how I was going to burn in hell for all eternity because I wasn't baptised.

(irony... I had been baptised, but he didn't know that, nor did I... too young. It took more than twenty years before I even went into a Christian church after that...)


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Re: when did you first question... [Re: Seuss]
    #1964978 - 09/30/03 04:03 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Why all the posts about Christianity lately? Is some sort of say.. oh, I don't know.. oncoming evolution starting to make people look around, question, and realize? :grin:
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Re: when did you first question... [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1965061 - 09/30/03 04:40 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Good question. I was around 9 when i just stoped begging god for forgiveness and said to myself "Wait a minute, i dont remember being given the choice to be born, follow Jesus, and go to heaven. Why would god create me if he knows im going to hell to burn for all eternity?" At this point i began reading the bible OUTSIDE of church and began noticing all these flaws in it that people bend to fit there interpretation. My mind went through an expansion process until i was 16 at wich point i no longer viewed the Christian Bible as a HOLY BOOK but one of many History books that got incredibly missinterperted. I saw how i was blinded of the existance of any other religion and how 40% the people who folowed Christianity follow it out of fear. Another 40% follow it for the simple fact that it just happened to be the religion this country was founded on. And only 20% follow it because of Spirituality. Im 19 now and i feel as if i have escaped The Matrix. I live out of Happiness and the enjoyment of love and not out of fear of going to hell.


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Re: when did you first question... [Re: Spokesman]
    #1965080 - 09/30/03 04:55 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

The view is quite different from outside the system, looking over it and seeing it all for what it really is, isn't it, Spokesman? :grin:
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Re: when did you first question... [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1965095 - 09/30/03 05:11 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I almost died in a car crash. Until that point i considered myself a believer in the christian faith. After the accident, I am no longer what you would call a "christian believer". However, its not because my life is worse off. In fact , my life has improved 10 fold since the accident. Was it because I realized god exists and he let me stay on this planet? or Was it because once i realized god does not exist, I woke up and started REALLY living my life?

still tryin to figure it out myself.



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Re: when did you first question... [Re: DankBluntZ]
    #1965167 - 09/30/03 06:41 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

When you figure out that things work differently than your beliefs tells you, then you begin to question all those "truths", to me, most of them seemed absolutely pathetic and outdated after some reflection, i was 12. It's then time to move on and learn your own truth.

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Re: when did you first question... [Re: MAIA]
    #1965302 - 09/30/03 09:29 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

> Why all the posts about Christianity lately?

Post topics always seem to come in groups. Donno why... guess people like to dive into specific areas of some broad issue that somebody else brings up.


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Re: when did you first question... [Re: automan]
    #1965334 - 09/30/03 09:59 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I question Dogma when as a kid the priest in my catholic school was teaching us about baptism, and if you are not baptize you will go to hell if you die, so I asked him what about all the millions of Chinese kids who never heard of Christianity? Is not there fault to be borne in China? (remember I was just a kid)
He answered that is how things are.
Well from that moment on I knew that it was a mean , illogical not loving god and wanted nothing to do with it.
On the other hand I found Christ on my first shroom tripp, well understood for the first time what he was trying to teach, also Buda etc.
Is all about Love and compassion.
But I agree is time to brake away from all silly rules and regulations and laws, try to live and experience God on your own.


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Re: when did you first question... [Re: automan]
    #1965494 - 09/30/03 11:20 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

when I was real young I went to church a lot. After a while I heard enough of the priest because he kept saying, "I think what god meant to say was..." I think I was between 8-10, dunno exactly. anyway I laughed after a while because if god was so big as they made him out to be, then how could this priest know what god meant to say.



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Re: when did you first question... [Re: kaiowas]
    #1965997 - 09/30/03 02:36 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Like many others, when I was in the vicinity of 10-12 years old, I realized that it was unfair and cruel that because I was not baptized or didn't go to church that I would burn in hell, regardless of how I lived the rest of my life. It was silly to me then, and is silly now.

I doubt that an almighty, all-knowing, unconditionally loving god would care if you were baptized, as long as you were a good person.


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Re: when did you first question... [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1966006 - 09/30/03 02:41 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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The view is quite different from outside the system, looking over it and seeing it all for what it really is, isn't it, Spokesman? :grin:
Peace. 




Sure does, i asked a question to a Christian the other day and got the same arguement i have gotten a million times "God said in the bible not to question things you dont understand" I was like "man, i can't belive i lived under that totalitarian dictatorship my whole childhood."


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Re: when did you first question... [Re: Spokesman]
    #1966047 - 09/30/03 02:57 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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Spokesman said:
Sure does, i asked a question to a Christian the other day and got the same arguement i have gotten a million times "God said in the bible not to question things you dont understand" I was like "man, i can't belive i lived under that totalitarian dictatorship my whole childhood." 




You tell them that Fireworks_God wrote the Bible and that all of that wasn't me that put that in there, it was Satan, who tampered with The Bible and made it unpure. :grin:
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Re: when did you first question... [Re: automan]
    #1966138 - 09/30/03 03:20 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

when my dad died.


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Re: when did you first question... [Re: Spokesman]
    #1966229 - 09/30/03 03:45 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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At this point i began reading the bible OUTSIDE of church and began noticing all these flaws in it that people bend to fit there interpretation. My mind went through an expansion process until i was 16 at wich point i no longer viewed the Christian Bible as a HOLY BOOK but one of many History books that got incredibly missinterperted.




apparently the oldest parts of the new testament were originally written in greek, not aramaic (sp?) which is the language jesus supposedly spoke. no aramaic versions of these texts have been found to date, which implies that jc's words were interpreted. even in modern times, meaning is often lost in translation, so some of these flaws that you notice are most likely missinterpretations of a missinterpretations.


Edited by iamhimheisme (09/30/03 03:47 PM)


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Re: when did you first question... [Re: ]
    #1966416 - 09/30/03 04:41 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I think I was twelve when I asked my religion teacher: "Isn't it possible the Divine is a state humans are slowly evolving towards?"
She nodded her head, probably trying to keep me 'on track' or something.

At fourteen I had some spontaneous visions (non plant-induced) which could be and have been interpreted on so many different levels by my own mind.

Then at age 19 I started tripping and have tripped 12 times so far, on various doses. And what the sacred fungus has shown me is that perhaps I was right all along.

Antropomorphous deities are fine to begin your spiritual journey with, but once you transcend that idea and think of all Gods as faces of the one cosmic soul, you're closer to what it's about.


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Re: when did you first question... [Re: automan]
    #1966557 - 09/30/03 05:27 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

well, it must have been around the time i first read heinlein's _stranger in a strange land_ (say, maybe 1962 or '63 --- i was about 10 or 11...)(i had already read all the heinlein "juvenile" books at the local library & my dad's college philosophy textbook... twisted, huh?)
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may you never thirst...
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so... i may not have all the answers, but i do have a rather nice collection of questions :wink: ...)
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Re: when did you first question... [Re: gnrm23]
    #1966760 - 09/30/03 06:39 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I attended a Lutheran church from the time I was born until just shortly after I was confirmed, interestingly enough. I went through my confirmation classes around age 12 and by the time I was done, I was convinced that organized religion was a complete waste of time and started to question everything. I asked the pastor so many questions that he could not answer to my satisfaction, he ended up calling my parents about it. :smirk:


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Re: when did you first question... [Re: automan]
    #1966793 - 09/30/03 06:50 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Even as a little kid, whenever my parents read a Bible story to me(which was pretty rare, since they weren't all that religious, and only went to church on Christmas Eve), I thought of it as just that: a story, and not necessarily true. I put Bible stories in the same category as Aesop's Fables--fictional stories meant to convey a greater truth. I believed in God, and in Jesus being his son, but beyond that, I wasn't really a strong believer in Christianity. I remember even questioning reality as a kid. As early as age 8, I remember thinking about how reality could all just be a dream. Looking back on it, I think an observer could've predicted back then that I would grow up to become a psychedelic user.


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Re: when did you first question... [Re: automan]
    #1966855 - 09/30/03 07:11 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I remember sitting in "sunday school" way back in my pre-teens wondering why these people thought they were speaking the truth when they were simply repeating shit that old-timers had told THEM.. I realized it was possibly that people HADN'T questioned it in the past which had allowed christianity to get so large and so "powerful." Its "you want answers? go with God!" attitude has always turned me off, because it takes the cosmic spotlight off of me and puts it on "God."

DOWN IT GOES


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Re: when did you first question... [Re: silversoul7]
    #1968720 - 10/01/03 06:00 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

silversoul7 said:
I put Bible stories in the same category as Aesop's Fables--fictional stories meant to convey a greater truth. 




Indeed. :grin:
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Re: when did you first question... [Re: silversoul7]
    #1970394 - 10/01/03 08:48 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

after I was brainwashed on a christian mission.


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Re: when did you first question... [Re: automan]
    #1970415 - 10/01/03 08:55 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Neither of my parents ever really discussed religion with me until I was older. I think it was a decision on their part not to enforce any beliefs upon me.

I remember long ago, believing in god, when I was pretty little, I had strongly christian friends and I think what they spoke about influenced me. I couldn't have been older than 5 before I wasn't sure if there was a god or not.


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Re: when did you first question... [Re: Phluck]
    #1972951 - 10/02/03 03:43 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

my parents separated when i was 8. i prayed everyday for the next three years that they would get back together. eventually they divorced. my deepest prayers were never answered. my life went to shit. i lost my faith.


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Re: when did you first question... [Re: silversoul7]
    #1973140 - 10/02/03 04:36 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Very interesting...

I knew I was very different from the time i was 6. I used to lie in bed after waking up, wondering if I was in another place, perhaps heaven and this life was all a dream. I remember hoping someone would wake me and I would be in paradise.

I agree that this was definately a hint of our future use of hallucinogens.

It's been 4 years since I've tripped. I'm looking forward to that within the next several weeks. I feel like living in this crazy world hardens my heart. Mushrooms and cannabis seem to have a healing effect on me and remind me to love and care for others.


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Re: when did you first question... [Re: catalyst777]
    #1973922 - 10/02/03 09:04 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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catalyst777 said:
I feel like living in this crazy world hardens my heart. Mushrooms and cannabis seem to have a healing effect on me and remind me to love and care for others.




i agree with that completely. if i hadnt have found mind altering subsatnces, i feel like i would have missed the beauty that is all around me.


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Re: when did you first question... [Re: automan]
    #1974956 - 10/03/03 04:06 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

When did you first question Christianity?

I don't know for sure.
I always had doubts about it ever since I can remember... as to when those doubts morphed into serious questions, I really can't pinpoint it.

I abandoned my church before I abandoned Christianity (I became Kierkegaard before I knew of him). That happened before seventh grade (that's when I started confirmation), so I was probably about 11 or 12. I was more Christian than everyone around me who "shared" my faith. It took several more years for me to realize and overcome my spiritual insecurities. Acid helped.


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Re: when did you first question... [Re: automan]
    #1976040 - 10/03/03 01:39 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I was perhaps 6 or 7.... I had asked my parents to start taking me to church *raised under the influence of many different culture's, but not forced into any traditions or religious affiliations* A few weeks after attending, i questioned what was being told in my Sunday school class and was promptly kicked out.

Same with in school...

The *system* sure likes to hold us smart ones down. :wink: 


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