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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: jonathanseagull]
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Quote:
Both hunches are hunches, although one is moronic.


Thanks for clarifying. Of course the people who are having the failed hunches feel no more moronic than telepathy and astrology believers.


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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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:bongload:


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: MushroomTrip]
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Pass that over. I have a headache.


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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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:getstoned:


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: Veritas]
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Veritas said:
In the case of believing that someone is your friend, you probably WOULD have evidence. If they consistently treat you with kindness, listen to you, help you when you request assistance, and seem to enjoy spending time around you, then you have evidence which supports your belief that they are your friend.

While is is not scientific evidence, it certainly supports your subjective POV on the relational category to which this person should be assigned.


Which, I believe, is the same category that telepathy will generally fall under. Most people who have telepathic experiences have it with someone who they feel they are close to (after all, they are sharing an aspect of their mind) and thus the experience can speak for itself on a personal level. I don't feel the need to tell everyone on a message board that I am friends with someone and try to prove it to them, but I do see the importance of reminding people from time to time that it is possible to be friends with someone.

I don't see the need to deny the supernatural. The supernatural isn't all that important, it's our methodology of obtaining truth that's the main point. And if we have no direct experience with it, then we have no reason to think anything about it at all.


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"I threw a small stone down at the reflection of my image in the water, and it altogether disappeared. I burst as it shattered through me, like a bullet through a bottle... and I'm expected to believe that any of this is real!" -mewithoutYou

"To believe in the wide-awake real, through all the stupefying, enervating, distorting dream: to will to wake, when the very being seems athirst for godless repose: these are the broken steps up to the high fields where repose is but a form of strength, strength but a form of joy, joy but a form of love." -George MacDonald

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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
What if you kind of know its true, but you dont why, and theres no evidence that you can put your finger on, but you just kind of know. Havent you ever felt that before?

:rofl2: I must admit that this quote is very entertaining for me. I also admit that I have felt this way. It was when I was a teen and hadn't learned much about logical thought. I guess I was just a product of modern education.:monkeydance:


I thought public education taught us to think via the scientific method?


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"I threw a small stone down at the reflection of my image in the water, and it altogether disappeared. I burst as it shattered through me, like a bullet through a bottle... and I'm expected to believe that any of this is real!" -mewithoutYou

"To believe in the wide-awake real, through all the stupefying, enervating, distorting dream: to will to wake, when the very being seems athirst for godless repose: these are the broken steps up to the high fields where repose is but a form of strength, strength but a form of joy, joy but a form of love." -George MacDonald

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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: stellar renegade]
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I don't see the need to deny the supernatural.

This to me is a truly bizarre statement. WTF does "super" natural even mean. It's like "Super"man and just as comic and unreal. It's the refuge of those who feel inadequate to handle real nature.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: stellar renegade]
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I thought public education taught us to think via the scientific method?

That's certainly the claim but as you can see from the majority of posting that goes on here they fail miserably.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: Icelander]
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Does education foster scientific thinking?. In most cases, no.


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Pray, v.: To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy - Ambrose Bierce

Medical science has confirmed what the male world has known intuitively for millenia: that scratching your ass is a great aid to complex thinking.

Its God's responsibility to forgive the terrorist organizations such as Jaish, Lashkar etc.
Its our responsibility to arrange the meeting between them and god."
- Indian Armed Forces

"Hey Monkey!! Get Funky" - Tarzan and Jane

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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: shakercee]
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I think the reason is that modern education is illogical and unbalanced and in the service of creating servants.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Its not good to believe something without evidence.


This is exactly the point that you missed, as JonathanSeagull tryed to point out to you!!!

You BELIEVE there isn't telepathy without evidence (saying it hasn't been proven yet is not evidence).
Someone who experiences telepathy BELIEVES it without evidence (only personal experience).

So as YOU yourself said - ITS NOT GOOD TO BELIEVE WITHOUT EVIDENCE.

Its just funny that you cannot see that you yourself are doing this too!

Why do you think I said - lets just leave it as unknown - it is the ONLY sensible answer.

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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: Icelander]
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Yeah, i didn't much like the face-in-the-books types. They are boring and not that interesting..though there are exceptions.


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Pray, v.: To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy - Ambrose Bierce

Medical science has confirmed what the male world has known intuitively for millenia: that scratching your ass is a great aid to complex thinking.

Its God's responsibility to forgive the terrorist organizations such as Jaish, Lashkar etc.
Its our responsibility to arrange the meeting between them and god."
- Indian Armed Forces

"Hey Monkey!! Get Funky" - Tarzan and Jane

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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
I don't see the need to deny the supernatural.

This to me is a truly bizarre statement. WTF does "super" natural even mean. It's like "Super"man and just as comic and unreal. It's the refuge of those who feel inadequate to handle real nature.


It means a reality beyond our immediate perception and beyond our immediate control. I think that's probably the most simplistic and basic answer to that question.


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"I threw a small stone down at the reflection of my image in the water, and it altogether disappeared. I burst as it shattered through me, like a bullet through a bottle... and I'm expected to believe that any of this is real!" -mewithoutYou

"To believe in the wide-awake real, through all the stupefying, enervating, distorting dream: to will to wake, when the very being seems athirst for godless repose: these are the broken steps up to the high fields where repose is but a form of strength, strength but a form of joy, joy but a form of love." -George MacDonald

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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
I think the reason is that modern education is illogical and unbalanced and in the service of creating servants.


Well true, but you were seeming to imply that in school we were taught to think simply by hunches and feelings we couldn't exactly put our finger on. I don't know what school you went to, but I was never taught that.


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"I threw a small stone down at the reflection of my image in the water, and it altogether disappeared. I burst as it shattered through me, like a bullet through a bottle... and I'm expected to believe that any of this is real!" -mewithoutYou

"To believe in the wide-awake real, through all the stupefying, enervating, distorting dream: to will to wake, when the very being seems athirst for godless repose: these are the broken steps up to the high fields where repose is but a form of strength, strength but a form of joy, joy but a form of love." -George MacDonald

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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: Ego Death]
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Ego Death said:
lets just leave it as unknown - it is the ONLY sensible answer.


Precisely. Thanks for clarifying what I was trying to say.


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Loving in truth, and fain in verse my love to show, That the dear She might take some pleasure of my pain: Pleasure might cause her read, reading might make her know, Knowledge might pity win, and pity grace obtain.

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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: stellar renegade]
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I implied no such thing.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: stellar renegade]
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stellar renegade said:
Icelander said:
I don't see the need to deny the supernatural.

This to me is a truly bizarre statement. WTF does "super" natural even mean. It's like "Super"man and just as comic and unreal. It's the refuge of those who feel inadequate to handle real nature.


It means a reality beyond our immediate perception and beyond our immediate control.  I think that's probably the most simplistic and basic answer to that question.


IMO that's a really dumb definition of supernatural.:monkeydance:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
I implied no such thing.


Then what, pray tell, did this mean?:

Icelander said:
What if you kind of know its true, but you dont why, and theres no evidence that you can put your finger on, but you just kind of know. Havent you ever felt that before?

:rofl2: I must admit that this quote is very entertaining for me. I also admit that I have felt this way. It was when I was a teen and hadn't learned much about logical thought. I guess I was just a product of modern education. :monkeydance:


Icelander said:
stellar renegade said:
It means a reality beyond our immediate perception and beyond our immediate control.  I think that's probably the most simplistic and basic answer to that question.


IMO that's a really dumb definition of supernatural.:monkeydance:


Why's that?


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"I threw a small stone down at the reflection of my image in the water, and it altogether disappeared. I burst as it shattered through me, like a bullet through a bottle... and I'm expected to believe that any of this is real!" -mewithoutYou

"To believe in the wide-awake real, through all the stupefying, enervating, distorting dream: to will to wake, when the very being seems athirst for godless repose: these are the broken steps up to the high fields where repose is but a form of strength, strength but a form of joy, joy but a form of love." -George MacDonald

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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: stellar renegade]
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What I meant is the educational system didn't do a good job of teaching me to think for myself or rationally. It was mostly programming to make me a good sheepie for the work force.

Why's that?

Because everything is natural and there can be nothing else. :tongue: It's like saying plastic is unnatural or synthetic drugs are unnatural. Everything is natural whether we know about it or not. A jet plane is beyond my immediate control. Does that make it supernatural?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: Icelander]
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I agree the supernatural is a meaningless term. Supernormal is more fitting, but then we'd have to go through the usual dance about what we mean by "normal".


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Loving in truth, and fain in verse my love to show, That the dear She might take some pleasure of my pain: Pleasure might cause her read, reading might make her know, Knowledge might pity win, and pity grace obtain.

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