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TELEPATHY & SHROOMS - NEWS FROM THE NETHERLANDS
    #4729654 - 09/29/05 04:31 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

28-09-2005

Ganzfeld-experiments in the Netherlands have proven that people under influence of magic mushrooms are far better capable of telepathically transferring their thoughts to someone else than usual. The reason for this experiment with shrooms was the traditional use in Indian cultures in South-America. Amongst them the link between these mushrooms and clairvoyance or telepathy is considered obvious.

It is known for a long time that people often report paranormal experiences when in an altered state of consciousness, for example when dreaming, meditating or just before falling asleep. Parapsychologists invented a setting that quickly brings people in such a state: the Ganzfeld. At an equally named experiment the test person lays down on a comfortable chair in a soundproof room. Headphones that only produce a noise. Two half ping pong balls on the eyes with a red lamp shining on them. Without any stimulations of the senses, the paranormal signals would be more cleary perceptible.

In the other room, a ?sender? is present. He looks at a picture and tries to ?send? the image to the test person. There are multiple variations on this experiment; mostly the receiver describes his impressions and chooses from four pictures one he thinks he has received.
Chances when choosing at random are 25%, so a higher percentage would indicate that something paranormal has taken place.

After twenty years of Ganzfeld research through the whole world the average success percentage lays around 33%. Later on, Professor at University of Utrecht Dick Bierman and academic Rens Wezelman researched clairvoyance under influence of drugs. Test persons smoked a joint just before entering the Ganzfeld session, or they had a dose of the hallucinogen psilocybin, better known as magic mushrooms. The stoned test persons scored around 30%, which is slightly above chance level, but comparable with results of sober persons. Under influence of mind altering shrooms the success percentage went up to 58%.

Source: Psychologie magazine and research report: Het effect van cannabis en paddo?s in een parapsychologisch experiment by D. Bierman.


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Re: TELEPATHY & SHROOMS - NEWS FROM THE NETHERLANDS [Re: a_h_w]
    #4729710 - 09/29/05 04:40 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Chances when choosing at random are 25%, so a higher percentage would indicate that something paranormal has taken place.

Might indicate. I am thinking of a number, either 1 or 2. Those that guessed two MUST be psychic, right?

Seems they should now ban pyschedelics at the World Series of Poker...


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Re: TELEPATHY & SHROOMS - NEWS FROM THE NETHERLANDS [Re: a_h_w]
    #4729738 - 09/29/05 04:46 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

i don't think its that great of a feat at all. only 4 pics to choose from? maybe more likely if it was from 25 or 50 pics, but once you think about it 4 pics doesn't create that high of a percentage of the likelyhood that this experiment would be telepathy.


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Re: TELEPATHY & SHROOMS - NEWS FROM THE NETHERLANDS [Re: spudamore]
    #4729752 - 09/29/05 04:49 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I just looked outside and the Casinos are folding their tents and closing shop after hearing of these results...


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Re: TELEPATHY & SHROOMS - NEWS FROM THE NETHERLANDS [Re: Swami]
    #4729757 - 09/29/05 04:49 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Seems they should now ban pyschedelics at the World Series of Poker...




hahaha seems like most of them are using anyways, there would be a great decline in players.


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Re: TELEPATHY & SHROOMS - NEWS FROM THE NETHERLANDS [Re: spudamore]
    #4729766 - 09/29/05 04:51 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

when my brother and his friend are opn shrooms they know everything about what there going to sa its fucking crazy


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Re: TELEPATHY & SHROOMS - NEWS FROM THE NETHERLANDS [Re: spudamore]
    #4729780 - 09/29/05 04:53 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

More like cocaine (Stu Unger), speed, caffeine and nicotine. Not many dopers, trippers or drunkards make it very far in major tournaments.


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Re: TELEPATHY & SHROOMS - NEWS FROM THE NETHERLANDS [Re: Swami]
    #4729799 - 09/29/05 04:56 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

QUACK QUACK!!! LOL


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Re: TELEPATHY & SHROOMS - NEWS FROM THE NETHERLANDS [Re: Swami]
    #4729805 - 09/29/05 04:58 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Not many dopers, trippers or drunkards make it very far in major tournaments.




Those are 3 different kinds of people.


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Re: TELEPATHY & SHROOMS - NEWS FROM THE NETHERLANDS [Re: DeathCompany]
    #4729814 - 09/29/05 04:58 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I am now reading your mind. You are fantasizing about doing the chick in the chair with the white eye cups on.


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Re: TELEPATHY & SHROOMS - NEWS FROM THE NETHERLANDS [Re: Fospher]
    #4729818 - 09/29/05 04:59 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

You can't 'multi-task'?  :stoned:


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Re: TELEPATHY & SHROOMS - NEWS FROM THE NETHERLANDS [Re: Swami]
    #4729822 - 09/29/05 05:00 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

damn hes good


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Re: TELEPATHY & SHROOMS - NEWS FROM THE NETHERLANDS [Re: Swami]
    #4729828 - 09/29/05 05:02 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Chances when choosing at random are 25%, so a higher percentage would indicate that something paranormal has taken place.

Might indicate. I am thinking of a number, either 1 or 2.
Those that guessed two MUST be psychic, right?





you know perfectly well that if a person guessed your number 75 times in 100 something would be happening.

about the poker, it really doesn't make sense. I'm really surprised because usually the ceptic arguments are pretty well thought but his time they're really missing the point.

in the experiment there is someone trying to get a message through. i don't think in poker you'd have your opponents trying to tell you their game. so you better think of something else.


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Re: TELEPATHY & SHROOMS - NEWS FROM THE NETHERLANDS [Re: a_h_w]
    #4729838 - 09/29/05 05:05 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

hey hey hey smart people arent allowed in this here conversation


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Re: TELEPATHY & SHROOMS - NEWS FROM THE NETHERLANDS [Re: a_h_w]
    #4729853 - 09/29/05 05:09 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

why do I present a telepathy study evolving an experience where a person is intentionally sending information to another and people make jokes about randomly reading another person's mind?

and really, what does the casino, cocaine, caffeine and all that stuff has to do with this?

oh, well, that explains the whole split thing. you don't want to expose opposite views. you want to make fun without even reasoning.


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Re: TELEPATHY & SHROOMS - NEWS FROM THE NETHERLANDS [Re: a_h_w]
    #4729855 - 09/29/05 05:09 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

you know perfectly well that if a person guessed your number 75 times in 100 something would be happening.

Might be happening. Using a computerized random number generator and a random number guesser, a small, but sizable percentage of runs would exceed 75% with NOTHING going on.

That is only the starting point for research. It is not conclusive.


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Re: TELEPATHY & SHROOMS - NEWS FROM THE NETHERLANDS [Re: Swami]
    #4729860 - 09/29/05 05:10 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

what the fuck is he tlking about


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Re: TELEPATHY & SHROOMS - NEWS FROM THE NETHERLANDS [Re: DeathCompany]
    #4729880 - 09/29/05 05:20 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Im too tired to give a proper retort, its 5 in the morning.

(just pretend shrooms have telepathic powers, it's all relative anyway)


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Re: TELEPATHY & SHROOMS - NEWS FROM THE NETHERLANDS [Re: Swami]
    #4729887 - 09/29/05 05:24 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Using a computerized random number generator and a random number guesser, a small, but sizable percentage of runs would exceed 75% with NOTHING going on.





ok, so at least you're admiting that if nothing happened, the test was very very very lucky.

now i understand the whole casino thing!  :wink:

ps: please don't split s&p. these dynamics can't be lost. I learn a lot more even about my own ideas with the people that don't agree with them.


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Re: TELEPATHY & SHROOMS - NEWS FROM THE NETHERLANDS [Re: a_h_w]
    #4729889 - 09/29/05 05:25 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

why do I present a telepathy study evolving an experience where a person is intentionally sending information to another and people make jokes about randomly reading another person's mind?

You list a source that no one here has ready access to, no links; no third-party peer-review to check for experimenter bias, no others attempting to duplicate the experiment and getting similar results.

Then you talk in absolute conclusions instead of maybe's.

If this phenomenon was CLEARLY DEMONSTRATED and repeatable by other researchers, it would radically reshape our ideas of physics and understanding of the mind and brain. However, it is premature to come to any conclusion at this time.

In summation, you give us very little to actually discuss except for people to throw in anecdotal 'evidence'.


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