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Telepathy, eh...
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Does telepathy exist.. can people talk to each other with their brains? Some argue its impossible, some argue they can do it, some say prove it, some say you cant...

Personally.. I've bounced around in my views.. from telepathy is valid, back to thinking it ties in with all the other tin-foil-helmet speak, back to thinking I even expressed some telepathic qualities...

I think the idea that telepathy exists is quite valid.. It suggests that through the use of a "6th sense" we are able to send/receive a certain wave or vibration of energy.. Our ears can perceive sound through any object, given that the energy is powerful enough... Why not some other yet unknown energy? Why couldn't humans be taking a step upwards in evolution? Why couldn't we be developing a new sense for an energy which we have no mechanical means of detecting.. or of definatly perceiving with out minds.. as readily as light, sound, or heat.. If an organism existed which had the organic means to send and receive radio waves, the ability to tune the frequency so that it could choose the receiving organism.. would that not be telepathy? Just because we figured out what chemicals and elements to combine in a certain pattern and manner, electronically, to send and receive these frequencies of energies, does that change what these organisms had before? Or does it just unshroud the mystery which we previously did not understand....

Sorry if this was just a big ball of incomprehensible jibberish..
but when ya gotta jibber, ya gotta jibber.

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Jared]
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i've experienced it so i can say that, yes, it exists...

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Jared]
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i hear ya... i believe i've experienced telapathy, or maybe it was just great luck but everything i was thinking was being told to me by the person i was with at the time, right in front of me.


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Jared]
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If it exists at all, it appears that no one can control when or where it happens, else someone would claim Randi's $1,000,000. All the theorizing in the world means nothing. Actions speak quite loudly.

There is a great deal of apparent telepathy due to two quirks of the human psyche.

1. We are highly programmed for pattern recognition. We find patterns where there are none (The Mars' Face for example.) Don't believe me? Put the TV or radio on a channel that is all static or run a loud fan. Listen carefully to any white noise source and you will hear faint voices in the background where there are none. Your brain will take in the vibrations and try to make words out of the random sound.

2. Selective memory. This is where you only remember moments that have significance to you.

For example: You are at home thinking about a special friend and then he / she calls. "Wow! I was just thinking about you. How amazing!" Of course, you forget the 100 other people that you thought about who didn't call or all the times you thought about your lover and he/she did not call.


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Swami]
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"If it exists at all, it appears that no one can control when or where it happens, else someone would claim Randi's $1,000,000."
nice point swami.
if one subscribes to the theory that we are evolving beings. it could follow that, perhaps we, or at least most of us, are simply not ready to have such an ability. i'd abuse it, no worries!

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Jared]
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Telepathy occurs in the subconscious. Not everyone is consciously aware of what is going on in their subconscious a lot of time. It is those moments when we take a look deep inside that we are able to recognize this function that is always occuring. Swami's main argument is that we should be able to prove it. Well, once someone resides completely in the subconscious, this should be no problem. But for now, almost everyone on Earth spends most of their time in the conscious mind. Most people only fully slip into the subconscious during that period called "sleep". Some people have trained themselves to enter the subconscious at will, sort of by "flipping off the switch" of the conscious. This does not mean that you go to sleep, the subconscious mind is where all information and memories are stored. The conscious mind is a part of our awareness that allows us to associate with and interact with the material world. However the conscious mind gets all its information from the subconscious, it has a "tap root" that goes into the subconscious which feeds stimuli to it, and the subconscious responds with previous memories or feelings and feeds them back up to the conscious. That is how the brain works when you deal with any situation involving the conscious. The conscious mind cannot act alone.

Imagine your consciousness, or awareness of self, as a little ball of light. Now imagine the brain, the top half being the conscious mind, and the bottom half being the subconscious. When we are awake, that little ball of light spends most of its time in the top half, or conscious part of the brain. It is completely unaware of what is going on beneath it. Now when you go to sleep, the conscious does not exist. That ball of light drops into the subconscious, with no awareness of the conscious. It is all relative to where your awareness spends its time.

Now there are people who train to send their awareness into the conscious and subconscious at the same time.. that is.. the ball of light is halfway in the conscious, and halfway in the subconscious. It is aware of both aspects at the same time. It knows what is going on in both of them. These are the people who would be able to prove telepathy exists, as they would be able to observe the telepathic communication occuring in the subconscious, and bring it up to the conscious unchanged and relay it to the material world, consciously.

All telepathy is, is direct mind to mind communication. Waves of energy vibrating at a certain frequency that hold the capability to store an infinite amount of information. One only has to tune their mind into this frequency, to send and recieve these waves of energy.

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Jared]
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Obviously, anyone who has read a few of my posts knows that I'm a believer......but a problem arises.....

Different people have different ideas of what telepathy is.....

I don't see it as mind control. I understand it as "mind to mind" interaction.......while psychokenesis is "mind to matter" interaction.

Some people (myself included) are more sensitive to telepathy occurring and interpret its signals more clearly. To some it is just static that makes them tired, others shut it out.

Issac Bonowits wrote in "Real Magic" about how the presence of a skeptic, can shut down all other psychic activity. Even in the bible when Jesus returned to his home town, it was said that, he could do no great works there......because of their unbelief. In short, an unbeliever or a skeptic, can piss in our sandbox and make it impossible or nearly impossible for any ability like this to work.

Just as the skeptic warns the masses about those of us who "believe"......sensitive ones.....beware the skeptic! They can generate great amounts of psychic energy unknowingly and can stop healing, or even produce sickness or depression. Most, know nothing of what they do, since they believe that these abilities do not exist. Their unrestrained energy can be like a sharp weapon, wounding or in much rarer cases killing those within (psychic) reach!

Can telepathy exist? Sure. I just recently posted about a friend who confessed to being unjustly angry with me. I shocked her when I responded that it was not one time, but three separate times the week before, and then gave her the exact days and times when she had been angry with me.

I think this is a good example of telepathy, but this is not something that grows well under the scientific eye......
In short even questioning the existance of telepathy, could be enough "mental energy" to make it an impossibility.

Because of this, the battle between skeptic and believer will rage on. The skeptic will caution about lack of proof, and logic, and the precarious position of being open to fraud.
The believer will encourage, and say "only believe".........if you don't then it won't work.

I believe that all people produce a "mental energy" but not all people do this consciously. Thoughts, in my experience and opinion, don't just exist "in our heads" but are like radio waves that "go somewhere". Some people just broadcast. Others focus in and send a message to a specific location. Some learn this, others just kind of have a nack for it...... Some are good at it, some are bad, and some are like sharp shooters.......

The other thing about telepathy and "other psychic abilities" is that many of these things don't just "happen" in the instant when the message is sent. They often manifest at around three days. Why? Why does Wicca speak of a three fold return? I don't know. That is just what I have often noticed, especially with telepathy. Maybe there is some cosmic significance to this.....but it is a mystery to me.

But lets be practical.....if I want to get a message to someone, I send them an email.......but if I want to break down someone's defensiveness who is in danger and needs help but is resistant to this.....I use telepathy. This has unpredictable results though and you must "will" to protect the receiver. As an example, lets say I have someone who is suicidal with drugs, and they are in denial of their problem. First, I talk to them. If they are resistant, we increase the frequency of our talks. If this doesn't work, I send thoughts and protection toward them and ask them to receive this. Many times these people will suddenly take a turn for the worse and will get into some trouble. This trouble will often be the turning point where the person stops being in denial and recognizes their problem. In short, I push them to a location where they are willing to see their problem and do something about it. I can not force them to accept my thoughts. This process could also be called prayer.......

Most people don't understant the three fold return either. Whatever you send out, comes back to you. This is not the same as karma. If you send out a thought to destroy another, and this thought is rejected by the receiver, it will snap back at you with increased force. If you have been sucessful in forming a nice projectile for the receiver, then get ready for the hit on yourself if the person rejects the thought.

What makes telepathy effective? Repetition, and constantly holding and sending out the thought.

What's the best defense against "mind control"? Recognize the thought, reject the thought, and then stand firm. Within three days it will return to the sender. (This works with other psychic activities as well.....).

Senders beware!!!!!!!!! This is not a game to be played. Those who toy with these things often get exhausted, depressed, and some end up dead......I have witnessed this. Most suffer depression or bizzare series of accidents.

But, yes, I have experienced telepathy in ways too numerous to post here........be safe........Tannis.......

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Tannis]
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The other thing about telepathy and "other psychic abilities" is that many of these things don't just "happen" in the instant when the message is sent. They often manifest at around three days. Why? Why does Wicca speak of a three fold return? I don't know. That is just what I have often noticed, especially with telepathy. Maybe there is some cosmic significance to this.....but it is a mystery to me.


I think I can answer this. This time delay is a natural occurence in the 3rd dimension. It is the same with karma and many other things. A person may unwittingly harm someone else without ever realizing what they did, only to have the realization hit them at a later time. Thoughts manifest reality. That is a universal fact, but in the 3rd dimension, there is a slight time delay. This delay does not effect everything in this dimension obviously, but it does effect many things dealing with energies and frequencies. Only in the 4th dimension and above is this time delay obsolete. Telepathy is generally instantaneous, but as it is not widely practiced in the 3rd dimension, and due to the time delay, many times in our reality it is not instant.

The same rule applies for Karma, or the Universal law of balancing.. what comes around goes around. Or, for the scientists... every action has an equal and opposite reaction. A person may cause serious harm to someone without ever feeling the effects come back to them. Only to find that perhaps later in their life or even in the next life does their karmic debt come back around for them to balance. This leaves many people wondering what they did to deserve something that happened to them, because they are unable to connect the two events as there is a large delay in time. In the 4th density and above, the rule is instant karma. Any action or effect you have on someone else or your environment comes back to you at that very same moment. There can be no ignorance about what you do effecting your reality. You get to see the consequences of your actions immediately.

There is actually a very rational explanation for all of this. That is the frequency or vibration of sub-atomic particles. In the 3rd density, that vibration is 9,000-12,000 times per second. All things physical in the 3rd density vibrate somewhere in that frequency range. In the 4th density, the frequency is higher.. 12,000-15,000 times per second. A good analogy would be the speed of sound in open air compared to the speed of sound underwater.

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Tannis]
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Issac Bonowits wrote in "Real Magic" about how the presence of a skeptic, can shut down all other psychic activity.
Of course he wrote that. False mystics (are there any other kind?) hate for a well-reasoned person to be present. This statement is so nonsensical that I can hardly believe that you posted it.

I cannot leviate. Never could, never will. But I state that I can only levitate in the presence of believers. Absolutely no one can challenge me with this amazingly pathetic form of circular reasoning.

They can generate great amounts of psychic energy unknowingly and can stop healing...
So skeptics are much, much more powerful than believers! You are way too funny. Frauds swim in this type of double-speak. Are their authentic telepaths? Who knows, because with this type of thinking, they are totally indistinguishable from charlatans. (For the thousandth time: see my signature quote!)


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Swami]
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Actually, I believe that skeptics are not more powerful, but they do generate a lot of mental energy.

I believe that everyone is "psychic" for lack of a better word......skeptics seem to "throw around" a lot of that energy, so much so that it can interfere with other more "delicate" activities.

Saying a skeptic is more powerful is like saying that a wreaking ball is more powerful than a skilled surgeon. In a way that is true, but it disregards the delicate skill of what the surgeon and surgery can accomplish.

Skepticism can completely wreak the conditions necessary for some of the finer, more delicate operations to take place. Its not more powerful, it can just be more destructive.

Skeptics warn the masses about the dangers of believing, but believers also must be warned about the damage that a skeptic can do. If for no other reason.....so as not to waste time and energy on a person, or in an environment that will not produce the desired end results.

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: ]
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That's totally cool and makes a lot of sense. What suggestions do you have for me to learn more about the 3rd and 4th dimensions? Any links?
Information that I have found is at best sketchy........I like to compare my experiences with those of others as well to get clarity. Thanks!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Tannis]
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Saying a skeptic is more powerful is like saying that a wreaking ball is more powerful than a skilled surgeon.
Puh-lease! I (a skeptic) am a wrecking ball (certainly not wrecking lives like religious believers wars do) and Bin Ladin (a believer) is a skilled surgeon.

Your analogy doesn't make the least bit of sense nor does it tie in; except as a way to denigrate someone who does not accept your viewpoint - the very same social faux pas you have accused me of!

Skepticism can completely wreak the conditions necessary for some of the finer, more delicate operations to take place. Its not more powerful, it can just be more destructive.
Uh, huh. Like the Filipino psychic surgeons who remove disease from humans in the form of chicken guts hidden in the hand.

Do you accept 100% what everyone tells you? If so, you are a fool; if not you are a skeptic.

but believers also must be warned about the damage that a skeptic can do
As I have stated many times to deaf ears, real things work irregardless of belief. Get a primitive man in the room who does not believe in technology and my computer will still work (totally disproving your theory of skepticism making things fail). Only fraud, hoax, and misperception cannot stand up to the light of scrutiny. Any authentic phenomena will remain and not wither.

Your discussion of the paranormal reminds me of a magician that can only do his trick if the audience closes their eyes. It only works around people who are easily fooled.




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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Swami]
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Get a primitive man in the room who does not believe in technology and my computer will still work (totally disproving your theory of skepticism making things fail)

Umm.. you are comparing a computer (physical technology) to brain waves and psychic phenomenom?

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: ]
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I was comparing belief to belief. Belief is a mind-state and claimed to be the critical component.

Now you are saying the object is what's important. Hard to follow...


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Swami]
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The way I understand it is that when a subject is put in an environment of skeptics and non-believers he/she has a harder time creating paranormal activity.

I believe this to be so because I think a persons thoughts are a much more tangible thing than accepted by science at this time. If you subscribe to the Aether theory a persons thoughts or conciousness are vibrations of aether eminating from a person. When a person has negative skeptical thoughts about a subject performing paranormal activity, that subject has to work harder to overcome the negative vibes. Positive loving thoughts may cause the aether to vibrate faster while negative thoughts vibrate slower.

"Rigorous studies of the phenomenon of psychokinesis were conducted in the former Soviet Union and Czechoslovakia, later reported on in the unclassified Defense Intelligence Agency's Soviet and Czechoslovakian Parapsychology Research (U), by Mr. Louis F. Maire III and Major J.D. LaMoth, MSC, published September 1975. "

One such study was conducted on Nina Kulagina who, according to the document, was able to move objects through psychokenisis. "Furthermore, Kulagina's experiments with PK clearly demonstrate that the amount of love or sympathetic vibrations in the room had a noticeable effect on her results - skeptical, tense atmospheres created much more energetic stress on her than calm and relaxed, supportive situations. " http://ascension2000.com/ConvergenceIII/c302.htm
There is some other neat information in there if you get a chance to read it.
Maybe its a posibility, maybe not.

Peace. :smile:
   

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Swami]
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I didn't say the object is what is important. If you are going to make analogies like that you need to keep things in context. I was saying the computer is going to work regardless of who is in the room because it is a machine. Now if you brought a person or machine into that room that was emitting some sort of disrupting electromagnetic signal don't you think that would effect the computer?
Put a magnet on a computer screen or TV and see what happens.

Skeptics can cause as much disruptive energy as any magnet. A computer will not want to work if you cut off the power supply or pull out the motherboard, or if you fill the computer with a virus or fill the hard drive with performance hindering programs. Likewise a psychic will not perform as well with a skeptic in the room who emits a very negative energy. As I have said many times in the past, psychic abilities are greatly increased or hindered depending on their mood, or their thoughts. Psychic abilities are at their peak when the person is confident in their abilities, is relaxed, and letting things flow freely. Psychic abilities are greatly hindered or even stopped when the person is feeling anxious, stressed, under pressure to perform, and several other factors, which being in the presence of a skeptic would quite likely effect them in such a way.

If you don't believe in something you will probably never see it. When the settlers anchored their huge ship near the shore and brought rowboats onto the beach, the natives greeted them with awe, and asked them how they came across a great sea in such small rowboats. The settlers pointed at the great ship anchored within sight and said they had used that, but the natives did not see it. They could concieve of the small rowboats as they had used those themselves. But their reality did not include a massive ship complete with sails. Since they did not believe in the great ship, their consciousness removed it from their sight as that is a natural function of the ego... to simply block out something that threatens their view of reality.

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: ]
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What about people who would like to believe something is true, but would like it proven as well? Would they be giving off bad signals also? In your example of a computer screen and a magnet, there is another possibility of an unmagnetized piece of iron which will not disrupt the image of a cathode ray tube (only if exposed to certain forces will it become magnetized and hence disruptive).

Not everyone who doesn't believe is committed to the idea that the phenomena you extol the virtues of don't exist. Non belief in something is not the same as believing it doesn't exist. An agnostic is not the same as an atheist. There are different kinds of skeptics. There are those who hold to scientific dogma and are just as resistant to change in their model of their universe as any religious fundamentalist. There is another class (who I believe to be a minority of the skeptics) who realize that human knowledge of the universe is still quite incomplete, but they are not ready to blindly believe any claim that comes along just because someone says it's so. They remain curious and hopeful, but want some validation.

If telepathy and other paranormal phenomena do in fact exist, I would like to know about it. The explanations given so far makes it seem like you're using every excuse in the book as rationalizations, that perhaps you really don't believe what you say or you would rise to the challenge. I don't think this is what you intend, but this is the way it comes across and this can have an effect similar to magnetizing a piece of iron. If you think that your beliefs are valid, why can't you design a way of showing that they are valid instead of saying it can't be done because of one reason or another?

I want to believe.

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: ]
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I would love for it to be proven as much as anyone, I just don't think it would be as easy as a simple test. Just because I claim to have used telepathy does not mean I am fully aware of it and in control of it at all times. If I was, I would definetely rise to participate in such a test. Like anything, it requires patience and practice, it is a skill that must first be realized and harnessed to use its full potential. I think I have the first part down, I have realized that I can and have used it, but I have definetely not mastered it. One cannot sit down at a piano and play a Chopin song perfectly the first time.

I have absolutely no problem with open minded skeptics.. those who are willing to consider something could exist that has not yet been proven, and is open to it.. but still will not put full faith until it is proven. There is nothing wrong with that whatsoever. What does bother me is the skeptic attitude of, "This is completely false because it has not been proven and you are a fraud for thinking like that".. that is negative energy. One can be a skeptic without putting off a negative energy, by embracing the alleged claim and even wanting to believe it as you said, but not believing it until a personal experience happens with it, or it is proven through a test. A positive skeptic attitude does not hinder the abilities of a person, or even if it does, hinders MUCH less than a negative skeptic attitude. I consider that to be a healthy thing, a positive skeptic.

Again, I don't claim to be the best telepath in the world. In fact I seem to be a better sender of telepathy than a reciever. I have had many experiences that prove TO ME that telepathy exists beyond a shadow of a doubt, but it is not something I am aware of or in control of at all times in my life. To prove something like that, it would have to be consistent at all time. For me, it seems to come and go, usually when I am feeling full of energy and grateful that I am alive and completely in touch with nature... I am very telepathic. I am very sensitive to other's telepathic messages, and able to recieve and send them with crystal clarity. But a lot of the time I am not full of energy, perhaps a bit depressed, and out of touch with nature. During these times I can barely even concieve of telepathy. I have enough trouble listening to my own thoughts at those times.

If it appears like I am trying to avoid giving a clear answer, that is not what I am trying to do at all. I would love probably more than anyone for me or anyone to be able to prove that telepathy exists to the scientific community. However I think the key thing here is consistency, and hardly anyone is consistent all the time. These are mental abilities we are talking about here, mental abilities that not many people are aware of, and take a lot of practice to get used to. We are not talking about forces of nature or the laws of physics which are easily tested. It gets even more difficult when these abilities are not accepted by most people, and even discouraged. If everyone kept an open mind about it and was willing to accept that these things could in fact exist, without spouting their negativity all over that person, I think that would help greatly in proving the process exists.

Think of it this way... when a teacher or parent constantly tells their child that they are stupid or do horrible in school. 95% of the time that child will act stupid or purposely do bad in school because subconsciously they want that parent or teacher to be right. Likewise, if a parent treats their child with respect, and love, and constantly gives them kind words such as "You can do it, I believe in you", "You are a smart boy and I'm proud of you", that child will most likely behave better and do much better in school, and will likely show their intelligence more. This is psychology we are talking about here. Show support for the team, and that will boost their confidence, which will improve their performance. Tell the team they are doomed to failure because they are a bunch of no good losers, and see how well they perform then.

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: ]
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Think of it this way... when a teacher or parent constantly tells their child that they are stupid or do horrible in school. 95% of the time that child will act stupid or purposely do bad in school because subconsciously they want that parent or teacher to be right.
A true statement, but invalid analogy. If telepathy exists, is still follows some set of as yet unknown rules like everything else in the universe. The impressionability of children is not even remotley realted to these alleged powers.

...hardly anyone is consistent... [regarding telepathy]
Around and around the mulberry bush we go. If someone scores significantly above chance on Monday and significantly below chance on Tuesday, then on Monday they were "in tune" and "full of energy"; on Tuesday, they were tired and not focused. Net result: chance. A difference that makes no difference - blah, blah, blah.

To prove something like that, it would have to be consistent at all time.
Another false statement. Even partial telepathy should be easily demonstrable as the results will be ABOVE chance if it exists. I have yet to see any research scientist ask for 100%.

you are a fraud for thinking like that
If you were referring to my comments, I said that it is impossible to tell an authentic psychic from a fraud using the believer's logic. If I misunderstood, please point out the flaw in my assessment!



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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Swami]
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You're taking my post too personally.

I didn't say you were a wreaking ball, I said that skepticism has the force of a wreaking ball in its power, and that this kind of force can disrupt the conditions necessary for more delicate operations of psychic abilities to work. I cautioned in my posts not only about the skeptic, but also about blindly trusting the "supposed psychic". I've clearly stated that there is danger, and that operations of this nature can't be proven by logic......many remain unexplained. My information about how the skeptic can affect these operations comes from personal experience and from reading books ( which you simply disreguarded, stating that the author intentional set out to prove skeptics wrong....but you probably have not read his works).

So I'm a skeptic or a fool, huh.......so much for your posts NOT being a personal attack...

I like the analogy about the primative man and the computer, but it doesn't fit the situation I'm speaking of. Skepticism, is a powerful energetic force that is projected outward. I have personally found that it can prevent the conditions necessary for other operations to function. Belief is a powerful factor in the equation, but there are other things involved.

The rest of your post is again the arguement that unless I play by your rules and accept your logic then I am completely wrong. This is pointless, since you seem to just be interested in debunking what you don't understand. The other side of this coin being that if I am in the very least right, and you are claiming to be a "skeptic" then maybe you have some responsibility about using your energy wisely.

As I've said before, I think that you have a lot to offer everyone here, and that your cautions are in many cases warrented. Anything of a mystical nature does have its dangers.

If you chose to call yourself a skeptic, or whatever......I wish you peace. For me, I like my world a bit of a magical place, and I'm not the mindless fool that your posts tend to insinuate that I am. I just chose to believe, as opposed to not believing. I would not be nearly so far along in life as I am now if had required "scientific proof" for everything along the way. In fact my health would be very poor had I taken the scientific evidence to heart when the doctor gave me the news.

I'm sorry that you don't find my examples and experience helpful, but maybe others do.........




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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Tannis]
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So I'm a skeptic or a fool, huh.......so much for your posts NOT being a personal attack...
It is hardly personal if you read the ENTIRE statement, but you take it out of context so that you can feel all emotional. What would you call someone who 100% accepts every story that they are told? (which is what I posted.)

If calling someone a skeptic is a personal attack, why have you not brought that point up to other posters when I have been I have been called a skeptic? At least be consistent in your outrage.

mindless fool ?
Please do not do that. When I respond I use the posters EXACT words. Don't tell me what I insuate as that is mere interpretation and may or may not be true.

I've clearly stated that there is danger, and that operations of this nature can't be proven by logic...
I have never asked once how it works (the logic behind it) on this board. Demonstration, not logic, is what is asked for. If telepathy exists or skepticism has the power of a wrecking ball then it can be demonstrated. Why is that concept so hard to grasp?

So which is it; a powerful force (a wrecking ball) or a subtle force? Or do you want it both ways? Consistency please!



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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Tannis]
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We have had this entire conversation/debate, and no one has physically talked to each other, and most of us are hundreds and thousands of miles apart. If you had told this to someone a hundred years ago they would have told you that you are crazy.

I'm not saying that this conversation we are having right now IS telepathy.. but it's pretty damn close. My thoughts are not going straight into your mind, but rather I put my thoughts down and you read them. You don't have to read them, but you do. This is very different than actual TALKING, because none of us are actually talking to each other.. we are sharing our thoughts.

I know for a fact many people can write their thoughts much better than they can speak them. I am one of them. First you must recognize that no one here has verbally communicated on this thread. We have never met each other, and yet, we are sharing our deepest thoughts and philosophies. My theory is that the internet is preparing us for telepathic communication, because this is the closest thing we have right now that everyone can actually see and feel and use.

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: ]
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Humm, interesting.............
.......you cause me again to think.............

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: ]
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Umm.. you are comparing a computer (physical technology) to brain waves and psychic phenomenom?
Ok, so I can't compare a computer to psychic phenomena...

I'm not saying that this conversation we are having right now IS telepathy.. but it's pretty damn close.
But wait, I can compare a computer to psychic phenomena...

Hard to keep up with your logic when it changes in just a few hours.

I'm not saying that this conversation we are having right now IS telepathy.. but it's pretty damn close.
As previously stated, the mechanics of the two modes of communication are entirely different, one using physics and the other using...? The internet does not portend telepathy, nor lay the foundation for it. The two are in no way even remotely related.

If you had told this to someone a hundred years ago they would have told you that you are crazy.
What do technological advances requiring huge infrastructures and breakthroughs in almost every field of science have to do with telepathy which requires zero technology nor infrastructure? An emotional state of disbelief or amazement is hardly a linking factor to the two by any stretching of logic.
Yes, in a hundred years we have created some outstanding forms of communication, but after a million years of possible telepathic communication, it still remains undemonstrable.




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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Swami]
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Thanks for not thinking of me as a mindless fool.

I haven't brought up the point about you being called the skeptic in other posts because I usually don't defend other posters.....I let them do that, which you do quite well. I've found that when I've attempted to defend another poster, they get upset and say that I don't understand what they are saying.

Demonstration....not logic......hummmm......I don't know how to do that in a post other than sharing my experiences and that's what I've attempted to do.......but this does involve the reader (you or anyone) to believe I am telling the straight up truth. I shared about the girl who was angry with me and confessed this. Then I told her it wasn't one time, but three, and then gave her the exact days and times that this occurred. I think that this is more than just coincidence. It spanned a Tuesday through Friday period of time and the girl and I had no contact during that time or on the weekend. And this brings up another aspect of "telepathy"......I didn't "attempt" to read her thoughts or to "do" anything. It just happened! I felt her anger, I felt it was unjust.....and this was while I was going about my daily tasks, not even thinking of her or of "psychic" abilities. The point being, how can I demonstrate something that just "happens" to me?

Is it a powerful force or subtle one? Both I guess with one affecting the other..........

Like I said, I don't fully understand but I share what I know. I didn't ask for this.....it just happens to me........

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Swami]
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Ok, so I can't compare a computer to psychic phenomena...


You missed my point. You were saying that a primitive person will have no effect on a computer regardless of whether he believes in it or not. That's true.. but refer to my magnet analogy.

As previously stated, the mechanics of the two modes of communication are entirely different, one using physics and the other using...? The internet does not portend telepathy, nor lay the foundation for it. The two are in no way even remotely related.


That is your opinion

What do technological advances requiring huge infrastructures and breakthroughs in almost every field of science have to do with telepathy which requires zero technology nor infrastructure?

Telepathy requires breakthroughs in awareness and advances in consciousness. The same change, just in a different medium.

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: ]
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That is your opinion
Thank you for your in-depth response showing the correlation between two disparate subjects.


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Swami]
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Anytime

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: ]
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.........fun time.........me goes to cleanse a house where strange things take place.......then on to a new job...........mommy is calling.........catch "yawl" on the rebound.............

.......if this stuff doesn't work.......how come my life is so interesting?????????????????????
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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Jared]
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yes it exists... don't think about it, just enjoy the journey to getting it.

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: staedtler]
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No evidence of telepathy.:shrug: All tests have failed. But of course that won't convince many here.:monkeydance:


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
No evidence of telepathy.:shrug: All tests have failed. But of course that won't convince many here.:monkeydance:


You're missing something, this isn't giving you ecstasy... go back to the drawing board and be honest with every decision.

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: staedtler]
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"You're missing something, this isn't giving you ecstasy... go back to the drawing board and be honest with every decision."

:etjesus:  deep man, deep. could you spell it out in language for us mere humans?


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: staedtler]
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there is evidence for empathy
and lots of cases of a good sense of timing
timing-epathy probably underlies the most compelling instances of telepathy.


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
No evidence of telepathy.:shrug: All tests have failed. But of course that won't convince many here.:monkeydance:


Disregarding how subjective and misleading the mind can be... when is witness testimony and personal experience enough? 

I can say that at my most absolutely insane point in my life, I experienced precognition multiple times, with multiple witnesses, AND did one of those "choose the correct card out of these 5" and got it right 6 out of 10 times, which is 156:1 chance.

Can I prove that to anyone except the people who witnessed it?  Nope.  Could I control it?  Nope.  Can I do it now?  Nope.  Has it happened in the two years or so since then?  Nope. 

These were events beyond pattern recognition, or delusions of reference, or any other explanation other than true psychic phenomenon. 

The point is, until there is absolute proof measurable under controlled conditions, that won't convince certain people, and that's find.  Some people need to know beyond a shadow of a doubt.  It's either black or white for some.

But keep in mind... Ice was cold before we had thermometers and freezers.


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Anonymous]
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Ive witnessed telekinesis first hand right in front of my face.  I will never forget it as long as I live.

I was at a club one night with a bunch of friends, celebrating my friends B-day.  One of her cousins was there that I had never met before.  Louie was his name.  Ill never forget it.  First he levitated a cigarette.  The thing was seriously just chillin in the air like a foot from my face.  Then he pulled out a deck of cards and had me pick one and inspect it.  Just a regular card.  So he puts it down on the table and places his left hand on the table about six inches to the left of the card.  Then with his right hand he began wiggling and jiggling his fingers above the card.  He then began to push at the card without touching it as if there was a buffer of energy or something.  After a few pushes, the card began to budge  and then it straight up slid across the table and jumped up into his left hand.  He did this twice right in front of my face.  There were no magnets or tricks.  Then he told my friend whos b-day it was to stick out her pointer finger and concentrate on feeling extreme heat in the tip.  He then took a penny that I inspected and bent it around her finger tip. I m not talking a small bend.  The thing was seriously bent in half.  Then he told me to try and rip the deck of cards in half.  Im a pretty strong guy,  like 6'1" 195 pounds been working out for ten years.  I didnt have a chance in hell of ripping that deck in half.  So Louie who was like 5'6" 145 pounds takes the deck and rips it in half right in front of me. 

You could see him actually starting to get drained as he was doing this stuff.  He would have to take breaks in between to let himself recover.

There were like 5 other people there that saw it too including my roommate.  Everybody was in awe and gitty as all hell.  There was a LOT of positive energy within our group and me and all my friends are very open minded about that stuff.  Ive actually used telekinesis in  lucid dreams many times.  I honestly didnt think I would ever see it.


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: postanaldrip]
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I would like to note before any skeptics ask,  I was completely sober at the time this happened.


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: jonathanseagull]
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Disregarding how subjective and misleading the mind can be... when is witness testimony and personal experience enough?


I do believe they have tested it in the lab many many times. Failure.

Any one can say they experience telepathy. In fact it's a favorite around here. It's nonsense really as far as I can tell. Wishful thinking of those who want power but have none.



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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Icelander]
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It has already been scientifically proven through experiments that some animals, like dogs are telepathic.

I've had many experiences with it myself, and you can too by simply silencing your mind and learning to control your thoughts.. this world is way more mysterious and complex than you think. The biggest mistake I made in my life was thinking science had alread figured it all out, but it's still far away... science can't even explain gravity yet (except for "bending of space-time"..lol), how is it supposed to explain telepathy?

Think about it, how are you supposed to know which are your thoughts and which are the thoughts of someone else if you keep on talking to yourself inside your head nonstop? Impossible. It's like claiming sound doesn't exist when you have your fingers plugged in your ears... LOL.

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Diaboleros]
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It has already been scientifically proven through experiments that some animals, like dogs are telepathic.


Sources please. Not that I don't believe you but I don't.

As a one time dog trainer and one who has owned many dogs I have found rational explanations for all their behaviors. They are much more observant and focused then most humans.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
I have found rational explosions for all their behaviors


You cruel bastard


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: mr_kite]
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That was lightning fast editing you did there


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Jared]
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You can predict behaviour & thoughts by observing & becoming more aware of patterns

Like the orbit of planets around the sun, thoughts, feelings & behaviour orbit around us according to the attention we give them

If we are very close to someone we can pick up on what they are feeling/thinking, although they could be smiling on the surface we could sense they are deeply sad, its just feeling energy, is that telepathic? Being sensitive?



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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: mr_kite]
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mr_kite said:
That was lightning fast editing you did there


I come from Krypton.:shrug:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Icelander]
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And run around in red and blue tights yelling, "I can fly! I can fly!"

Now come along quietly. You don't want to wear the straitjacket again, do you?


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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You don't want to wear the straitjacket again, do you?

Well... it is a little chilly out. I guess I could wear it until I warm up a little. Or... I could use my x ray vision to start a fire in your mobile home.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Disregarding how subjective and misleading the mind can be... when is witness testimony and personal experience enough?


I do believe they have tested it in the lab many many times. Failure.

Any one can say they experience telepathy. In fact it's a favorite around here. It's nonsense really as far as I can tell. Wishful thinking of those who want power but have none.




Sure, anyone can say they have experienced telepathy.  I said it.  I'm dead serious.  And I'm all about logical, rational, linear thinking.  Yet, my experiences point to another aspect of reality that you just happen to disbelieve and then came up with some opinionated rationalization to support your belief.  But in the end, your belief is simply a belief. 

If telepathy was accepted by the majority, a new paradigm would form in which everyone believed in it despite experience or proof.  Just the same that has occurred with the paradigm shift involving aliens.

But that is besides the point.  Science is a belief system the same as any other, with defined boundaries of measurement, thus limited.

This exact argument has occurred so many times on this forum that it's absurd.  Nobody budges until they experience it themselves.  Even then, they might be tricked by the mind or by others.  But there have been plenty of verifiable cases with plenty of witnesses.  It just did happen in a lab.  Also, in my case it couldn't be controlled, so it is what it is.

People place far too much faith in science, which is consistently proving itself inaccurate and constantly changing.


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: jonathanseagull]
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People place far too much faith in science, which is consistently proving itself inaccurate and constantly changing.

Science never said it could find truth (final accuracy). Still it's by far the best tool we have to test our natural world and ourselves. I think the track record is clear on this.

The problem as I see it is that subjectively evaluating our experiences by emotional guesswork usually is incorrect. And really without the structure of scientific evaluation most of what we believe is based on our emotions. Personally I would love to believe in my telepathic abilities along with shape changing and superman flying and all sorts of fun and interesting things. But I have no evidence of the likelihood  of these things unless I emotionally talk myself into them.

So like the concept of God. I will take the simplest explanation to be the most likely. We don't need god to make the world work. But it sure feels nice to have someone looking out for you. Daddy wise.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
As a one time dog trainer and one who has owned many dogs I have found rational explanations for all their behaviors. They are much more observant and focused then most humans.


Sorry but your personal experience with dogs does not count as a valid scientifical experiment. LOL. Anyway all sources provided by me will be called unreliable because they don't stroke with your beliefs. It's not forbidden to inform yourself you know... you're the only one who can convince yourself.

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Diaboleros]
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In other words your post was full of shit. I thought so. So nice to see you back here.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: jonathanseagull]
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Quote:
Science is a belief system


Sorry, but not even close. Science is a methodology.

Belief is not required nor necessary.


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Icelander]
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How do you explain the experience I wrote about before?  I witnessed telekinesis, first hand.  No magic, no trickery, no slight of hand. 

The dude took a cigarette out of somebody else's pack and made the fucking thing levitate and hover in mid air a foot from my face.  There was no strings, props, nothing.  He bent a penny in half over someones fingertip.  I checked the penny before and after and it was the exact same penny only bent in half.  You ever tried to bend a penny in half?  No way right.  Youd have to slam on it with a hammer or something.

And dont say Im lying, because I am not.  It wasnt a dream.  It wasnt my imagination.  It was real, and I feel like I met that guy for a reason. 

If you would have been in my shoes you would be singing a way different tune.


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: postanaldrip]
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Well unfortunately, for all we know you could be a compulsive liar or just trying to fuck with us...

So, sorry if you really saw telekinesis, because it'll be a bitch trying to convince anybody who wasn't there with you.

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Sleepwalker]
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You can either accept it or not.  But dont call me a liar.


You skeptics are in for a rude awakening.  And for the record, im not trying to fuck with anybody.  I have absolutely no reason to whatsoever.



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Edited by Veritas (11/06/08 09:24 AM)

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: postanaldrip]
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I never said I don't believe you.  I'm saying you can't prove it.  Do you disagree?

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Sleepwalker]
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No, Youre right.  I shouldnt have assumed that that was your position.

Im not trying to prove anything though, im just trying to pry peoples minds open just enough for them to accept the possibility that these things might exist.


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: postanaldrip]
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I have been to many a magic show wherein objects were levitated, etc.

Many gullible people thought that they witnessed something extraordinary instead of an illusion.

If your friend was for real, he could have licked up a cool million instead of impressing people at a bar or party, but he knows he could not fool a professional.

The open mind argument holds no water.


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Where's the satisfaction in instantly raking in the millions?

If I had superpowers I know I'd just fuck with people at bars.


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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So dont believe it, I dont really care. 

Edited by Veritas (11/06/08 09:22 AM)

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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You ever seen a magician bend a penny around somebody elses fingertip from less than 2 feet away?  It was not slight of hand.  I was instructed to inspect the penny.  The date, mint, and one unique feature of the penny. 

How does one fake ripping a deck of cards in half?  Especially a guy that looked like he could only bench 135 lbs.

Its not like I was in an audience 50 feet from the stage.  That space is what makes it easy to fool people.   

There are no doubts when it is directly in front of your face.

The guy seriously had a calm and strange aura about him.  Like he didnt have a care in the world.


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: postanaldrip]
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Maya

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Quote:
The open mind argument holds no water.
D4D0C8


What? seriously? Thats not what Im arguing at all.  I just posted my story.  Thats all.  I did mention that I am open minded but NOWHERE did I say that that had anything to do with making it possible for this guy to do this stuff.

You thinking that you're going to change my mind into believing I saw a magic trick is as hopeless as me trying to convince you of even the possibility of telepathy or telekinesis.


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: daytripper23]
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Whats that supposed to mean?


Just because the movie poster says "Nothing is what it seems"  Im supposed to discount my experiences and beliefs?  Please.


Or are you just posting that for the hell of it?


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: postanaldrip]
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First you offer a story to make a point then say you don't care what anyone thinks. Which is it?

So you are saying that close-up magicians cannot fool people? How much are you willing to wager?

Why should your story carry more weight than those giddy witnesses who swear they saw something paranormal watching one of Criss Angel's illusions?


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Quote:
First you offer a story to make a point then say you don't care what anyone thinks. Which is it?




You are totally implying that I was trying to make some point.  Wrong!  I was simply telling a story,  nothing more, nothing less.  Thats why I dont care what anybody thinks.


Quote:
So you are saying that close-up magicians cannot fool people? How much are you willing to wager?



Uh, no.  Thats not what im saying at all.  You are wrong again.  Ive seen really good slight of hand at the magic castle in hollywood.  So I know what that looks like.  The stuff this guy was doing was not in the catergory of slight of hand at all.


Quote:
Why should your story carry more weight than those giddy witnesses who swear they saw something paranormal watching one of Criss Angel's illusions?
D4D0C8


Strike three and you are out!  Im not trying to say my story should or does carry more weight than anybody else's.  You just imply and assume, imply and assume. 

So you dont believe me, thats fine.  Im done conversing with you.


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: postanaldrip]
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This is Steve Fearson's floating cigarette routine:


Ripping a phonebook:


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: postanaldrip]
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lol

I posted that to indicate that it is a good movie, not a good poster genius.

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: daytripper23]
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I have no opinion one way or the other on telepathy, but be mindful that sometime it's wise not to be so open-minded that your brains have fallen out.


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
In other words your post was full of shit. I thought so. So nice to see you back here.


Brilliant argumentation. :thumbup:

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: postanaldrip]
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And dont say Im lying, because I am not.

:rofl2: Man is that statement  silly or what?

I'm supposed to believe someone I don't know-- why?:crazy2:

I also would have to believe that you were capable of interpreting your experiences correctly.

Get real.:thumbdown:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Edited by Icelander (11/06/08 12:29 PM)

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Diaboleros]
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Diaboleros said:
Icelander said:
In other words your post was full of shit. I thought so. So nice to see you back here.


Brilliant argumentation. :thumbup:


You posted nothing to debate, as usual.:thumbdown:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Icelander]
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Diaboleros, OC, Icelander & postanaldrip:  Please address your remarks to the IDEAS being debated & not those debating them.  Any further posts regarding other posters will result official warnings & entry into the Ban-o-Matic system.

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Diaboleros]
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Diaboleros said:
It has already been scientifically proven through experiments that some animals, like dogs are telepathic.



Burden of proof is on the claimant.  As you have chosen to state that this claim has been scientifically proven, it is up to you to provide outside verification of said proof.

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Veritas]
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I'd certainly love to see it.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Icelander]
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I'm surprised more people haven't had obviously telepathic experiences on mushrooms or maybe they just don't want to remember.
I've known who was calling before I answered, had friends answer questions I didn't ask out loud and have had friends describe things I was hallucinating.

It seems obvious to me that ESP is real yet it's intimate, involuntary, spontaneous and unrepeatable.

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Middleman]
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Middleman said:
I'm surprised more people haven't had obviously telepathic experiences on mushrooms or maybe they just don't want to remember.
I've known who was calling before I answered, had friends answer questions I didn't ask out loud and have had friends describe things I was hallucinating.

It seems obvious to me that ESP is real yet it's intimate, involuntary, spontaneous and unrepeatable.


I've experienced plenty of psychedelic telepathic experiences, and even confirmed their occurrence at the time through empirical tests (I would send a message to my friend in the same room telling him when precisely to say something and what word to say, and vice versa) and this was verified multiple times to my great disbelief.

It's very hard to instantaneously dismiss this as a drug-induced illusion--I'm still trying.


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Middleman]
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and unrepeatable.

Right now by telepathy I can see you at your computer reading this. :whoa: My god I can do it.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Icelander]
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Now, now, that's remote viewing.  Can't mix up our mystical phenomena... :nonono:


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Veritas]
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Veritas said:
Diaboleros said:
It has already been scientifically proven through experiments that some animals, like dogs are telepathic.



Burden of proof is on the claimant.  As you have chosen to state that this claim has been scientifically proven, it is up to you to provide outside verification of said proof.


One magical word: google. 

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Diaboleros]
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No, it is not up to others to prove your claims for you.  This is a basic premise of debate.  :nono:

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Veritas]
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Is it against to rules to send a telepathic personalism?


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Experiment:

When in a crowded room pick a person and picture them in your mind's eye while looking away for 30 seconds.
Then clear your mind and take a deep breath and the person will turn and look at you.

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Middleman]
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Of course you are looking at them or you wouldn't see them look at you.. I tried this randomly without clearing my mind and taking a deep breath but just looking at folk. I got the same results.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Middleman]
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*sigh* You DO realize that doing this under controlled circumstances would qualify for the Randi Millions AND the Swami $20,000, do you not?

Now give us a totally lame reason why you do not want the money. :rolleyes:

Oh, that's right! Not one believer in the entire world wants more money.


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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The more money you have, the less telepathic powers you have (or need).  :shrug:


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
*sigh* You DO realize that doing this under controlled circumstances would qualify for the Randi Millions AND the Swami $20,000, do you not?

Now give us a totally lame reason why you do not want the money. :rolleyes:

Oh, that's right! Not one believer in the entire world wants more money.


Just try it maaaaaaan.

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Icelander]
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He said, 'clearing your mind' not 'clearing your throat'. When someone sounds like they are about to hack up a fur ball, people tend to look around. :yesnod:


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Middleman]
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Good response. However I have tried it and told you my response.

True beleivers (your beliefs dude) are never convinced by the facts.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Icelander]
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I presume you're in possession of the only true facts?


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: deCypher]
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Not likely. But any attempt at rational thinking ups the odds.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Middleman]
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Nonresponsive. Why do you not just try the Randi Millions? Afraid they will show you where the error in your thinking lies?


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Our powers of intuition can also be developed by guessing the time before we look and guessing at questions before we receive the answer.

You'd be amazed by how often you're right.

Cue witty quip about how often you're right.

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: deCypher]
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The Cypher said:
I presume you're in possession of the only true facts?


Actually, he does have them locked in a small golden chest, but to admit it is to invite certain death from The Illuminati.


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Middleman]
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Quote:
Cue witty quip about how often you're right.


My accuracy is a matter of record.

52 Swami Challenges and my money remains intact.


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Icelander: protector and valiant defender of the one & only Truth.

What is this Swami challenge I keep hearing so much about?  I feel this was before my time...


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Nonresponsive. Why do you not just try the Randi Millions? Afraid they will show you where the error in your thinking lies?


I watched his test of homeopathy and it WORKED the first time but then he welched on his bet and changed the criteria which prohibited the experimenters from KNOWING which ones were the controls when it is THE INTENT OF THE EXPERIMENTER that makes homeopathy work.

I'm passionate about this issue because I see the evidence out there and I see how the scientific community is biased against actually seeing it. I don't believe in ESP 100% but I strongly suspect it's real, the possibility and implications excite me.

Anyway, I'm not here to debate this with you for the umpteenth time I'm here to share tek with the magical folk so I bid you good day sir.

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Middleman]
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Middleman said:
I watched his test of homeopathy and it WORKED the first time but then he welched on his bet and changed the criteria which prohibited the experimenters from KNOWING which ones were the controls when it is THE INTENT OF THE EXPERIMENTER that makes homeopathy work.


Have you read my thread in P&S on why the scientific method is flawed when it comes to investigating these sorts of belief-based phenomena?


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: deCypher]
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Do a search. It's easy.

1. Basically a poster makes a definitive statement as to what they can do that is out of the ordinary (read: impossible).

2. The I use their own words and offer $20K for them to do it in front of me.

3. The 10 pages of nonresponsive posts and insults follow wiht no takers.

Conclusion: Its all about the S-Rays (skeptical radiation).


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Good response. However I have tried it and told you my response.

True beleivers (your beliefs dude) are never convinced by the facts.


So since it didn't work for you it must not work for anyone else?

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Middleman]
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I'm here to share tek with the magical folk 

Wrong forum.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Middleman]
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Middleman said:
Icelander said:
Good response. However I have tried it and told you my response.

True beleivers (your beliefs dude) are never convinced by the facts.


So since it didn't work for you it must not work for anyone else?


Didn't say that now did I? You suggested an experiment and I gave you results. Quit whining.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Middleman]
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Quote:
I see how the scientific community is biased against actually seeing it.


All 50,000,000 scientists worldwide are biased. Is this your paranoid and erroneous stance?

Perhaps they are biased against non-evidence?


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Do a search. It's easy.

1. Basically a poster makes a definitive statement as to what they can do that is out of the ordinary (read: impossible).

2. The I use their own words and offer $20K for them to do it in front of me.

3. The 10 pages of nonresponsive posts and insults follow wiht no takers.

Conclusion: Its all about the S-Rays (skeptical radiation).


In this experimental methodology, I would actually say that you haven't properly controlled for S-rays.  A more proper experiment to test telepathy or remote-viewing would be to think of a sentence or a particular object, PM this to an unbiased member as a matter of record, and challenge any mystically-inclined, telepathic Shroomerites to glean the identity of the sentence or object from your cavernous mind: this way we've eliminated all S-rays emanating from your perspicuous disbelief (as would most certainly be generated if they were required to do it in front of you) while not having to wear tinfoil hats.

:tinfoil:

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Post deleted by Veritas

Reason for deletion: Play nice.


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Icelander]
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Quote:
Quit whining.


Well then, we might as well close down the forum and go play elsewhere.


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Reason for deletion: Refers to deleted post.



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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: deCypher]
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Quote:
A more proper experiment...


Seems you missed the point entirely.

They are not interested in testing protocol, just swapping dope stores about how their dog knows when they are tripping and they and their gf both thought of a recently popular song at the same time.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Quote:
A more proper experiment...


Seems you missed the point entirely.

They are not interested in testing protocol, just swapping dope stores about how their dog knows when they are tripping and they and their gf both thought of a recently popular song at the same time.


Then "they" are obviously not very intelligent nor interested in any kind of proper scientific method.  I support mysticism only in so far as it can be backed up.

...cue "not at all."


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Icelander]
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Too bad you do not have an 'in' with a moderator... :frown:


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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I'm working on it.:doggystyle:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Tannis]
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Im skeptical of the skeptics
that makes me skeptical of even my own statement regarding myself being skeptic of the skeptics

peace :ooo:


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Middleman]
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Mr. Middle said:
Icelander said:
Good response. However I have tried it and told you my response.

True beleivers (your beliefs dude) are never convinced by the facts.


So since it didn't work for you it must not work for anyone else?


If it works it should work. Not only for true believers. :lol:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Icelander]
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While the stinker stinks, the groover grooves.

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Middleman]
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Hard to think one's way out of rice jars.

I put a lot of honest effort into that experiment.:satansmoking:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Icelander]
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How are you to measure another plane, without actually being there?

I believe our minds could exist on an alternate plane.

Take cold fusion for example.

They get it to work 3 out of 10 times, and its called erronous.

Outside the box is, literally, outside the box.

As in another place.

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: teknix]
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You believe?

How nice.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Jared]
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Your explanation for the mechanics of telepathy is very accurate; as I've come to understand it, our brains and the chemicals within them (especially psychedelic compounds when we ingest them) are indeed "quantum radio antennae" receiving different waves of energy from different levels/dimensions of reality; these waves different of energy as decoded as different sensory interpretations of our surroundings: different "quantum radio stations".

That's why when two people take psychedelics together and they already are "on similar enough wavelengths" vibrationally, they both pick up the same energy of the particular psychedelic substance that they ingested, and this energy influences their entire brains to become even more vibrationally synchronized to the point where they can see the same images of reality in their mind's eye.

In the video below, I provide several sources of official scientific documentation for these instances of psychedelic telepathy.

Brainwave synchronization can also be achieved through electromagnetic stimulation; that's why this also allows for telepathic communication, and I provide the sources of scientific evidence for this electromagnetic telepathy as well.

If we can take psychedelics together (particularly LSD and DMT at the same time) while at the same time having our brainwaves electromagnetically synchronized, then we can form an even clearer, even more reliable telepathic connection with each other, and we can use that telepathic connection to accelerate the exchange of abstract concepts of reality between each other's minds, so that we can truly understand each other.

We'll also then understand how to work together to stop all the world's suffering, and then do it as efficiently as possible; that's what I propose enough of us do together, and I explain this process in further detail in as well - NOT selling anything for money, just offering honest information and a real solution :heart:


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: mentalunity]
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can you provide your references in text rather than a video of a powerpoint presentation.


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