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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
    #4223788 - 05/26/05 06:16 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I am of the belief that it doesn't work. Lets get that out of the way.

Still I like to keep the door open and think about the posibility of it. If it was a latent talent that might be developed after some evolutionaly time, it might crop up from time to time now in a distorted or incomplete form.  Under pressure it might not work where under the right conditions of relaxation and abandon it could. Who knows. It might only happen once in your lifetime under ideal conditions. But to talk of it as a fact is nonsense given the evidence.

Keep tryin there folks, the $1,000,000 is waiting. :thumbup:


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
    #4223809 - 05/26/05 06:21 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Diploid said:
Why you don't go get Randi's $1,000,000 rather than, like all mystics ever do, you sit here and TALK about it. :syringe:



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Honestly, what do you think would happen after you prooved to this guy under his conditions that you could do it....?  I invision a car driving away with the person that prooved this ability in the back seat, never to be seen or heard from again....  Except when the government agent/doctors started poking and disecting your brain - in the name of science....

A million bucks might go a long way on Ebay, but if you don't have an address, what would be the point....?    :shrug:


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Icelander]
    #4223824 - 05/26/05 06:25 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

it might crop up from time to time

I'd accept this but for the fact that controlled tests seeking evidence of telepathy and other paranormal claims have been going on for a hundred years. Even if the events are rare and difficult to reproduce, some inkling of them should have appeared by now. It hasn't.


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Re: telepathy test [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #4223840 - 05/26/05 06:29 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Honestly, what do you think would happen after you prooved to this guy under his conditions

I invision a car driving away with the person that prooved this ability in the back seat, never to be seen or heard from again


Absurd conspiracy theories aside, you would get paid.

The money is held in the form of immediately negotiable bonds held by Goldman Sachs of New York, a highly respected investment firm. Anyone can verify that the money exists by requesting the information in writing from the JREF. They will in turn forward you the most recent account statement from Goldman Sachs.

Additionally, the JREF is a 'tax exempt' organization, so they are required by law to have a level of financial transparency. That means that the public can request things like an annual report and copies of JREF's 990 (the tax return non-profits file). Go to http://atgdata.fdncenter.org/990search/search.php to look up JREF's 990.

Contained within these types of documents is enough information to verify that the organization does indeed have special assets in a reserved account to cover the prize, should it ever be won. The contract between the claimant and JREF is binding enough that the JREF must pay the prize if someone wins it. As a savvy applicant, all you need to do is verify that the organization has the funds to cover the prize. Also, if JREF were not able to hold up its end of the bargain, the IRS would investigate and pull the JREF's tax exempt status. It would mean severe penalties for the JREF, and Randi himself would also be personally liable and subject to potential incarceration. Rest assured: the money is there.

Do you have any other absurdities you'd like to use to obfuscate the real reason you will not apply for the challenge, i.e. you can only TALK about your powers but cannot demonstrate them??


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2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
    #4223857 - 05/26/05 06:35 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Diploid said:
Do you have any other absudities you'd like to you to obfuscate the real reason you will not apply for the challenge, e.i. you can only talk about your powers but cannot demonstrate them??



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Whooooaaaa~....!  :whoa:  I don't remember ME claiming anything....!  Do you....? 
I was just interested in the topic and the HOME tests on telepathy....   
I think I have stated that a few times now.... 
I have no more powers than you....    :wink:


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
    #4223865 - 05/26/05 06:37 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

There is also a chance to get a million (of your local currency) In "who wants to be a millionaire" yet mayn do not want to go.

Does that mean they are not capable of getting some money there? No, everyone gets at least a thousant.

Why do I not go to that show? I don't want to be on TV, or in any media, I don't feel like traveling to the capital. I don't feel like doing anything. I want to be home.


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Re: telepathy test [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4223883 - 05/26/05 06:42 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Only a select few can enter a game show.

A-N-Y-O-N-E who has genuine paranomal abilites can win Randi's $1,000,000. They have only to demonstrate what they TALK endlessly about. :syringe:

Talk is cheap, and that's all mystics ever do. :noway:


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2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
    #4223893 - 05/26/05 06:46 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

ANYONE can APPLY for the game show, and I would never even like to try


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Re: telepathy test [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4223916 - 05/26/05 06:54 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

ANYONE can APPLY for the game show, and I would never even like to try

Anyone can apply to a game show, and thousand do, but there are only so many slots. Only a tiny fraction of game show applicants get a shot at the money. What does this have to do with the price of tea?

Anyone can apply for the Randi challenge and everyone who applies is given an opportunity to demonstrate what they claim.

Cut to the chase: why do you continue to talk and talk rather than go win the money? It costs you nothing to try. :syringe:


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

Edited by Diploid (05/26/05 07:21 PM)

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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
    #4223924 - 05/26/05 06:56 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I've toled you already why not. I don't have any evidence with me. What could I show them?


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
    #4223936 - 05/26/05 07:00 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Have you applied to the test, or have you seen others get tested....?

Just curious - you said that you lived down the road from the guy....

If I had an ability, I don't know as I would want to proove it to anyone....  Not just to "proove" it anyways.... 
I don't like to be "put on the spot"....    :grin:


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Re: telepathy test [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #4223954 - 05/26/05 07:05 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Have you applied to the test

Of course not. What paranormal powers would I demonstrate? My killer cooking skills don't count. :tongue:

If I had an ability, I don't know as I would want to prove it to anyone

Not even to get rich? OK.

Note to audience: at this point the usual objection is that mystics are not interested in money. To which I reply that if they so object to money, they could do a worthy charity a great service by donating the million bucks.


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
    #4226043 - 05/27/05 10:40 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Diploid said:
it might crop up from time to time

I'd accept this but for the fact that controlled tests seeking evidence of telepathy and other paranormal claims have been going on for a hundred years. Even if the events are rare and difficult to reproduce, some inkling of them should have appeared by now. It hasn't.




I hear ya. But what I'm saying is being so fragile and chaotic, these undeveloped powers would brake down under scientific testing, maybe there is a stress involved.

Many people have had some event in there live that they may have no explanation for. Maybe a few of these folks aren't kidding themselves.

Once we thought man would never fly. Who knows. In fact I think we just might have some powers that we don't know how to use yet. My eyes are open. :heart: :mushroom2:


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Icelander]
    #4226359 - 05/27/05 12:16 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

man cant fly, man-built machines can.

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Re: telepathy test [Re: Doom]
    #4226384 - 05/27/05 12:20 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Doom said:
man cant fly, man-built machines can.




The point for me is that we used our minds to build them and they are an extension of our totality.

Once man thought that impossible, like running the 4 minute mile.  As soon as someone did the impossible many more quickly did. :mushroom2:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: telepathy test [Re: Icelander]
    #4226615 - 05/27/05 01:09 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Many people have had some event in there live that they may have no explanation for.

How many times have I hammered on this point? Lack of personal explanation does not equal mystical, magical nor supernatural. It only equals ignorance.

Looking back on those events declared supernatural that were later explained as more data came in; the inital assumptions made were universally wrong.


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Icelander]
    #4226653 - 05/27/05 01:15 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Once man thought that impossible, like running the 4 minute mile.

Sorry, but this does not apply even remotley.

Here you talking about degree of performance. Men were running 4:15 minute miles at the time and mankind had been running for millions of years.

It is not as if telepathy were 70% accurate and we are trying to get it to 75%. Telepathy only exists as anecdote and has never been demonstrated.


Believer: *wringing his hands* Please be more open-minded.

Skeptic: Please demonstrate to open my mind.

Believer: It is your lack of belief that prevents my demonstration.

Skeptic: It is your lack of ability that prevents your demonstration.

Believer: People once thought the world was flat.

Skeptic: *yawn*


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Swami]
    #4226735 - 05/27/05 01:29 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
Once man thought that impossible, like running the 4 minute mile.

Sorry, but this does not apply even remotley.

Here you talking about degree of performance. Men were running 4:15 minute miles at the time and mankind had been running for millions of years.

It is not as if telepathy were 70% accurate and we are trying to get it to 75%. Telepathy only exists as anecdote and has never been demonstrated.


Believer: *wringing his hands* Please be more open-minded.

Skeptic: Please demonstrate to open my mind.

Believer: It is your lack of belief that prevents my demonstration.

Skeptic: It is your lack of ability that prevents your demonstration.

Believer: People once thought the world was flat.

Skeptic: *yawn*



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It only equals ignorance.
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^^^^Only assuming you know everything.

As you can see from many of my posts I am not a true believer. Yet I will never close my mind because of my beliefs. "It's a done deal, I can't because it hasn't." I frankly do not know what is possible and what is not.

My point about the 4 minute mile is to illistrate how faith can be of some use to us. Once you believe it's possible, I didn't say probable, you are willing to try, the benefits of belief could be a more relaxed body. That the mind can influence the ability of the body is something medical science has just stared to acknowledge. They called many people nuts and quacks on this issue. Had they not persisted we would not have another tool for health.

You of course are preaching to the choir here Swami. But you put me in the box with all the "true believers". I have my own box.  :mushroom2:


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Icelander]
    #4226772 - 05/27/05 01:35 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

My point about the 4 minute mile is to illistrate how faith can be of some use to us.

Your point has no relevance in this issue. Refining training methods is not creating/discovering a new ability.


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Swami]
    #4226789 - 05/27/05 01:39 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
My point about the 4 minute mile is to illistrate how faith can be of some use to us.

Your point has no relevance in this issue. Refining training methods is not creating/discovering a new ability.




Fine drop it, My point remains the same. No one knows for sure, it's a best guess.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Edited by Icelander (05/27/05 01:40 PM)

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