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OfflinePhanTomCat
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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7457759 - 09/26/07 09:31 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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As a child, I had tolio... :rofl2:





:lol:  :lol:

Nice....!    :cool:

(Somehow I missed this post when it was posted....!?)


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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: Kinematics]
    #7457780 - 09/26/07 09:35 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't think it's really so important for other people to worry about what is true and what is not. I find the thing that holds legitimate meaning for its believer is what is truly important, over prove this or that's not so, et cetera.

If you want to trust in science and the truths it brings to you offer you meaning, then so be it. If there are people who find meaning in the truths of things unexplained by science, then so be it as well. :tongue2: What exactly, is the problem in that? :smile:




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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: Middleman]
    #7457787 - 09/26/07 09:36 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Kinematics said:
I don't think it's really so important for other people to worry about what is true and what is not. I find the thing that holds legitimate meaning for its believer is what is truly important, over prove this or that's not so, et cetera.

If you want to trust in science and the truths it brings to you offer you meaning, then so be it. If there are people who find meaning in the truths of things unexplained by science, then so be it as well. :tongue2: What exactly, is the problem in that? :smile:





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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: Kinematics]
    #7457798 - 09/26/07 09:38 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

from another thread, just thought I'd share my experience here:

Have you guys noticed any telepathy in the Hypnagogic State?

I was drifting off and heard the words "Go Outside!" in my head, and awoke to a door slam.

I asked my roomate, "Did you just say something?" He said, "No, I just put the dog out."
I said, "You didn't just say, "Go Outside!"?" He said, "No... but I THOUGHT IT." :psychsplit:


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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: Kinematics]
    #7458250 - 09/26/07 11:38 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Francis Crick, the man who discovered DNA, was high on LSD at the time, apparently after seeing double helix related visions as a result of taking the drug. Coincidence, or just magic man believer nonsense?





Let's ignore his degrees in molecular biology, neuro-science, and physics; his collaborators, his university and lab equipment access and his lifelong dedication to unlocking the key as having any relevance.


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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7458305 - 09/26/07 11:54 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Obviously Crick experienced telepathy with LSD. Oh wait...


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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: FocusHawaii]
    #7458545 - 09/27/07 01:19 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Good grief, I have too many stories to tell.

Something that happened just tonight is that before I went to work I stopped at Kroger's and decided to get a bottle of soda and a couple of rolls for a snack.  As I slid my debit card through and it asked if I wanted to take cash out, I thought, "Should I get bus money now or later?"  And then I thought, "Nahh, I bet somebody'll bring something to eat and I won't have to buy anything later."  So I took out some cash then.  As it turns out, we ordered four boxes of Domino's and a whole big crate of sodas.

But that's one of the sillier, more explainable ones.  I've had tons of experiences like that.  My dad has a sort of ability that my mom quaintly calls his "Holy Spirit pager" (yeah, I know, corny name) but basically if we need him home she'll just pray that he knows to get here (we haven't been able to afford cell phones yet).  One time it was real funny as my best friend invited me over to his house and we were saying, "I hope dad comes back soon to take us, because later might be too late."  Just a few minutes later he came through the door and said, "I felt like I was needed here to take somebody somewhere or something."  My best friend was awed.  And that just happens all the time.

This is similar to what someone else said.  One time when I was in high school or shortly thereafter I wanted to go to a show and my dad said I had to clean my room if I wanted to go.  So I worked on it even until after midnight and I eventually fell asleep.  What's strange is that during the night I saw him come in and say, "That's good enough, son.  I see you've been working on it, you can go."  The next morning I got up and was walking around and saw my dad, and he said, "Your room looks good enough, you can go."  I was shocked and said, "But didn't you say that last night?"  It was then (or maybe shortly before) that I realized I had seen him say that in a dream, and that's when he said, "No, but I walked in and thought it."  :whoa:

Then there's the prophetess me and sometimes my family and friends go to.  Basically she gives a prophecy to everyone who shows up at the meeting and it's always correct and what that person needs to hear.  I like to go from time to time when I need some clarity on how to direct my life, and everything she says always makes sense and mentions specific things that she would have no way of knowing.  In fact, she's barely recognized me ever, except for I think the last time I went.

Anyway, those are only a few examples.  It's just the way my life has basically always been.


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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7458748 - 09/27/07 03:33 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I remember reading a psychology study a while back that may have shown evidence that there might be some form of telepathy. Basically, one subject was made to lie in a chair in a quiet room with earmuffs on their ears and halved ping pong balls on their closed eyes, and another subject was put in another room and shown one of four cards. This subject was told to concentrate very hard on which card was being shown and transmitting that information to the person lying down in the next room. The subject that was lying down would then say which card they thought the other person had seen. They were right something like 26.3% of the time, which, based on the large number of people involved in the study was statistically significant. (i.e. IF the chance of guessing right was truly 25%, then there is a very small probability that this many people guessing this many times will be right 26.3% of the time) Therefore, it has been hypothesized that some other factor influenced the guessing so that the true probability of the subject guessing correctly was greater than 25%.

Before anyone gets excited, though, this is ONE study that has shown that something MAYBE MIGHT BE happening on a very mild level. I also haven't read any reports of anyone repeating the study.


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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: Exiztenzial]
    #7458760 - 09/27/07 03:47 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Oh, yes, I remember reading about that. I didn't remember any of the numbers, though. 26% seems pretty low to me to account for any kind of telepathy.

Actually, I think I'm remembering another experiment that either they did or that was conducted elsewhere in which they were shown random images on a screen and told to try to transmit them to the person in the next room. I'm not sure if the second person had seen the images beforehand or not, but it did appear to be successful some of the time. But whatever, those kinds of experiments are really kind of touch and go. I think there are far more precise ways they could have performed it than even that.

Anyway, one reason I believe telepathy isn't a very common phenomenon is that most people aren't of a pure enough mind. Someone remind me to explain that tomorrow, I'm far too tired tonight.


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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: stellar renegade]
    #7469063 - 09/30/07 02:51 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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stellar renegade said:
Oh, yes, I remember reading about that. I didn't remember any of the numbers, though. 26% seems pretty low to me to account for any kind of telepathy.





It's significant because of the number of people and number of trials involved in the experiment. Think of it this way: if you flipped a coin four times and it came up heads 3 out of 4, a 75% ratio, would you be surprised? Of course not, just because heads and tails have a 50% chance to come up over the long run doesn't mean that they will match that exactly in the short term.

Now imagine that you flip the same coin 10 million times, and it still comes up heads 75% of the time. Now you start to think something's up, because the odds of a fair coin giving 75% heads on 10 million tosses are astronomically low. The more reasonable conclusion is that the coin is rigged, i.e. that the true odds of getting heads on this particular coin are greater than 50%.

This is what is meant by statistical significance. The people should have been right 25% of the time, but a large enough number of people in a large enough number of trials were right 26% of the time that there is a very low chance (probably less than 5%) that the 26% instead of the 25% result came out without any outside influence.


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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: Kinematics]
    #7469090 - 09/30/07 03:27 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't think it's really so important for other people to worry about what is true and what is not. I find the thing that holds legitimate meaning for its believer is what is truly important, over prove this or that's not so, et cetera.

If you want to trust in science and the truths it brings to you offer you meaning, then so be it. If there are people who find meaning in the truths of things unexplained by science, then so be it as well. :tongue2: What exactly, is the problem in that? :smile:




The problems begin when they attain power.  I betcha 100% they will bring religion into politics and that would be end of freedom.


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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: Exiztenzial]
    #7469091 - 09/30/07 03:29 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Might be significant if the study could be duplicated.

What has often happened in these studies is that the allegedly 'successful' ones are published while the failed ones are not. This sort of data mining tells us nothing, which is why it is so important for other groups to replicate the results.

This has yet to happen.

Ever.

Which tells us what? (try Occam's Razor, people)

A. That there is likely no affect whatsoever.

B. That if we wish hard enough and keep manipulating data, we can remain in a child's fairyland where magic rules, and the laws of the physical universe responsible for every single one of your toys such as your computer and your stereo and your car, suddenly have been abandoned.

So many mystic-heads here decry science while communicating using the fruits of science, and beseech us to embrace telepathy, but do not communicate this important message telepathically to us. Does not this statement alone say all that needs to be said?

No way. The dreamers will yak for another 100,000 years about how the breakthrough is coming 'soon' if only we all believe... believe... believe...

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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7470258 - 09/30/07 12:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Your whole post is a strawman OC, try again.


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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7470343 - 09/30/07 12:46 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

The telepathic message you sent to me was: "Hey, you are a really funny and well-educated member, and my life was enriched for having known you."

And we all know that you cannot deny the experiences of another.


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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7470423 - 09/30/07 01:13 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

:rolleyes::bongload:


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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7471046 - 09/30/07 04:18 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Might be significant if the study could be duplicated.

What has often happened in these studies is that the allegedly 'successful' ones are published while the failed ones are not. This sort of data mining tells us nothing, which is why it is so important for other groups to replicate the results.

This has yet to happen.





I agree, that's why I specifically noted in my original post that I've never seen the study duplicated.


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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7471196 - 09/30/07 05:12 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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The telepathic message you sent to me was: "Hey, you are a really funny and well-educated member, and my life was enriched for having known you."





Sorry doood, that was me.... 
But, you left off the end part - "And please, take it easy on those BLT's....!"    :tongue:


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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7471273 - 09/30/07 05:45 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Everything you've said only proves what we already knew, nobody knows for certain!

You compare it to a trick, but thats like comparing anything to a trick. Reality as a whole could be a trick.

You clutch at straws guessing the mechanics of the unknown which leads to false conclusion.


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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: Ego Death]
    #7471278 - 09/30/07 05:47 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Whats wrong with leaving it as unknown? Why do we humans have to draw conclusion in the absence of evidence?


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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: Ego Death]
    #7471292 - 09/30/07 05:52 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Whats wrong with leaving it as unknown? Why do we humans have to draw conclusion in the absence of evidence?




The same reason religious folk draw conclusions. Answers in the face of the unknown. The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, nor vice versa. Hardcore skeptics and and fundamentalist religious are much more alike than either want to believe.


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