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Re: telepathy test [Re: Icelander]
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harmaline was first named telepathine, you can guess why. i will not post any report on personal experiences as if first thought i would, because i realized it is pointless. i wouldn't convince anyone of anything. all i can say is that for those interested in studying human potential for telepathy and eventually studying ways to develop such potential, harmaline is a good way to go.

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Re: telepathy test [Re: a_h_w]
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Thanks I will make the experiment. Hands on research is one of the most interesting and productive parts of science and spirituality. :cool: :thumbup: :heart:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: telepathy test [Re: a_h_w]
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Sure, eat a halicinogen before attempting to determine if your telephathy is real or imagined. Nothing wrong with that. Everyone can tell if the rivers in wood grain or the moving clouds are real or not when they're tripping.

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FYI, controlled studies searching for telepahy (tripping subjects, sober observers) have been done with subjects on harmaline and many other tryptamines, LSD, psilocybin, fill-in-the-blank.

Without exception, they all failed to detect any hint of telepathy.

We need an S&P FAQ.  :sad:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
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Kiljoy! :mad:

I still plan on conducting this experiment to validate these earlier studies. :mushroom2:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: telepathy test [Re: Icelander]
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Me too, just in case (and because I rarely pass up an oportunity to trip).  :smirk:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
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>We need an S&P FAQ.

Start one.

www.shroomery.org/wiki


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Grow Mushrooms from Spores - PF-Tek for Simple Minds

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Re: telepathy test [Re: Anno]
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You are naked! :P


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Disclaimer!?

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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
Sure, eat a halicinogen before attempting to determine if your telephathy is real or imagined. Nothing wrong with that. Everyone can tell if the rivers in wood grain or the moving clouds are real or not when they're tripping.




:grin: :grin:


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I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine

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Re: telepathy test [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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well, all I can say is that in my personal experience I was under the influence of hallucinogenic substances, but the other person was not, and actually until a certain point we were not even in the same room. furthermore the fact that this person experienced visions without having taken any substance is by itself a mesmerizing evidence that something happened. of course I'm not proving anything to anyone, just sharing experiences for whoever may find it useful.

what about dreams in which a person sees something that in the next day they find to have happened for real? what happened? can we explain it? should we deny it because we can't prove it?

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Re: telepathy test [Re: a_h_w]
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what about dreams in which a person sees something that in the next day they find to have happened for real? what happened?

What happened is they made claims of the dream after the fact, never before.

The Internet is full of stories of people who claimed they dreamed the events of 9/11 before they happened. However, not one single pre-9/11 post on a dated message board has ever turned up.

For that matter, you'd think with all the claimed mystics on the Shroomery that someone would have had a premonition of the single most important event in modern history. Do a search; you'll find lots of talk on 9/12, but nary a word on 9/10.

can we explain it?

Explain what? There is no evidence to examine or explain.

should we deny it because we can't prove it?

We should deny it because it cannot be detected.  :syringe:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: telepathy test [Re: a_h_w]
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In my experience harmaline only generates a hallucinogenic experience in conbination with orally ingested DMT. Harmaline alone just makes me shit, puke, and get sleepy.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: telepathy test [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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I will combine the best of both worlds and create yummy harmaline beer.  :thumbup: Twice the reason to puke and get sleepy.


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: telepathy test [Re: Swami]
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harmaline can be used with many other substances besides dmt. people usually think harmaline combined with shrooms equals a shroom high with doubled intensity, but this is not true. when combined with a small shroom dosage you can experience harmaline itself.

now about dreams:
there was a documentary the other day about a group of scientists that worked for nearly a decade trying to solve a problem of airplane crashes on landing that could not be solved.
one of the major stresses they had was that while they worked to get measures implemented accidents occur.
one night one of this scientists dreamed that another accident had happened. waking up in the morning he told his wife he was sure there had been another crash. when they checked the news it was true.

of course it is up to you to believe it or not.

"We should deny it because it cannot be detected"
wow... maybe we should deny dreams. after all, what evidence do we have other than subjective experience?

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Re: telepathy test [Re: a_h_w]
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waking up in the morning he told his wife he was sure there had been another crash. when they checked the news it was true.

And the thousand other dreams he told his wife that didn't come true were conveniently forgotten. If you roll the dice often enough, you will roll snake-eyes eventually.

This guy didn't happen to verifiably document his premonition, did he? I didn't think so.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
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A study of stats on plane and train crashes and boat sinkings over a 20 year period showed no cancellations or vacancies out of the ordinary as might be expected if premonitions were valid.


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
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You're nothing but a wannabe :rotfl:


Yes, it IS telepathy and no, its not testable!  :blush:  :ooo:

"HOW??? HOW CAN THIS POSSIBLY BE?" Screams Diploid.

Why, its elementary my dear Diploid!  How can you test something that you cannot consciously control?

I don't think that the calling process, as described works.  I have always found telepathy to be randomly inspired, i've never had concious control of it yet I am certain that I have experienced it and it is real telepathy.  No I don't have any proof either, so we may as well stop talking now. :lol:

If you are as open-minded as you think you are then
WHY could you not detect other possabilities???

This dualistic mindset limits you. :evil:

Edited by danoEoboy (06/21/05 10:40 AM)

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Re: telepathy test [Re: Ego Death]
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You're nothing but a wannabe

Ah yes, the familiar ad hominem. You cannot refute my argument, so in frustration you attack me instead.

How can you test something that you cannot consciously control?

Statistically.

As Swami pointed out, if premonitions were for real, then over the course of the 20 year study, there would be slightly more cancellations on flights destined to crash then on other flights.

The statistical analysis of flights over 20 years showed that the same number of cancellations occur on all flights, crashed or not.  :syringe:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
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Picking apart quote by quote - thats another Swarmi classic :rotfl:

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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
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Do you really want me to list all the assumptions and details you've overlooked that could make this NOT 100% true???

STILL, wheres that open mind you claim to have?

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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
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>>>Ah yes, the familiar ad hominem. You cannot refute my argument, so in frustration you attack me instead.


Actually I very CLEARLY refuted you're arguement.

Besides that was an observation not an AD Hom hence me not being banned for it!!!!

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