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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Tannis]
    #610866 - 04/17/02 12:33 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

So I'm a skeptic or a fool, huh.......so much for your posts NOT being a personal attack...
It is hardly personal if you read the ENTIRE statement, but you take it out of context so that you can feel all emotional. What would you call someone who 100% accepts every story that they are told? (which is what I posted.)

If calling someone a skeptic is a personal attack, why have you not brought that point up to other posters when I have been I have been called a skeptic? At least be consistent in your outrage.

mindless fool ?
Please do not do that. When I respond I use the posters EXACT words. Don't tell me what I insuate as that is mere interpretation and may or may not be true.

I've clearly stated that there is danger, and that operations of this nature can't be proven by logic...
I have never asked once how it works (the logic behind it) on this board. Demonstration, not logic, is what is asked for. If telepathy exists or skepticism has the power of a wrecking ball then it can be demonstrated. Why is that concept so hard to grasp?

So which is it; a powerful force (a wrecking ball) or a subtle force? Or do you want it both ways? Consistency please!



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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Tannis]
    #610901 - 04/17/02 01:04 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

We have had this entire conversation/debate, and no one has physically talked to each other, and most of us are hundreds and thousands of miles apart. If you had told this to someone a hundred years ago they would have told you that you are crazy.

I'm not saying that this conversation we are having right now IS telepathy.. but it's pretty damn close. My thoughts are not going straight into your mind, but rather I put my thoughts down and you read them. You don't have to read them, but you do. This is very different than actual TALKING, because none of us are actually talking to each other.. we are sharing our thoughts.

I know for a fact many people can write their thoughts much better than they can speak them. I am one of them. First you must recognize that no one here has verbally communicated on this thread. We have never met each other, and yet, we are sharing our deepest thoughts and philosophies. My theory is that the internet is preparing us for telepathic communication, because this is the closest thing we have right now that everyone can actually see and feel and use.


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OfflineTannis
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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: ]
    #610925 - 04/17/02 01:37 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Humm, interesting.............
.......you cause me again to think.............


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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: ]
    #610943 - 04/17/02 02:04 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Umm.. you are comparing a computer (physical technology) to brain waves and psychic phenomenom?
Ok, so I can't compare a computer to psychic phenomena...

I'm not saying that this conversation we are having right now IS telepathy.. but it's pretty damn close.
But wait, I can compare a computer to psychic phenomena...

Hard to keep up with your logic when it changes in just a few hours.

I'm not saying that this conversation we are having right now IS telepathy.. but it's pretty damn close.
As previously stated, the mechanics of the two modes of communication are entirely different, one using physics and the other using...? The internet does not portend telepathy, nor lay the foundation for it. The two are in no way even remotely related.

If you had told this to someone a hundred years ago they would have told you that you are crazy.
What do technological advances requiring huge infrastructures and breakthroughs in almost every field of science have to do with telepathy which requires zero technology nor infrastructure? An emotional state of disbelief or amazement is hardly a linking factor to the two by any stretching of logic.
Yes, in a hundred years we have created some outstanding forms of communication, but after a million years of possible telepathic communication, it still remains undemonstrable.




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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Swami]
    #610968 - 04/17/02 02:34 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks for not thinking of me as a mindless fool.

I haven't brought up the point about you being called the skeptic in other posts because I usually don't defend other posters.....I let them do that, which you do quite well. I've found that when I've attempted to defend another poster, they get upset and say that I don't understand what they are saying.

Demonstration....not logic......hummmm......I don't know how to do that in a post other than sharing my experiences and that's what I've attempted to do.......but this does involve the reader (you or anyone) to believe I am telling the straight up truth. I shared about the girl who was angry with me and confessed this. Then I told her it wasn't one time, but three, and then gave her the exact days and times that this occurred. I think that this is more than just coincidence. It spanned a Tuesday through Friday period of time and the girl and I had no contact during that time or on the weekend. And this brings up another aspect of "telepathy"......I didn't "attempt" to read her thoughts or to "do" anything. It just happened! I felt her anger, I felt it was unjust.....and this was while I was going about my daily tasks, not even thinking of her or of "psychic" abilities. The point being, how can I demonstrate something that just "happens" to me?

Is it a powerful force or subtle one? Both I guess with one affecting the other..........

Like I said, I don't fully understand but I share what I know. I didn't ask for this.....it just happens to me........


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Swami]
    #610969 - 04/17/02 02:35 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Ok, so I can't compare a computer to psychic phenomena...


You missed my point. You were saying that a primitive person will have no effect on a computer regardless of whether he believes in it or not. That's true.. but refer to my magnet analogy.

As previously stated, the mechanics of the two modes of communication are entirely different, one using physics and the other using...? The internet does not portend telepathy, nor lay the foundation for it. The two are in no way even remotely related.


That is your opinion

What do technological advances requiring huge infrastructures and breakthroughs in almost every field of science have to do with telepathy which requires zero technology nor infrastructure?

Telepathy requires breakthroughs in awareness and advances in consciousness. The same change, just in a different medium.


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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: ]
    #611150 - 04/17/02 06:16 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

That is your opinion
Thank you for your in-depth response showing the correlation between two disparate subjects.


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Anonymous

Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Swami]
    #611175 - 04/17/02 06:33 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Anytime


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: ]
    #611673 - 04/18/02 06:01 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

.........fun time.........me goes to cleanse a house where strange things take place.......then on to a new job...........mommy is calling.........catch "yawl" on the rebound.............

.......if this stuff doesn't work.......how come my life is so interesting?????????????????????
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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Jared]
    #9183242 - 11/04/08 03:40 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

yes it exists... don't think about it, just enjoy the journey to getting it.


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: staedtler]
    #9183348 - 11/04/08 04:05 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

No evidence of telepathy.:shrug: All tests have failed. But of course that won't convince many here.:monkeydance:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Icelander]
    #9183673 - 11/04/08 05:00 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
No evidence of telepathy.:shrug: All tests have failed. But of course that won't convince many here.:monkeydance:




You're missing something, this isn't giving you ecstasy... go back to the drawing board and be honest with every decision.


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: staedtler]
    #9183708 - 11/04/08 05:05 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

"You're missing something, this isn't giving you ecstasy... go back to the drawing board and be honest with every decision."

:etjesus:  deep man, deep. could you spell it out in language for us mere humans?


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Invisibleredgreenvines
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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: staedtler]
    #9183715 - 11/04/08 05:06 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

there is evidence for empathy
and lots of cases of a good sense of timing
timing-epathy probably underlies the most compelling instances of telepathy.


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Icelander]
    #9184878 - 11/04/08 08:10 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
No evidence of telepathy.:shrug: All tests have failed. But of course that won't convince many here.:monkeydance:




Disregarding how subjective and misleading the mind can be... when is witness testimony and personal experience enough? 

I can say that at my most absolutely insane point in my life, I experienced precognition multiple times, with multiple witnesses, AND did one of those "choose the correct card out of these 5" and got it right 6 out of 10 times, which is 156:1 chance.

Can I prove that to anyone except the people who witnessed it?  Nope.  Could I control it?  Nope.  Can I do it now?  Nope.  Has it happened in the two years or so since then?  Nope. 

These were events beyond pattern recognition, or delusions of reference, or any other explanation other than true psychic phenomenon. 

The point is, until there is absolute proof measurable under controlled conditions, that won't convince certain people, and that's find.  Some people need to know beyond a shadow of a doubt.  It's either black or white for some.

But keep in mind... Ice was cold before we had thermometers and freezers.


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Anonymous]
    #9186085 - 11/04/08 10:55 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Ive witnessed telekinesis first hand right in front of my face.  I will never forget it as long as I live.

I was at a club one night with a bunch of friends, celebrating my friends B-day.  One of her cousins was there that I had never met before.  Louie was his name.  Ill never forget it.  First he levitated a cigarette.  The thing was seriously just chillin in the air like a foot from my face.  Then he pulled out a deck of cards and had me pick one and inspect it.  Just a regular card.  So he puts it down on the table and places his left hand on the table about six inches to the left of the card.  Then with his right hand he began wiggling and jiggling his fingers above the card.  He then began to push at the card without touching it as if there was a buffer of energy or something.  After a few pushes, the card began to budge  and then it straight up slid across the table and jumped up into his left hand.  He did this twice right in front of my face.  There were no magnets or tricks.  Then he told my friend whos b-day it was to stick out her pointer finger and concentrate on feeling extreme heat in the tip.  He then took a penny that I inspected and bent it around her finger tip. I m not talking a small bend.  The thing was seriously bent in half.  Then he told me to try and rip the deck of cards in half.  Im a pretty strong guy,  like 6'1" 195 pounds been working out for ten years.  I didnt have a chance in hell of ripping that deck in half.  So Louie who was like 5'6" 145 pounds takes the deck and rips it in half right in front of me. 

You could see him actually starting to get drained as he was doing this stuff.  He would have to take breaks in between to let himself recover.

There were like 5 other people there that saw it too including my roommate.  Everybody was in awe and gitty as all hell.  There was a LOT of positive energy within our group and me and all my friends are very open minded about that stuff.  Ive actually used telekinesis in  lucid dreams many times.  I honestly didnt think I would ever see it.


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: postanaldrip]
    #9186091 - 11/04/08 10:57 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I would like to note before any skeptics ask,  I was completely sober at the time this happened.


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: jonathanseagull]
    #9187896 - 11/05/08 09:40 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Disregarding how subjective and misleading the mind can be... when is witness testimony and personal experience enough?


I do believe they have tested it in the lab many many times. Failure.

Any one can say they experience telepathy. In fact it's a favorite around here. It's nonsense really as far as I can tell. Wishful thinking of those who want power but have none.



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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Icelander]
    #9188612 - 11/05/08 11:59 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

It has already been scientifically proven through experiments that some animals, like dogs are telepathic.

I've had many experiences with it myself, and you can too by simply silencing your mind and learning to control your thoughts.. this world is way more mysterious and complex than you think. The biggest mistake I made in my life was thinking science had alread figured it all out, but it's still far away... science can't even explain gravity yet (except for "bending of space-time"..lol), how is it supposed to explain telepathy?

Think about it, how are you supposed to know which are your thoughts and which are the thoughts of someone else if you keep on talking to yourself inside your head nonstop? Impossible. It's like claiming sound doesn't exist when you have your fingers plugged in your ears... LOL.


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Re: Telepathy, eh... [Re: Diaboleros]
    #9188760 - 11/05/08 12:26 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

It has already been scientifically proven through experiments that some animals, like dogs are telepathic.


Sources please. Not that I don't believe you but I don't.

As a one time dog trainer and one who has owned many dogs I have found rational explanations for all their behaviors. They are much more observant and focused then most humans.


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