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What about ALL the other facts in WIKI that the professor failed to mention like her birthday, her first marriage, her place of birth, etc.?
Naturally you would STILL HAVE CONSIDERED IT A HIT if someone other than the professor had said a similar thing or if he had said it the next day or if he mentioned something else you recently read, but of course, this sort of 'data association and selection' is not in any way indicative of any paranormal activity.
THIS IS WHY ESP ALWAYS FAILS IN CONTROLLED SETTINGS! The ten thousand superfluous variables are removed.
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EternalCowabunga said: Why did they claim that dissociative disorders didn't exist? Is this what modern psychology actually believes?
This is what this particular teacher and her students all agreed on. They couldn't experientially understand what depersonalization, derealization, dissassociative identity, etc, would be like, so of course, it doesn't exist. The common "the limits of my experience and senses are the limits of reality" fallacy that is oh so common.
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I have also been through psychosis and the "coincidences" I experienced were really bizarre...
How about this one. Me and my girlfriend were both driving to work. We worked at a nuclear plant, which also had a turbine generator at a damn. She told me that one of her brother's friends that she also knew had drowned the previous night, but that's all she knew. She didn't know the location, nor did she tell me his name. So we are driving, and I forgot my iPod or something. So she went looking for cdr's, and there was one slid between the middle dashboard thing and the passenger seat. She pulls it out and puts it in the player. She starts skimming through songs, and the only song on it that we actually listened to was this Fido song. It was the one that Dr. Dre sampled for Eminem's song "Stan". So we listen to that and pull the cdr out. We get to work. I open my email and read a bulletin about a drowning that occurred near the damn. I call her and tell her to check it out. She does, and it turned out that his name was Stan, and when she finally said "Yep, that was my brother's friend Stan", it was too weird.
Obviously that could be seen as a huge reach, or a really strange coincidence. It doesn't seem so bewildering to me now, but at the time it was nuts. Random drowning, random cdr, random song listened to, all linked together.
May I ask what triggered your episodes though?
An ego-death experience that could have been okay, until my buddy asks the worst question possible to ask someone during a trip. "What's wrong, are you ok?" Which got me trying to figure out what was wrong, etc. I ended up with panic attacks, generalized anxiety (existential anxiety really), major depressive episode, derealization, depersonalization, and social anxiety (it brought out some "repressed" stuff from earlier in my life). That led to the most insane 6 months of my life, and I'm still recovering 3 years later. But the first 6 months were very hard.
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Addendum: this example also goes back to the part I mentioned about COMMON CULTURE. The professor was replaying something he had already been exposed to.
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They couldn't experientially understand what depersonalization, derealization, dissassociative identity, etc, would be like, so of course, it doesn't exist.
Nice strawman argument. 
I think we should all make irrelevant statements that are impossible to address as that really aids the flow of discussion.
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It's still pretty strange 
Another story: I was talking on MSN to a girl I hadn't seen in months, and she was working on Statistics homework. I mentioned to her how I hadn't seen her in a while... I said something like "So, statistics homework, huh? What do you think the chances are that I'll run in to you tomorrow?"
So she did the calculations and she came back with something like 0.009% or some outrageously small number like that.
And I come back with "well, in a world of infinite possibility, I believe that I WILL run into you tomorrow." The next day I leave a lecture and it's pouring rain, so I walk through the cafeteria - through some confusion, I ended up in a hallway I've never been in before and I was walking past some rooms when I noticed one room with a door about 3/4 closed. My curiosity suddenly peaked and I HAD to know what was behind the door - and there she was, at the end of the table, in a statistics tutorial.
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By the way, just to throw this out there, the whole Jon Edwards, Sylvia Brown type psychic ability is a gross misrepresentation from the true psychic experiences (note, I did not say ability) being taken very seriously by transpersonal psychiatrists such as Stanislov Grof, Carl Jung, etc, who truly are on the forefront of consciousness research. When you understand this, the whole conflict falls away, and you stop worrying about proving or disproving what is ultimately unprovable. You stop worrying about having everyone else conform to your views, and you are satisfied with your own experience. No need for validation or aggressive domination afterwards.
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They couldn't experientially understand what depersonalization, derealization, dissassociative identity, etc, would be like, so of course, it doesn't exist.
Nice strawman argument. 
I think we should all make irrelevant statements that are impossible to address as that really aids the flow of discussion.
Strawman? I'm pretty sure you weren't there. My statement was a basic paraphrasing of their own self-admitted reasoning. They thought the experience was too "out there", and thus, it was fringe and just a tool for criminals to claim an insanity defense.
I'm pretty sure you just strawmanned me.
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jonathanseagull, my experience was also triggered by ego loss. Very interesting. The first 6 months were very hard for me too.
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WE are having a discussion.
If a group of people SOMEWHERE ELSE in ANOTHER PLACE AND TIME were in error ABOUT ANOTHER SUBJECT entirely...
Sorry, THAT is a strawman. Look it up and understand the concept.
If you wish to DIRECTLY ADDRESS a point a poster made, then please do so.
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Running into someone you know within a relatively limited area is evidence of what, exactly?
How many students are there and how many people do you pass by each day? 500 out of 5000? If that is magical to you, then sobeit. It appears quite ordinary to me.
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OrgoneConclusion said: WE are having a discussion.
If a group of people SOMEWHERE ELSE in ANOTHER PLACE AND TIME were in error ABOUT ANOTHER SUBJECT entirely...
Sorry, THAT is a strawman. Look it up and understand the concept.
If you wish to DIRECTLY ADDRESS a point a poster made, then please do so.
You are 100% correct. WE are having a conversation. You are 100% incorrect that I did not address a poster (EternalCowabunga)
Let me remind the community about Diploid's stickied thread and the contents within...
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This is simply attempting to make the other person angry
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You have to see it in context, OC... the fact that I decided it was a good time to talk to her on MSN after not talking for a while, the fact that I intended on running into her after she said there was such a small chance, the statistics connection.
You're not looking at the synchronism of it all. Look at it from the context of my will, her will, our subconsciouses... instead of saying "well you could have opened the door, and seen nobody there, and then you wouldn't have a story to tell."
It's about how it happened, not how it could have happened differently making it meaningless.
As for how many students there are at my school, about 60,000 and the campus is huge, it's like a city within a city.
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instead of saying "well you could have opened the door, and seen nobody there, and then you wouldn't have a story to tell."
Why do you dicard this as irrelevent? Do you remember all the times you had a somewhat similar thing happening?
Once my family drove a long way to Cape Cod. While there we decided to look in on some friends unannounced. We found a note on their door that they were away on vacation. We left a note of our own that we stopped by.
We hung out on the beach for a few days and then headed back inland. On the drive home we all got into this fantasy scenario wherein our friends had simultaneously visited us and left a note on our door though we were some 300 miles apart. "Wouldn't that be the weirdest thing?" we all wondered. I got the chills down my neck. By the time we got home everyone was eager with major anticipation to find a note on the door.
There was nothing.
Ponder that for a moment. What does it mean?
Now, what if we had found a note? Our anticipatory emotions were at fever pitch either way. OUR MINDSTATE WOULD HAVE BEEN THE SAME: EITHER WAY!
Comprende?
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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: MushroomTrip]
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Yet, it can never be repeated in front of skeptics. 
Oh yeah? And whose fault is that? You skeptics and your bad karma!
Is it bad karma....? I think not.... All of the skeptics have banned together in one united seminar, and they all know about the raising the "Big Left Toe" technique of foiling all telepathy attempts.... 
If you ever here the code "BLT", they are NOT talking about a samich~.... 
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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: PhanTomCat]
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OMYFUCKINGGAWD!
I no kenna believe it, Captain.
You get ONE GUESS as to what I had for lunch today?
Way too weird, man.
*shmoopy runs screaming from the forum in a state of shock*
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If you know, you know. If you don't, well I'm sorry and I can't explain any further.
I used to go to Kansas to visit my grandparents, and we would go camping often at this lake. I was about 10-11 at this time. After a weekend of camping there on our way home, my grandma at random decided to turn around to go visit her brother, who lived about an hour away. On the way down, she mentioned to my grandpa, "Oh, we'll see my dad today." She couldn't figure out why she said it, but she did.
Anyway, we arrive at my grandma's brother's house, and she goes inside to find him dead. Would this be considered a random string of events, or was it a strange premonition on my grandmother's behalf? There are other things as well from my grandmother, she seems receptive to picking up odd signs or feelings from inside that have otherwise saved her from an accident or informing her about an important personal event.
The house I first lived in when I was born my parents used to always consider haunted, and as a child I remember hearing footsteps in the hallway and in my room on almost a nightly basis, which terrified me. After a few years we had moved out to another city, and when my mom was in the bathroom packing up some items, she suddenly stood up and looked at the mirror, right as she did the mirror cracked right in half.
None of this really has much to do with any sort of telepathy or ESP, but is just another example that there are things out there that cannot be explained, and just because it can't fit within someone's reality bubble, doesn't mean that it does not exist. The Earth wasn't flat until someone proved it was round. The Earth was always round, it was just finally discovered as fact. This also in my belief rings true for what we have all been talking about thus far. 
Here's the part where Orgone brushes off my post as bedtime stories or fabricated nonsense in order to benefit my point in the thread.
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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: Kinematics]
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Earth wasn't flat until someone proved it was round.
Interestingly enough, it was the scientific-minded who discovered the world was round and NOT the magical-thinkers.
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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: Kinematics]
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Kinematics said: I used to go to Kansas to visit my grandparents, and we would go camping often at this lake. I was about 10-11 at this time. After a weekend of camping there on our way home, my grandma at random decided to turn around to go visit her brother, who lived about an hour away. On the way down, she mentioned to my grandpa, "Oh, we'll see my dad today." She couldn't figure out why she said it, but she did.
Anyway, we arrive at my grandma's brother's house, and she goes inside to find him dead
Very recently, I had a dream about my immediate family and my grandparents. We were all swinging through trees on vines trying to escape something unidentified. Then one of us fell from the trees. That morning as I was dressing myself, I receive a phonecall from my mother saying that my grandfather fell out of his treestand, and broke his neck and back, and after 3 months in the hospital, he died.
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I must have caught you at a moment with all of your toes on the ground.....! 
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