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InvisibleSwami
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Shroomism's Telepathy Game
    #1450008 - 04/11/03 04:03 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Shroomism: Words only get you so far. If you want direct communication with no mis-interpretations, it's all about telepathy.

At a time of his choosing, he will send a telepathic message to all receptive shroomerites (no fair PMing!) NOT regarding aliens or the end-of-the-world.

Prior to this, he WILL PM the message to Mr. Mushrooms so as to have an impartial judge.

Those "hearing" this "direct communication" (which is BETTER than words!) will post the message that they received here. After all entries are in, we will do a comparison to measure the "clarity" of the transmission.

Of course, he may decline, but then I expect his statement to be recanted.

Swami out.


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1450045 - 04/11/03 04:11 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I'll be listening if he wants to do it


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Organic]
    #1450065 - 04/11/03 04:19 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Me too, although I'm afraid I've never known myself to be very telepathicly (that even a word?) receptive..


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Organic]
    #1450071 - 04/11/03 04:21 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

yeah, how do I listen? And when?

One thing though swami is that I think you might have to let him set the terms of the challenge (in a way you approve of) because your definition of telepathy and how it occurs could be different from his, so the way you've set this up so far may not be at all how he claims telepathy occurs.

Another thing is that if telepathy is better than language then how can you expect us to write down the telepathic message in words and compare? If you could just write down telepathic messages then we would do that already. I think that's kinda the point.. that telepathy is communication on a totally different level, so the only way we (the receptors) can verify our telepathic communication is by telepathically redirecting the message to mr mushrooms, and have him compare.


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Dogomush]
    #1450076 - 04/11/03 04:22 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

... and then he can telepathically send the results to you.


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1450078 - 04/11/03 04:22 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Shouldn't we all do shrooms in order to weaken our ego defences and raise our vibrational levels? :grin: 


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #1450085 - 04/11/03 04:25 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Hey swami.. I think you should have bet with someone that the aliens were gonna land. This way, if the aliens did land then you'd have ten grand to keep you on your feet in the post-apocalyptic world where casinos and investments won't exist anymore. If you lost the bet, then you'd still be fine, because that would mean that you could continue your business as usual with only a little debt to take care of.

Maybe you're losing that gambling edge?


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Dogomush]
    #1450097 - 04/11/03 04:28 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

also, shroomism never said that he could communicate telepathically in that quote, so... are you really proving anything?


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1450154 - 04/11/03 04:46 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

and as well, to note even shroomism himself has told me that he sees telepathy as subconcious. so i might have to be asleep to reveal the message or somehow tune myself in to hear him. if aliens did land you might not know about it. saying telepathy works doesnt mean that all will hear. you have to have valid recievers as well swamster.


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Dogomush]
    #1450317 - 04/11/03 05:50 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Hey swami.. I think you should have bet with someone that the aliens were gonna land.

This was already done with shroomism and my prescience tells me he will renege.


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1450340 - 04/11/03 06:01 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

What makes you think I want to prove something to you?

Anyway, telepathy virtually requires a close relationship. Emotionally open to each other, although this is not required, it makes a big difference.

I have and still continue to practice telepathy with a few close friends, and we do these sorts of tests all the time. If you would like to come east and be the neutral unbiased observer you are more than welcome. We are getting quite good.

Although I am wary of an online telepathy challenge, I will play along, though I do think that it will not be completely accurate. I would like to send the message to several shroomerites of my choosing, whom I feel I have formed a close online friendship with and share a common mindwave.

Of course my statement was not to prove telepathy is better than words, merely state that telepathy encompasses far more things than words can. Telepathy includes mental images, pictures, memories, words, emotions, feelings, basically anything you can imagine in your mind. It is direct mind-to-mind communication, and therefore many things transmitted telepathically cannot be described in words as was my point in the color thread. You cannot describe a color, but you can telepathically send a color.

Since I don't feel the need to prove anything to anyone, I will do this for fun. We will use colors, at first, since a telepathic bond must be made and they are easy to begin with. 8 basic colors. I will mentally project them one at a time, to an open and receptive audience who will record their first instincts. However I am not online more than once a week lately, so this will have to be next week sometime. I will have my list of recievers by then.


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Zero7a1]
    #1450356 - 04/11/03 06:08 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Also note Zero7a is right on. Telepathy according to me is completely a subconscious event, so I would like the recievers to be either in a deep meditative state, or some other form of subconscious focus, so as to recieve and remember clearly. Telepathy requires clarity on both sides, the sender and the reciever, which is why a close trusting relationship is vitally important, though not required. 

Also, change the name to Shroomism's Telepathy Game and I'm in  :cool:
Reason: I perform better under fun than under pressure

I will be back in a day or two with focus instructions for the recievers
We could mix it up a bit, and do a color alongside a message.


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Shroomism]
    #1450606 - 04/11/03 08:15 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

This should be neato


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Strumpling]
    #1450842 - 04/11/03 09:52 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I volunteer to listen.


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #1451803 - 04/12/03 06:10 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

If ya, want i will try and listen for your call. Some odd reason i don't think i will get it =)


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: GrowingVines]
    #1452255 - 04/12/03 01:32 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

What's the difference between Shroomism's Telepathy? and two (or more) people merely thinking on the same page?
If the subjects are close friends, does that not increase the chances of them being on the same page?

*patiently awaiting "transmission"*


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Game [Re: Swami]
    #1452453 - 04/12/03 02:41 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

A form of telepathy already exists. when one speaks, I hear their voice in my head. Over long distances we use telephone, and even when I read something, I hear the writer's thought in my mind.


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Game [Re: chodamunky]
    #1453419 - 04/12/03 09:12 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

yea telepathys real just not how you see it the movies(although anythings possible i dont think that anything like the TAKEN mini-if you can call it that-series will hapen in real life). when someone walks in a room and you have you back turned and you headphones on how come you can "feel" someone come in how could you know to turn to meet someone? i know this has happened to me several times.

there is even a biologist here in san antonio who is studying how and why this happens. i read the article in the news paper so it wasnt very specific kinda dumbed down for the "slower" readers i guess. anyways there are PLENTY of things out there that science just cant work out. and they never will unless people open up to the possibilities of such occurences happening. well im done ranting peace

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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Shroomism]
    #1453840 - 04/13/03 12:27 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)


"Those "hearing" this "direct communication" (which is BETTER than words!) will post the message that they received here. After all entries are in, we will do a comparison to measure the "clarity" of the transmission. "

Shroomism would have to be a pretty powerful psion to broadcast a message that far. i may be wrong but, its harder to do longer range telepathy unless its remote view.





"Shouldn't we all do shrooms in order to weaken our ego defences and raise our vibrational levels? "

I like that quote, it may work, but i have no shrooms :frown:




"Telepathy according to me is completely a subconscious event, so I would like the recievers to be either in a deep meditative state, or some other form of subconscious focus, so as to recieve and remember clearly."

Some are better recieving, some are better at projecting. Its going to be interesting to see, who will get it. Personally i have only experienced prenomitions, and maybe that time when the cat (may have been telepathic, it wasn't words, just a feeling, that translated in to a meaning)but i have never though i was telepathic or a psychic for that matter.


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: johnnyfive]
    #1453852 - 04/13/03 12:37 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

hey man werent you working on the psiballs awhile back?? how are you doing with them? i started playing with the little pinwheel. peace

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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: blaze2]
    #1459780 - 04/15/03 10:54 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

*bump* for Shroomism. We're waiting on that list and instructions man. I hope you didn't bail out on us considering your last post


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Organic]
    #1463107 - 04/16/03 08:20 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

We are all capeble of being telepathic. We are able to send and recieve thoughts, feelings and all that stuff all the time to all the stuff around us. And a lot of people actually do, without knowing. That explains why controlled telepathy isnt as easy as it sounds in these times. To be able to send or recieve, you need to be able to filter out the bullshit and stuff people throw around. Their is a lot of bullshit going arround, since most people arent conciouss of their capebilities yet, and so the spiritual world is a mess, through which it seems thoughts and feeling occur radomly, which they do becouse people are using it without knowing. Becouse of this ignorence, people tend to close their minds to the spiritual world and become materialistic, trying to find order in their thoughts and feeling by binding them to what can be more easily percieved. Its like not using a computer becouse you dont know how to and use your fingers to count and stuff..
The only reason telepathy tends to be subconscious, is becouse we pushed it in there.
Most people are not aware that they are able to have control in the spiritual world. This also explains why people can get schizo and stuff, they are opened to a world which other people fuck up becouse of their ignorance to it. If youre not aware of this while opened to this world, your mind gets fucked-up, just like being to inteligent can fuck you up, you cant understand others are not aware of what your consciouss of, and dont know how to percieve it since their most people live in surroundings were their is no guidence for the spiritual world.


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Organic]
    #1467202 - 04/17/03 02:26 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry guys gonna have to take a rain check.. going through a really hard time in my life right now... busy as hell lately, lots of shit going on.. and I don't have internet access.. I'm at the library right now. We'll try this in a month or so.


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Shroomism]
    #1467690 - 04/17/03 05:00 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah... hopefully by then we'll all forget about this aborted test.
Well, everyone but Swami will forget about it anyway....




Why don't you just admit it's all bullshit and save us the suspense?


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: blaze2]
    #1468960 - 04/18/03 01:22 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

there's a post im working on (about psi-balls and my life); ill post it in the next couple weeks, due to the fact that i need more time to analzye, i guess.



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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Sclorch]
    #1469690 - 04/18/03 10:16 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Don't be an ass, Sclorch. I'm dead serious about this and I really am having a rough time right now, and not in the mood for playing games. So back off.


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Divine_Madness]
    #1469752 - 04/18/03 10:53 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

And a lot of people actually do, without knowing. That explains why controlled telepathy isnt as easy as it sounds in these times. To be able to send or recieve, you need to be able to filter out the bullshit and stuff people throw around. Their is a lot of bullshit going arround, since most people arent conciouss of their capebilities yet, and so the spiritual world is a mess, through which it seems thoughts and feeling occur radomly, which they do becouse people are using it without knowing.

This statement is in direct conflict with shroomism's statement that: "If you want direct communication with no mis-interpretations, it's all about telepathy. "

So which is it; clarity or confusion? You guys need to sort that out.


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1471759 - 04/18/03 11:44 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Why is everyone aginst shroomism?


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Game [Re: Swami]
    #1471831 - 04/19/03 12:17 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

what if words can not communicate properly his message?


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1471837 - 04/19/03 12:20 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

and why is this thread not called swamis telepathy "game" (its all games isnt it swami"


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: johnnyfive]
    #1471861 - 04/19/03 12:27 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Define telepathy, Swami.If you're proposing such a game, you should understand the concept that is being tested.
Do you believe telepathy is any sort of communication that is not spoken word?
Because, technically, there are many forms of communication.
Sign language.
The written word.
Computer language.
Chemical transfers between ants.
Even smells (with certain animals..such as a skunk.)
I can go on and on, but I am giving you the benefit of the doubt, and believing you get the idea.
So how much does it take for you to realize that we don't even BEGIN to know the many ways of which communication is passed? There could even be such tiny transmitted forces that come from us, that we can not pick up with our normal senses. The body doesn't tell our consciousness *every* intricate detail of whats going on in the body, or OUTSIDE OF IT, for that matter. I think shrooms prove that quite well enough.

But basically, there are just too many complicated ways of communication out there and within us to understand or prove it all.
Personally, I don't think shroomism is as good at 'mindwave transfer' (what you are obviously thinking of as telepathy) as you believe.
I know for fact there are many times throughout my day that I know what someone is about to say or do right before they do it, WITHOUT taking notice of my usual senses. ie I didn't sense anything visual, with odor, with sound, with prior spoken word, or with a sign above the persons head saying "HEY THIS PERSON IS JUST ABOUT TO..."


And I know for a fact you have these experiences too, Swami. Everyone does.

It's just something we naturally do and can't understand and some are better naturally than others. Some learn to tune their natural abilities better with use..simple enough.


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: ]
    #1479021 - 04/21/03 02:45 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Good words.

I intend on completing this little experiment, once I have the time. As it is now I do not have reliable internet access so it will have to wait until I do.

I think the best way to do this would be through a chat room, designated during a certain time. Everyone would meet up there, 'clear' the energies, and I would send my word or color to Mr. Mushrooms through message, then tell the room I was sending the message, and allow them to clear their minds and become impressionable to instinctual feelings. They would record their first impulse, and send it to Mr Mushrooms, or whoever the middle man is, via private message or similar. Then at the end, the middle man could compare the actual words and colors to those recorded by the 'guessers'. We could then figure out the odds and calculate accordingly.


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: johnnyfive]
    #1479278 - 04/21/03 04:41 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Why is everyone aginst shroomism?

Everyone?!

I am not "aginst" him, but hate seeing false claims made here time after time. To date (over 3 years), every paranormal claimant has failed even the most basic proposed test or experiment. PERIOD.

Even the "believers" who may rant and rave about why said experiment did NOT work, cannot point to a single experiment on this forum that DID work. Oh yes, they will dredge up weird internet sites and personal anecdotes, but every single Swami Challenge has been met with either disinterest or TOTAL failure.

Comprende?



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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: ]
    #1479290 - 04/21/03 04:46 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Define telepathy, Swami.
No need to. Webster does a fine job, look it up.

But basically, there are just too many complicated ways of communication out there and within us to understand or prove it all.
So telepathy exists, but cannot be proven. How convenient!

Some learn to tune their natural abilities better with use..simple enough.
Where are these people? Why do they fail the Swami Challenge? Why do they not take Randi's $1,000,000?

Let me guess using my psychic prowess: because they cannot demonstrate such ability.



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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1479605 - 04/21/03 06:42 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

How often do you trip shrooms?


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Murex]
    #1479817 - 04/21/03 07:53 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Relevance?


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1479984 - 04/21/03 08:44 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Damm man your bitting everyone's head off. lol

If the psyhic tests don't work, i say give it time(4th d). Try the experiments next year!


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: johnnyfive]
    #1480043 - 04/21/03 08:58 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

your bitting everyone's head off.

That is just the Mantid in me...


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1481280 - 04/22/03 03:28 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Swami, I'm interested as well man.... It may not be relevant, but how often to you trip?


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Strumpling]
    #1484055 - 04/22/03 10:22 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

swami brings up good points. I like his style... how often do you trip on mushrooms? I want to know because if you don't regularly, well, then does your opinion really count? Joking..


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Dogomush]
    #1484422 - 04/22/03 11:52 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

"No need to. Webster does a fine job, look it up."

The reason I asked was not to know the answer, but to see if you knew or had any idea of what telepathy is. Obviously you're not capable of sharing what you know about it. Don't you have a broad and well put explanation for telepathy? since you did happen to look it up in the dictionary before.
Or are you afraid you'll only show your lack of intel on the subject?
That would be my guess, since you also didn't respond or argue to much of the points made in my post. You only break it down into mere independent sentences that you can use a sarcastic response to.

"So telepathy exists, but cannot be proven. How convenient!"

Or perhaps, our technology just isn't capable of explaining or proving it yet? Did that even cross that great skeptical mind of yours? With time, science grows from theory to fact. And that is a fact. Especially when it comes to things so complex like the brain and mind. Theres so much we don't know Swami, learning is never a convenient experience. You never learn though, you only stay within your own beliefs, only arguing others.

"Where are these people? Why do they fail the Swami Challenge? Why do they not take Randi's $1,000,000?"

These people are all over. I thought we already discussed the fact that it can't be proven, and that it is not convenient. Let's progress the debate a little here buddy.

"Let me guess using my psychic prowess: because they cannot demonstrate such ability."

Again, you refer to the same subject. But this time you used your pyschic prowess to see the truth though. Go you.
And if it needs to be said one more time for you Swami, we can not prove these theories yet. We can only provide elaborate explanations for what people experience. You may choose not to believe these people, thats on you.

But my main question for you is, what force is involved in knowing what someone is thinking or knowing what they are about to do before they do it?
Oh what's that? you don't have a proven answer?
How convenient!


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: ]
    #1484543 - 04/23/03 12:30 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

*Disregards endless number of personalizations so typical of believers...*


These people are all over. I thought we already discussed the fact that it can't be proven...

You know these people are all over through what means if it can't be proven?


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1484788 - 04/23/03 01:43 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Shroomism already set the statement that it's between those who are closely connected, and under particular circumstances. If those circumstances do not overlap yours, what does it matter to you? And the use of the words and phrases "seems" "as if" "in my perception" and the like will work wonders for you.

Your inquisition was cute at first.


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: valour]
    #1484840 - 04/23/03 01:59 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Shroomism already set the statement that it's between those who are closely connected,

Uh huh, other than the extremely rare and highly dubious anecdote, people cannot even tell when a loved one has died at a distance.


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1484873 - 04/23/03 02:09 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

*shrug* I don't necessarily believe in telepathy, or that Shroomism can do it, or whatever, but it just seems that you're out to be belligerent (and I'll save you the trouble of saying "if people can't handle honesty, that's their problem" ). Maybe he's lying, maybe he's delusional, maybe he's just mistaken, maybe it's something different but outlandish (zB. aliens are slicing parts of his brain off and inserting them into other people while they sleep) -

Your statement "people can't tell if a loved one has died" -- but some people say they did or can -- which is something pretty much impractical to try to reproduce in lab conditions. I tend to be skeptical of such claims as well, but if it gives them a measure of comfort and doesn't harm anyone else, good for them. If thinking there's a white cloudy heaven helps some people cope with life and its troubles, well, one must do what one must. The only issue comes in when those same clouds are used to violate others' rights.


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: valour]
    #1484973 - 04/23/03 02:31 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

...but some people say they did or can -- which is something pretty much impractical to try to reproduce in lab conditions.

The word "lab" was never mentioned (although it has been alluded to in numerous responses in previous threads as if I said it) It appears to conjure the image of a brightly lit room with men in white coats and pocket protectors, but I digress...

Every day people are missing and /or kidnapped; many of these cases are made public by the media. Yet the families do not have a clue as to their whereabouts nor state of vitality.

If telepathic communication was so "clear" these victims would be able to help authorities find them through messages to their relatives, but such is NOT the case.


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1485151 - 04/23/03 04:13 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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If telepathic communication was so "clear" these victims would be able to help authorities find them through messages to their relatives, but such is NOT the case.
 
 




your right its not that clear.  i know that shroomism said that the only true and clear way to speak to each other is through telepathy and all that, but i dissagree.  sorry shroomism.  what dustin was saying was that there are slight and unexplainable "communications" between people.  have you never "felt" the presence of someone else in the room with and turned around to find out there was someone there?  if you haven't then id be surprised, most people have had this or a similar experiance. 

now i tend to be skeptical of everything but the FACT remains that there are events going on everyday(not just telepathy)  that science at its current state isnt able to examine or explain.  some of what shroomism says is a more than a little bit crazy like all this planet shifting dimensions and all that.  and that probly has something to do with why you cant accept ANYTHING he says.  like the boy crying wolf. 

remember that just cause there is no proof doesnt mean it cant exist it just means that at this point its unexplained.  humans havent gotten where they are by just simply rejecting everything without evidence.  our science progress BECAUSE we can make that leap of faith.  but skeptics have their place to balance out the far fetched believers.  and too much skepticism is NOT a good thing it hinders. 

i bet this will get chopped up into little pieces so you can make your snide remarks.  if you do that feel free to correct any spelling mistakes or grammer you might see im not very good at writing.  peace

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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: blaze2]
    #1485156 - 04/23/03 04:14 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

wow why did it come up all bold? oh well im too lazy to fix it.


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: blaze2]
    #1485181 - 04/23/03 04:33 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

wouldn't posting another post to say you're too lazy to edit your post be just as much work as editing your post?


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Dogomush]
    #1485193 - 04/23/03 04:41 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

no because im on 56k and it would take awhile for the edit page to load when i can just use the quick reply thingy down here. before this thing i probly wouldnt have replyed to you right now. my comp is incredibly slow. peace

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EDIT: damn i just had to edit this message guess im not as lazy as i thought.


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: blaze2]
    #1485202 - 04/23/03 04:50 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

not to mention you posted a 2nd reply to my post.. and now you are going to come back to read what I just posted and find that I'm going to point out how here you are again wasting even more time reading a post by me all because you didn't edit your first post. I'm telepathically telling you not to come back to check the post, though, so we'll see if you come back or not.


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1485710 - 04/23/03 12:23 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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And a lot of people actually do, without knowing. That explains why controlled telepathy isnt as easy as it sounds in these times. To be able to send or recieve, you need to be able to filter out the bullshit and stuff people throw around. Their is a lot of bullshit going arround, since most people arent conciouss of their capebilities yet, and so the spiritual world is a mess, through which it seems thoughts and feeling occur radomly, which they do becouse people are using it without knowing.

This statement is in direct conflict with shroomism's statement that: "If you want direct communication with no mis-interpretations, it's all about telepathy. "

So which is it; clarity or confusion? You guys need to sort that out.





Well, if you get skillful enough..?
But I havent said anywere that I agreed with what shroomism has said..

Furthermore. Skeptics also practice spiritual powers, just like anyone. So, its not only telepathy which we can fuck up. Actually, the fact that their isnt any scientific proof of the excistence of paranormal powers, can be used to proof the excistence of paranormal powers. I know it sounds wicked, but those hard edged skeptics are just so strong in their believes of the non-excistence of psychic powers that they succeed to just use (unconsiously, probably) their own psychic powers to overpower any psychic ability of those that try to prove their powers. The fact that you, swami, havent had any spirtual experiences (you havent, right?) just proves that your spiritual strength is strong enough to disprove itselve, you use it against itself.


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1485866 - 04/23/03 01:23 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

If telepathic communication was so "clear" these victims would be able to help authorities find them through messages to their relatives, but such is NOT the case.

Telepathy needs to be developed, before it can be clear. No use or practice of such ability, would obviously lead to nothing. It is a natural ability, in higher states of consciousness, and every human has the ability to use it, just like every human has the ability to play Bach on the piano. That doesn't mean that everyone will try and play the piano, or even think about it.

If you never played backgammon would you think that you couldn't do it?

It is an ability, that needs practice and use to have any validity, just like everything else. You don't start talking the second you are born, you learn to talk.

Now if telepathy was a widely researched topic, heavily covered by the media, and there were many hundreds of schools and such dedicated to teaching and practicing telepathy, then yes, families would use it to find their lost loved ones. Since it is hardly researched or experimented with, their will be very little progress and use in the mainstream until such.


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1485894 - 04/23/03 01:38 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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*Disregards endless number of personalizations so typical of believers...*







Easy Swamster. I read all your posts in this thread and a distinctive tone is present in them. Your comment is personal while dustin's were not.

And Shroomism is having real personal difficulties at this time in his life. Now isn't the time for a "Swami Challenge".

Capish?


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: ]
    #1486004 - 04/23/03 02:20 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Ow, shroomism, couldnt it actually might be the case that your roommate was just jokingly acting like being hit by your psyball?


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: ]
    #1486056 - 04/23/03 02:34 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Your comment is personal while dustin's were not.

Obviously you're not capable...
OK. No personalization there.

Or are you afraid you'll only show your lack of intel on the subject?
No personalization there.

Did that even cross that great skeptical mind of yours?
Nope. Not there either.

You never learn though...
Gee, how could I possibly take that as personal?

My Comment: *Disregards endless number of personalizations so typical of believers...*

This is a generalization for the semantically inclined, not a personalization (besides being true!)

*Swami bans himself for 30 days for improper "tone".*

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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1486120 - 04/23/03 02:47 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Bye Bro. :smile:

I will hold you to this.

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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: ]
    #1486268 - 04/23/03 03:29 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Wow M_M... you've just made this place less intelligent.

Good job.


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Sclorch]
    #1486292 - 04/23/03 03:35 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Actually it was Swami that did that.  He decided to leave instead of alter his behavior.  I hope when he comes back he will think twice about baiting.  I will miss him greatly but I cannot show favoritism, even for close friends. :frown:

Let's not sidetrack this into a scrutiny of moderator action though.  I would hate to have to close this thread.

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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: ]
    #1486315 - 04/23/03 03:42 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I will have you all know that I do still intend on proceeding with this experiment...but I cannot until I have a reliable internet connection..because as of right now, I can only get online at a friends house or at the library, so I cannot make a set date for this until I can get online whenever I want. Keep in mind I am not doing this for the challenge, or to prove anything.

On a side note though, I am hoping to make it to the gathering in Ohio, where I will hopefully meet lots of Shroomerites, and we can conduct a test there, which in my opinion would be much better, because we can get to know each other personally and emotionally a bit before we proceed.


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Shroomism]
    #1486483 - 04/23/03 04:33 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I'll be there, and I'd love to see (if not be involved) in some kind of demonstration  :smile:


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1486607 - 04/23/03 05:00 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Swami, how about this one?

Not too long ago you had a pre-monition/pre-cognition (what ever its called).

1) Do you believe that seeing the future is real or what was that, that happened to you in the car that one day?

2) If you believe that seeing the future is real, why isn't telepathy real?


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Shroomism]
    #1486652 - 04/23/03 05:15 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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Telepathy needs to be developed, before it can be clear. No use or practice of such ability, would obviously lead to nothing. It is a natural ability, in higher states of consciousness, and every human has the ability to use it, just like every human has the ability to play Bach on the piano




I like that statment, here's a dream i had last night.

I was in psionic combat with a mini-bobby hill doll. This doll was shooting the ground with ice, fire, and wind. I was there and for some reason i was trying to put out the fire with my own dream abilitys. He fired a fire beam at the ground, i said "Ice beam" to neturalize the fire on the ground. He gathered the winds, and tryed to blow me away, but i said (something, i forget), and i calmed the winds. He shot ice everywhere; then i used fire to neturalize that. Then i look over to someone and said "are you good with telekinesis". So i tryed to grap the doll with my mind, but i couldn't get the mind-to-move-matter to work. So i just grabbed him, and then i was moving super fast like Jet Li in the movie "The One" I played hacky sack with him, but when i kicked the doll, i ended up kicking him so hard that he was bouncing all over the place. I slowed time down, the kick him around the place; it was perfect, i was perfect.


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Shroomism]
    #1487712 - 04/24/03 12:16 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I love you Shroomism. If I can help you in any way you know I will.

I really hope to meet you on June 6th.

Be well my Brother.


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    #1487802 - 04/24/03 12:52 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

What is this gathering?


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: chunder]
    #1488879 - 04/24/03 11:42 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

There is a sticky thread about it in the Gathering forum. It is near Cleveland Ohio and there will be about 60 or 70 people there.

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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: johnnyfive]
    #1489454 - 04/24/03 02:45 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I should have posted this under the daily dream post

Its funny i could shoot fire, ice, and calm winds, but i couldn't do teleknesis.


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Shroomism]
    #1521151 - 05/05/03 04:30 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

*bump*

Just keeping this in circulation...

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